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    I've shut down several of the longer climate threads. They'd gone on long enough and the trend has been that the longer a tread goes the more likely it will degrade into personal attacks.

    I considered a moratorium on climate threads for a few weeks, but would rather let a couple remain open and appeal to you to keep things civil and somewhat on point so we all enjoy the intellectual discussions.

    There's a lot of other stuff to talk about in environmental sciences which I hope find their way here.

    Enjoy

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    Lynx_Fox; It's my desire, my reaction to your actions are taken as constructive criticism;

    1. You are shutting down threads, you really should have been participating in, at least according to your claimed interest. Not having posted in a couple months to start with, assuming nothing interesting or you have been busy, seems a bit presumptuous for your actions.

    2. It's been my observation, having been a poster on this forum for a few months, that when a thread is locked, it's for other reasons, than it's gone on too long, then usually dropped to the Trash Can. "Too Long" is a judgment call, that makes no sense, IMO.

    3. Many threads, involve a great deal more than the actual posters. I for one, have not missed one post on any locked thread, rarely posting, but out of interest to the issue. The number of views, on most your SELECTED threads, should tell you, I"M NOT the only one.

    I certainly thank you for your service to the Country, believe this may be part or all the reason you have not participated and respect this, but feel it was a bad decision.

    appeal to you to keep things civil and somewhat on point so we all enjoy the intellectual discussions.
    cypress and Wild Cobra, have been the drivers of these threads, 'passionate' I feel would be the better description and just as passionate has been inow, in his methods for the opposing arguments.

    There's a lot of other stuff to talk about in environmental sciences which I hope find their way here.
    Maybe there is "other STUFF" to talk about, but frankly climatology would be a very boring subject, in todays climate where 'Cap and Trade', mandates on on our business enterprises, our way of life and virtually every daily activity is being questioned in the name of 'MAN CAUSED GLOBAL WARMING', and of interest to us all. To add to this on every forum, no less than 5 such threads exist, to my knowledge NONE of which have been locked. This includes 5 Political Forums.

    I hope, you will reconsider, assume a possibility since you didn't lock this thread.
    Also, keeping to the spirit of the season, I wish you and yours, along with all our military people a Merry Christmas and hopes that the new year will see at end to hostilities.[/list]


     

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    I approve of the locking as there wasnt much but flaming happening in most of the current threads.

    I do think that the currently open threads and any new one started should be merged into one or at most two large threads stickyed to the top of the forum.
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    Well, I personally think it's wrong to lock a thread out without warning. More to the point, if you have problems with the way any of us act, then warn us and lock us out.

    Yes, I have been guilty of attacking Inow. However, I felt I "responded in kind" after being attacked. I figured since he was here longer, that this was par for the course. A warning would have been appreciated.

    I have a request. Rather than locking a thread for lack of civility, how about either deleting a person's offensive post, or boxing the poster for a short period of time?

    You see, the problem with making it a habit of locking threads for banter rather than the poster, is then, a poster who wants to shut down an opposing view can do so simply by being disruptive. They can keep from losing in a debate by having the debate shut down. I have a feeling Inow has done this intentionally with experience of how these forums operate.

    Lock out the poster please, not the thread. I can be civil, but I have always reserved the right to respond in kind. I will refrain from doing so, but now I will request you take actions against violators instead.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    Yes, I have been guilty of attacking Inow. However, I felt I "responded in kind" after being attacked. I figured since he was here longer, that this was par for the course.
    As evidenced by the date below our avatars, you joined more than a month before I did.
     

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    inow;
    I'm often guilty of the same assumption; More post and being a Forum Ph.D., would indicate to most, you have been around awhile. Frankly you play the part. Off hand, it would seem to me, your AGAIN following a poster around this forum, with your provoking comments.

    Maybe Lynn_Fox, with less post than you and yet to make Ph.D, will understand this with his over two years on this forum and drop this locking of post. The punishment, may not have been directed appropriately. inow, a serious question, do you have problems with Engineers, in general???
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson33
    inow, a serious question, do you have problems with Engineers, in general???
    No.
     

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    Lynx Fox; Having not been able to respond to a post offered by you, simultaneously locking the thread, wishing to reply publicly to the thread authors comment and not being worthy of a thread of it's own, I have gone this route....Hope you don't mind.

    From your article, written 2004 [click the link to the left]


    In this Essay, Oreskes analyzes the existing scientific literature to show that there is a robust consensus that anthropogenic global climate change is occurring. Thus, despite claims sometimes made by some groups that there is not good evidence that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities, the scientific community is in overwhelming agreement that such evidence is clear and persuasive.
    My comment and reference site offered, written 2 1/2 years later.

    This notion, that there is a consensus or that AGW (man caused global warming) has been unconditionally accepted in the Science community, must be questioned...

    On May 19th 2008, OISM announced that over 31,000 scientists, including more than 9,000 with Ph.D.s, signed a petition that states, "... There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will cause in the future, catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate..."

    The purpose of the Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of "settled science" and an overwhelming "consensus" in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climatological damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.
    http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...ing_6-2-08.php

    Because we have too many of these threads already and the pointlessness of taking a poll of non-experts to conclude anything I'm shutting this one down.
    There have been thousands of polls taken, on everything imaginable, from the general public, few of which could be knowledgeable in that field, especially politics.



    kakarot; If you somehow find this post, on another forum a similar poll was taken with near 100 that replied, 70% of which felt GW was man caused, pretty much falling in line with those voting on yours. However, if you I would not base my opinion, on those of others. Politics, especially in the US, has made this issue one that WILL effect your life, either way it MAY turnout, not only in the way you lead your life, but with regards to personal rights, cost, possibly even your Independence. Check out what "Cap and Trade" or possible US EPA cost and restrictions could mean, if you doubt me...

    [mod edit: I embedded one of the links into the text in order to prevent unnecessary scrollbars in the browser. This edit was for readability only and there was no change in context or content of the original author]
     

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    Sorry this isn't going to become another climate thread. (or yet one more about why large polls that includes dentist and medical doctors aren't good judges of climate science)

    I've read the comments. Jackson I agree the length was rather arbitrary, but when I reviewed each of them, all had crossed the line more than a few times. Circumstances beyond my control precluded my active participation to nudge those threads into more constructive directions. Sorry for the collateral damage and catching you in the lockdowns.
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