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    Being a thread devoted to disadvantages of terrestrial life for humans.

    1.) too much gravity

    2.) earthquakes/tsunamis/storms/floods/droughts

    3.) diseases and parasites- in a world built to order in space, such abominations would be excluded for obvious reasons


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    3.) diseases and parasites- in a world built to order in space, such abominations would be excluded for obvious reasons
    We'll carry them with us for sure.


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    if i had been given choice to live in either water or on land , i would have chosen water.
    most stable ecosystem,
    it produces over 90% of O2 used by animals.
    greatest diversity of animals.
    streamlined body cause less loss of energy.
    no earthquake /floods etc
    plenty of food
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    3.) diseases and parasites- in a world built to order in space, such abominations would be excluded for obvious reasons
    We'll carry them with us for sure.
    How so? Mosquitoes do not weigh much, but still. Probably no effort will be made to bring these aloft and more will be expended to prevent their exportation to space habitats. Any candidate for emigration to same could be required to submit to screening, plus treatment for observed condition as practical. For God's sake, there is still a required blood test for MATRIMONY in certain jurisdictions, in the name of disease prevention. Also sick persons would be less likely as a rule to venture away from sophisticated medical care, which would take time to arrange in space.

    Why are blood tests mandatory before you get married?
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    Mosquitoes aren't diseases or parasites. The best we'll be able to do is a full physical..and even then there will be trade and transportation for other reasons if our space colony is successful and plenty of opportunities for disease and parasites to slip through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Finger Prince View Post
    Being a thread devoted to disadvantages of terrestrial life for humans.

    1.) too much gravity
    Unfortunately our physiology is adapted to that gravity. So much so that extended periods of weightlessness cause astronauts to lose bone mass. If it goes too far it can become very dangerous, as their bones get increasingly brittle.


    2.) earthquakes/tsunamis/storms/floods/droughts
    Pebbles flying around at near relativistic speeds, cosmic rays, radiation...... supernova events that cause massive temporary spikes in said cosmic rays and radiation....



    3.) diseases and parasites- in a world built to order in space, such abominations would be excluded for obvious reasons
    The possibility of encountering new microbes the human body has never encountered before, and which it accordingly has no immune resistance against whatsoever....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Mosquitoes aren't diseases or parasites. The best we'll be able to do is a full physical..and even then there will be trade and transportation for other reasons if our space colony is successful and plenty of opportunities for disease and parasites to slip through.
    Mosquitoes ARE parasites, they suck blood, at least females do. They are disease vectors for pathogenic organisms. Other examples are Tstse fly and louse. You begin with inaccurate statement and end with assumption, esteemed moderator, but thank you for your interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post

    Unfortunately our physiology is adapted to that gravity. So much so that extended periods of weightlessness cause astronauts to lose bone mass. If it goes too far it can become very dangerous, as their bones get increasingly brittle.

    Is true. Is also true that in space we can have more or less gravity as desired relatively easily by simple expedient of spinning habitat.

    Pebbles flying around at near relativistic speeds, cosmic rays, radiation...... supernova events that cause massive temporary spikes in said cosmic rays and radiation....

    What is propelling such pebbles? Please document more about relativistic speeds. Would suitably large "pebble" also be a threat to Earth dwellers? As for radiation, ample material is available for radiation shielding in space nearby, see Moon.

    The possibility of encountering new microbes the human body has never encountered before, and which it accordingly has no immune resistance against whatsoever....

    You may be watching too many times "Andromeda Strain". Terrestrial microbes have developed over millennia alongside humans and domestic animals. Presumed space pathogens must have descended from different environments than human body and so will be more adapted to alien hosts/environment. Moreover, quarantine procedures effective against Earth plagues should prove effective against hypothetical space pathogens.
    Plague from space is most unlikely- much biological research has been conducted of late RE "extremeophiles", organisms adapted to atypical terrestrial environments. So far none has been found harmful to human life as far as Prince is aware. Space can be classified as another extreme environment.
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    We will undoubtedly colonize space.

    However we will have to bring many of the things which "suck" about earth with us.

    Gravity it seems is not something we can do without.

    We need the radiation shielding of our hundred mile thick atmosphere. If we don't have it we will have to build a subtitute.

