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  1. #1 Warmest March on record 
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    WASHINGTON, DC, April 16, 2010 (ENS) - The world's combined global land and ocean surface temperature made last month the warmest March on record, according to federal government scientists with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NOAA.

    Taken separately, average ocean temperatures were the warmest for any March and the global land surface was the fourth warmest for any March on record.

    Additionally, the planet has seen the fourth warmest January through March period on record, NOAA analysts conclude.

    The monthly National Climatic Data Center analysis, based on records going back to 1880, is part of the suite of climate services NOAA provides government, business and community leaders so they can make informed decisions.

    The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature in March was 1.39 degrees Fahrenheit above the 20th century average.
    http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2...-04-16-01.html

    No doubt the source renders the information entirely meaningless!


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    Quote Originally Posted by free radical
    WASHINGTON, DC, April 16, 2010 (ENS) - The world's combined global land and ocean surface temperature made last month the warmest March on record, according to federal government scientists with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NOAA.

    Taken separately, average ocean temperatures were the warmest for any March and the global land surface was the fourth warmest for any March on record.

    Additionally, the planet has seen the fourth warmest January through March period on record, NOAA analysts conclude.

    The monthly National Climatic Data Center analysis, based on records going back to 1880, is part of the suite of climate services NOAA provides government, business and community leaders so they can make informed decisions.

    The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature in March was 1.39 degrees Fahrenheit above the 20th century average.
    http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2...-04-16-01.html

    No doubt the source renders the information entirely meaningless!
    Could have fooled me.

    I'm still using about 50% more power keeping my place warm than a year ago, every month this winter to spring, compared to last years. I'm not talking cost. I'm talking kilo-watt-hours.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    Could have fooled me.
    I understand that is not a major challenge.
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    Energy use at one single location is hardly reflective of the average temperature of the entire planet.

    If you lived in the SE US, parts of Eastern Asia, the North Pacific, or on the Falkland Islands you probably had a cooler than average March.

    Of course perhaps you just need to change out the weather stripping or service your heater....hard to tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox
    Energy use at one single location is hardly reflective of the average temperature of the entire planet.

    If you lived in the SE US, parts of Eastern Asia, the North Pacific, or on the Falkland Islands you probably had a cooler than average March.

    Of course perhaps you just need to change out the weather stripping or service your heater....hard to tell.
    We know that. Problem is, there are so many other cool places compared to normal.

    Where are the hot spots? Are they really hotter, or thermometers in urban heat islands?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox
    Energy use at one single location is hardly reflective of the average temperature of the entire planet.

    If you lived in the SE US, parts of Eastern Asia, the North Pacific, or on the Falkland Islands you probably had a cooler than average March.

    Of course perhaps you just need to change out the weather stripping or service your heater....hard to tell.
    We know that. Problem is, there are so many other cool places compared to normal.

    you know what? That your one example of energy use was a really poor example? As for cooler places, I listed the major areas which were cooler, the rest of the planet was either about average or warmer--some places much warmer.

    Where are the hot spots?
    hmmm....I thought you'd know that. :wink:


    Are they really hotter, or thermometers in urban heat islands?
    Considering the urban signal in the NOAA climate data is virtually non-existent and a good % of the warmer places this past March were on the ocean surface or coastal regions--well it pretty much rules out urban effects.

    One month, even a record one, doesn't really mean very much, but for what it's worth here's what it looked like:
    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?report=global
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    Quote Originally Posted by free radical
    WASHINGTON, DC, April 16, 2010 (ENS) - The world's combined global land and ocean surface temperature made last month the warmest March on record, according to federal government scientists with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NOAA.

    Taken separately, average ocean temperatures were the warmest for any March and the global land surface was the fourth warmest for any March on record.

    Additionally, the planet has seen the fourth warmest January through March period on record, NOAA analysts conclude.

    The monthly National Climatic Data Center analysis, based on records going back to 1880, is part of the suite of climate services NOAA provides government, business and community leaders so they can make informed decisions.

    The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature in March was 1.39 degrees Fahrenheit above the 20th century average.
    http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2...-04-16-01.html

    No doubt the source renders the information entirely meaningless!
    Could have fooled me.

    I'm still using about 50% more power keeping my place warm than a year ago, every month this winter to spring, compared to last years. I'm not talking cost. I'm talking kilo-watt-hours.
    Same here it has been freezing in the Northwest, USA.
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    It's really not much of a mystery that the Dec 2009 - Mar 2010 months show well above average global surface temperatures. When you first consider the known bias in the surface temperature data post 1989 and then combine that with El Nino where Pacific Ocean oscillations result in huge quantities of heat energy to be transfered from the Ocean to the lower atmosphere.

    With the ocean giving up more of its stored energy to the atmosphere when AGW theory suggests it should be receiving and storing excess heat, this does not bode well for the theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cypress
    It's really not much of a mystery that the Dec 2009 - Mar 2010 months show well above average global surface temperatures. When you first consider the known bias in the surface temperature data post 1989 and then combine that with El Nino where Pacific Ocean oscillations result in huge quantities of heat energy to be transfered from the Ocean to the lower atmosphere.
    Your claim of "known bias," from removal and clean up of bad stations, is another dead well beat horse. In addition to the plethora of open data and methodologies included in the National Climatic Data Center, the most recent peer-review paper actually shows a tiny cooling bias from the station removal. http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/u...e-etal2010.pdf

    Yes El Ninos tend to create globally warmer average temps--not a mystery but part of the normal variations.


