Thread: Aside From Global Warming

Global warming. Not everyone seems to agree on that. Personally, I think there is enough proof that burning fossil fuels enhances the greenhouse gas effect.

But aside form global warming, there are a lot of other man-made problems with the environment. Deforestation, over-fishing, toxic chemicals needlessly dumped in the open, industrial farming, and yet everyone is still arguing wether glabal warming is hapening or not. And even then, we can see that we are polluting the atmosphere without needing to prove it scientifically. Smog is proof, and in downtown big cities, you can usually smell the fumes.

So why don't we just try to clear up anyways, even if we don't agree over global warming. Why don't we try to stop over-fishing and deforestation, industrial farming and chemical dumps? And if clearing all that up doesn't change anything, then fine, I will admit that there was nothing wrong. But it seems that the experiment I am proposing here can only be for the best.

I agree global warming exists, and that burning fossil fuels increases it but NOT that it is the sole cause. As for the rest, it's simple, most humans are short sighted and rarely think of future generations. Nor do they think outside their own greedy little pockets full of cash.

To put it bluntly, most humans just don't care about tomorrow until it comes. It's a lack of common sense, and cause and effect perception. This is why people rebuild cities over major disaster areas, as opposed to in ancient times when people were smart enough to never rebuild over disaster areas (well, not always)! Woo-hoo!

Now if humans were to actually care about tomorrow, and the environment, I can say that there would be quite a ton of remodling done. Unfortunately people are too busy with their lives, beliefs, etc, to even consider working together. Contrary to popular belief, all countries in the world are not on the same side. This is why the UN isn't doing so great. If they were, lets just say there would be a nice gigantic reformation. Unfortunately for the human race, they're not.

Yes. Which is why we need to convince those dunces that the world is not as great as it looks. But you see, we need an argument that non-global warmists can agree with. And that argument is the one I posted. The environment is messed up enough.

No, see, that's where you think that the human race can actually be convinced. They can't. You'll always have a *TON* of buisinesses making more money off of poluting the earth than there would be helping it. That argument above is too brief, doesn't have half a zillion statistics and sources, etc, required to convince even an environmentalist. It would require a lengthy five year long proccess of data gathering, source citing, interviews, etc, to even START to develop a super strong argument.

Also, environmentalists tend to fight for *the wrong thing*. For example, the cutting of trees. If we plant two trees for every one we cut down, where is the issue now? And why are you using non-recycled paper and loading the whole town with flyers thus DAMAGING the environment more? The list goes on for quite a while, really. Environmentalists need to get their ducks in a row, and people need to start developing stuff that even an idiot can't ignore. unfortunately nobody has thus far, and I highly doubt they ever will. Especially if certain conspiracies are correct and big buisinesses succeed in *paying off* certain parties (which I wouldn't DOUBT).

Ah, but that is a fraction of the argument I have. Anyways, the only way we can convince the above-mentioned dunces is through the beliefs of Karl Marx. Violent revolution. Sorry, but it seems the rules need to be broken just this once.

Ah yes, smart, turn to violence. That has helped the world continually! Not. the only time it HAS helped was in more ancient cultures where revolutions *had* to take place for change to happen. Japan, for instance. In the USA, however, such a revolution couldn't happen. Bombs, military, guns, and nobody willing to get off their fat asses. DEMOCRACY holds no meaning when it comes to idiots, since the idiots are the ruling party. Violence, however, wouldn't work either.

Regardless, post your whole argument if you wish to continue this.

global warming is bullshit.

what we humans have done in hundreds of years can nature do in minutes. there is on the southern hemisphere things called methaneice. Its somekinda ice filled with methane, if that methane would bubble up, by a earthquake or what ever, the global warming we have done will be like peeing into the ocean. hey i think i´ll take a hammer, a diving suit go down and craack up some ice, i want it hotter

Fine, Zelos. But the Earth is still quite polluted. I also am starting to get skeptic about global warming, but I still blieve that we are polluting the planet, which is destroying ecosystems, humans, and life overall.

We are most certainly making it harder for most other organisms living on this planet but are we really making it harder for ourselves? I mean deforestation, extiction of animals etc will all play a huge part in the world's environment but i think that it is much more stable than we think.

For Beauty's sake i believe that pollution, deforestation etc is terrible but i doubt we will be overly affected by it. After-all organims can adapt, and have had a history of it too. We might just adapt to all these problems.

But we can't adapt that fast. Evolution takes millions of years, I will remind you. For you could say: why didn't the dinosaurs adapt to their new surroundings? Because they didn't have time! Same with us. We don't have time.

Also, we are making nature do what it had planned to do in perhaps a million years, and by then, perhaps it would have made some species evolve enough to survive the period of increased carbon dioxide and methane. But there is plain evidence that what we are doing is harming the environment: species have not evolved enough to survive these conditions yet. So, I ask again, why don't we let nature do what it had planned, instead of ruining it?