    We will need a balenced ecology in our space habitat if it is to be self sustaining. We can try to eliminate anoying life forms but those life forms are part of the balence. We have not so far been able to create a balenced, self sustaining, artificial ecology. The easiest way to get one would be to take one that already exists in nature and import it, "bugs and all".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealeaf View Post
    We will undoubtedly colonize space.

    However we will have to bring many of the things which "suck" about earth with us.

    Gravity it seems is not something we can do without.

    We need the radiation shielding of our hundred mile thick atmosphere. If we don't have it we will have to build a subtitute.

    We will need a balenced ecology in our space habitat if it is to be self sustaining. We can try to eliminate anoying life forms but those life forms are part of the balence. We have not so far been able to create a balenced, self sustaining, artificial ecology. The easiest way to get one would be to take one that already exists in nature and import it, "bugs and all".
    Is more like 10.6 miles atmosphere at the most, dotcomrade.

    Yeah, with weight penalty and oxygen allotment for these annoying and dangerous organisms. Does "balence of nature"(geez, guy, don't you ever notice spellcheck?) include tapeworm in your intestines and scabies on genitalia? If so, include Prince out.

    Entire point of exercise is to GET AWAY from Nature, which has been energetically trying to kill humans since beginnings of species and succeeding more often than not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Finger Prince View Post
    Being a thread devoted to disadvantages of terrestrial life for humans.

    1.) too much gravity

    2.) earthquakes/tsunamis/storms/floods/droughts

    3.) diseases and parasites- in a world built to order in space, such abominations would be excluded for obvious reasons
    Well, without the tidal forces that are likely the cause of earthquakes and tsunamis, life wouldn't exist as it does.

    Do you know the importance of the sea tides to life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealeaf View Post
    Is more like 10.6 miles atmosphere at the most, dotcomrade.

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    Well actually more like 60 miles or more, and depending on how you define it, even higher. Most meteors burn up at ~100 km (60 miles) so there's enough atmosphere to protect us from some things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra View Post
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    Being a thread devoted to disadvantages of terrestrial life for humans.

    1.) too much gravity

    2.) earthquakes/tsunamis/storms/floods/droughts

    3.) diseases and parasites- in a world built to order in space, such abominations would be excluded for obvious reasons
    Well, without the tidal forces that are likely the cause of earthquakes and tsunamis, life wouldn't exist as it does.

    Do you know the importance of the sea tides to life?
    Yes, yes, carbonate-silicate cycle, all that. So? Tidal forces are probably not primary cause of crustal plates motion, though. Life exists, thrives on Earth, in fact, including pernicious forms of life better left behind, e.g. roundworms, fleas, and certain spirochetes, fungi, viruses, the list goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post

    Pebbles flying around at near relativistic speeds, cosmic rays, radiation...... supernova events that cause massive temporary spikes in said cosmic rays and radiation....

    What is propelling such pebbles? Please document more about relativistic speeds. Would suitably large "pebble" also be a threat to Earth dwellers? As for radiation, ample material is available for radiation shielding in space nearby, see Moon.
    Admittedly most of them are man made.

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    Also, "cosmic rays" are actually atomic nuclei traveling at near C speeds. I don't know how much shielding we'd need for sure. An observatory in Utah once detected a proton that had the equivalent kinetic energy to a thrown baseball. They called it the "Oh My God" particle.

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    Is more like 10.6 miles atmosphere at the most, dotcomrade.

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    Well actually more like 60 miles or more, and depending on how you define it, even higher. Most meteors burn up at ~100 km (60 miles) so there's enough atmosphere to protect us from some things...
    Yes, no definite boundary does exist, thank you for correction. Is thicker at equator than at poles due to rotation and tidal effects, just as mountaintops are further from center of Earth in such locations, which naturally complicates question further. Point is conceded.
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    Pebbles flying around at near relativistic speeds, cosmic rays, radiation...... supernova events that cause massive temporary spikes in said cosmic rays and radiation....

    What is propelling such pebbles? Please document more about relativistic speeds. Would suitably large "pebble" also be a threat to Earth dwellers? As for radiation, ample material is available for radiation shielding in space nearby, see Moon.
    Admittedly most of them are man made.