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    With the ocean giving up more of its stored energy to the atmosphere when AGW theory suggests it should be receiving and storing excess heat, this does not bode well for the theory.
    You're already running a thread on that same topic. Disinterest there isn't a reason to spread it into this topic. Further derailed this thread into that same ground without a clear connection to Mar2010 temperatures will be deleted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goddard
    Same here it has been freezing in the Northwest, USA.
    Actually January and February were much warming than normal months throughout the Pacific NW.

    March was close to normal (posted below).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cypress
    With the ocean giving up more of its stored energy to the atmosphere when AGW theory suggests it should be receiving and storing excess heat,
    ? Neither half of that bizarre apposition makes any sense at all.
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    It's really not much of a mystery that the Dec 2009 - Mar 2010 months show well above average global surface temperatures.
    It was predicted otherwise, by the "skeptics". Quite loudly.
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    I love stats like that...

    consider that for the (roughly) 200 years we've collected consistent data on weather on a four and a half billion year old planet, would be the equivalent of judging your entire life by 4 seconds of it. It would be like an alien taking a picture of you mid-sneeze, and going back and showing all his buddies how funny these earthlings look all the time. Not to mention, there is no credible control group to base any comparisons on...even the patterns are as unique as your fingerprints.
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    It was cold because of the negative arctic oscillation. come on now. If you're all going to be arguing this sort of thing you should get to know what oscillatory patterns there are and the effects they have in both their negative and positive phases.


    http://nsidc.org/arcticmet/patterns/...cillation.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunchBox
    I love stats like that...

    consider that for the (roughly) 200 years we've collected consistent data on weather on a four and a half billion year old planet, would be the equivalent of judging your entire life by 4 seconds of it. It would be like an alien taking a picture of you mid-sneeze, and going back and showing all his buddies how funny these earthlings look all the time. Not to mention, there is no credible control group to base any comparisons on...even the patterns are as unique as your fingerprints.
    Nonsense. Global warming wasn't predicted from observations of temperatures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twit of wit
    Quote Originally Posted by LunchBox
    I love stats like that...

    consider that for the (roughly) 200 years we've collected consistent data on weather on a four and a half billion year old planet, would be the equivalent of judging your entire life by 4 seconds of it. It would be like an alien taking a picture of you mid-sneeze, and going back and showing all his buddies how funny these earthlings look all the time. Not to mention, there is no credible control group to base any comparisons on...even the patterns are as unique as your fingerprints.
    Nonsense. Global warming wasn't predicted from observations of temperatures.
    Enlighten me.
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    Global warming was predicted by the reactive nature CO2 and other greenhouse gases have in the atmosphere. That being they absorb infrared heat radiation re-emitted by the surface of the Earth after having absorbed radiation from the Sun. Back in the 19th century it was estimated by Svante Arrhenius that a doubling of CO2 would amount to a 5 degree rise in temperatures. Since then CO2 has been shown time and time again to be a major contributing factor to an increasing global temperature.

    Evidences of a rising temperature due to greenhouse gases are things such as stratospheric cooling combined with tropospheric warming, which would not occur if the current warming trend was the result of solar irradiance or Milankovitch Cyles, satellite measurements of incoming and outgoing radiation showing that more energy is being trapped by the planet and measurements of downward infrared radiation show that it is increasing. For specific types of greenhouse gases all we need to do is, again, look at the satellite data and see what wavelengths the atmospheric trapping is occurring at. We see that the largest changes are at CO2, a product of combustion, and methane, a product of bovine farming, wavelengths. We know that the increase in CO2 concentration is primarily the result of the combustion of fossil fuels because of the isotopic ratio of Carbon-12 to Carbon-13 that make up the CO2 in the atmosphere. During photosynthesis plants have the ability to descriminate against Carbon-13 due to differences in chemical and physical properties imparted by the difference in mass, the effect of which is roughly a 2% difference in carbon-12 ratio to the atmosphere. As fossil fuel burning increase we would expect to see an increase in Carbon-12 in the atmosphere. And this is exactly what is occurring. In the last 2 centuries CO2 concentration in the atmosphere has risen from roughly 270ppm to over 390ppm and the methane concentration in the last century has risen by 130%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twit of wit
    Quote Originally Posted by LunchBox
    I love stats like that...

    consider that for the (roughly) 200 years we've collected consistent data on weather on a four and a half billion year old planet, would be the equivalent of judging your entire life by 4 seconds of it. It would be like an alien taking a picture of you mid-sneeze, and going back and showing all his buddies how funny these earthlings look all the time. Not to mention, there is no credible control group to base any comparisons on...even the patterns are as unique as your fingerprints.
    Nonsense. Global warming wasn't predicted from observations of temperatures.
    How is this nonsense, and where did I mention temperature? If my statement is "nonsense", then please point out my error in logic.
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