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  1. #1 Darwin's Nightmare 
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    OK, so is documentary by this title.

    Sometime back, was King Leopold II of Belgium sending cargoes of arms to Congo and brutally exploited native population for rubber, big international scandal resulting.

    Today is same thing going on, more quieter, because why is also good discussion topic.

    As film describes events non-native Nile Perch were introduced to Lake Victoria and dominating food chain to exclusion of all native species- only food now often is other Nile Perch, which grow to impressive dimensions and are often destined for European dinner tables, flown out by planeload.

    But what are planes flying IN to area?

    Arms.

    Same old game, different players. Ecological disaster and human exploitation, colonial model is alive and well. See it with someone you want to depress.


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    I think sometimes the goal is genuinely just genocide. When you look at the way Spain dealt with the Arawak Indians, for example, where they enslaved them and then dramatically underfed them until they died, and kept doing this until all of them were extinct, it's hard not to compare that with the concentration camps of Germany. They always maintained that they were just being careless slave masters, but I'm pretty sure they wanted the natives gone.

    In the USA, the settlers were willing to be more honest about it, and just shoot everyone up front, instead of pretending it wasn't just a wholesale land grab.

    You can't take someone's land from them while they're alive. Either they, or their descendants will just keep right on fighting to get it back forever and ever and ever, leading to perpetual war. If you play them against each other or try to oppress them into submission, then the region is perpetually unstable (which makes it hard to get any use out of the land.) I suppose another option would be to try and assimilate them if they will assimilate, but we have Mexico as an example of where that ends up. You end up with some kind of deformed, half mutant culture with a lot of birth defects and drool falling out of the side of its mouth.


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    Good thing Prince is not Mexican or he would be offended. Defend your position with regard to Mexico if you would be so brave, and thank you for responding. It would seem that hybridization aka exogamy should prevent increased incidence of birth defects. Might chemical teratogens be more likely explanation?

    Unseemly proliferation of Nile Perch is not uncommon for non-native species introduced to new environment, but only successful ones are noticed, since non successful ones are not a nuisance, Q.E.D.

    Other examples are fire ants, cane toads, rabbits, boas, mongooses and pigs. In Western USA is now big problem with Zebra mussels.
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