    Space debris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Also, "cosmic rays" are actually atomic nuclei traveling at near C speeds. I don't know how much shielding we'd need for sure. An observatory in Utah once detected a proton that had the equivalent kinetic energy to a thrown baseball. They called it the "Oh My God" particle.

    Ultra-high-energy cosmic ray - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    10 km/sec is NOT relativistic, but perhaps you meant cosmic ray particles only. Legitimate case of hazard, again, easily countered by adequate construction of habitat. Roof on Earth keeps out rain, roof in space keeps out radiation. Also, terrestrial hazards like earthquake, tsunami are notoriously hard to predict at present- in space we can see hazards coming much more easily, agreed? At 10 km/sec, we might even be able to deflect or intercept them.
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    3.) diseases and parasites- in a world built to order in space, such abominations would be excluded for obvious reasons

    I know there are many reasons why this things happens.
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    It's like the universe is chaotic and doesn't have the capacity to notice or care that we exist. Ey' I'm walkin' here! Stop biting me and flooding me and making it so I can't fly without wings!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealeaf View Post
    We will undoubtedly colonize space.

    However we will have to bring many of the things which "suck" about earth with us.

    Gravity it seems is not something we can do without.

    We need the radiation shielding of our hundred mile thick atmosphere. If we don't have it we will have to build a subtitute.

    We will need a balenced ecology in our space habitat if it is to be self sustaining. We can try to eliminate anoying life forms but those life forms are part of the balence. We have not so far been able to create a balenced, self sustaining, artificial ecology. The easiest way to get one would be to take one that already exists in nature and import it, "bugs and all".
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    Unfortunately, there is great doubt about wether we will ever colonize space. A large fraction of the public, perhaps the majority, doesn't see the point. The obstacles are obvious, and the gains rather obscure to most people. It also an uncomfortable fact of life that we may find a way to make ourselves extinct in the near future before we can really establish a lasting presence off Earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Finger Prince View Post
    Being a thread devoted to disadvantages of terrestrial life for humans.

    1.) too much gravity
    The alternative is a world which does not have the ability to maintain a significant atmosphere. We die.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Finger Prince View Post
    2.) earthquakes/tsunamis/storms/floods/droughts
    The alternative is a world which has a cold core or does not receive enough energy to power atmospheric phenomena. We die.

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    3.) diseases and parasites- in a world built to order in space, such abominations would be excluded for obvious reasons
    The alternative is a world which lacks a significant amount of bacterial flora (e. coli, s. aureus, etc) which we require to maintain our personal health. We die.

    Turns out we don't have it so bad after all.
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    Unfortunately, there is great doubt about wether we will ever colonize space. A large fraction of the public, perhaps the majority, doesn't see the point. The obstacles are obvious, and the gains rather obscure to most people. It also an uncomfortable fact of life that we may find a way to make ourselves extinct in the near future before we can really establish a lasting presence off Earth.
    I think I agree with your statement about the general public although, like Sealeaf, I believe we will explore space in the future.
    There are real obstacles, such as cost and very difficult technical problems to solve, in the short term, but I am firmly of the opinion there will be massive scientific and economic benefits in the longer term.
    If we lack the will, or the ability, to move into the rest of the Universe, starting with the Solar System, I am far from certain our species will survive.
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    If you can learn how to live WITH the land then you can live without fear of such things you mention Finger Prince. As an example look at the way the Native Americans lived, they knew where to build without fear of earthquake because they build their homes to be easily repaired and to take a very hard quake and still be intact. They knew many ways to survive working with the land not trying to make the land suit them.
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    Being a thread devoted to disadvantages of terrestrial life for humans.

    1.) too much gravity
    The alternative is a world which does not have the ability to maintain a significant atmosphere. We die.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Finger Prince View Post
    2.) earthquakes/tsunamis/storms/floods/droughts
    The alternative is a world which has a cold core or does not receive enough energy to power atmospheric phenomena. We die.

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    3.) diseases and parasites- in a world built to order in space, such abominations would be excluded for obvious reasons
    The alternative is a world which lacks a significant amount of bacterial flora (e. coli, s. aureus, etc) which we require to maintain our personal health. We die.

    Turns out we don't have it so bad after all.
    We live in the worst possible world because if our conditions for life were unsatisfactory we would be too dead to complain about it.
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