Thread: Global Warming Swindle Debate.

An excellent Australian TV debate program discussing the documentary The Global Warming Swindle.

Including a short interview with Martin Durkin. The program is approximately an hour long (each link 5/10 minuets long (You tube)). It could have been much longer and is spoilt by the audience questions at the end, but none the less it makes for very interesting viewing if you have an interest in global warming and/or the documentary itself.

Part One
Part Two
Part Three
Part Four
Part Five
Part Six
Part Seven
Part Eight

I caught some of that on Youtube as well.
So many opinions, policies, realities, etc ... It can be hard to get a real understanding for whats going on.
Cheers

The real question is simple: Does all the oil in the all the oil wells on Earth, contain enough total CO2 to dramatically increase the total % CO2 composition of the Earth's atmosphere. (We might also want to consider coal.)


If, in total, there never was enough oil in those wells to change the CO2 composition, then we have nothing to worry about and we probably never will.

If there was enough oil, then by the time we burn all the oil in those wells, we will have changed the atmosphere, and it would be a big surprise to be able to do with without affecting something about our weather.

(Answer this question, and you don't need to do any other studies, or view any other evidence, because none of it would change your answer.)

At a guess, yes, but we don't know how much oil there is in the world.

In the recent UN IPCC report the worst case scenario global temperature rise was mainly down to other non-CO2 forcing such as methane. Inside the arctic tree line there is an estimated 400 million tons of methane. It is thought that within 10/15 years the temperature around the arctic may rise sufficiently for the perma frost to start releasing large amounts of this methane, which has a much greater level of forcing then CO2. If this scenario does happen the temperature will continue to rise leading to the release of more methane and other hydrocarbons creating an unstoppable domino affect regardless of how much oil or coal we burn.

Many other issues will require further studies such as how much CO2 and/or temperature can the oceans absorb, will the oceans actually start releasing green house gases, how much of the temperature rises is due to the urban heat affect, how much of an affect are land changes having? Etc

In the Great Global Warming Swindle it was claimed (incorrectly) that it was the suns solar radiation increasing causing the temperature rises, none the less we do need to know how much suns solar output will rise or fall over the coming decades before we can even start to predict how much of an affect X quantity CO2 will have.

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You can watch The Great Global Warming Swindle documentary here.

kojax
Estimates of CO2 from oil run to about 40 parts per million added to the atmosphere. Since about half of all additional CO2 added gets absorbed by the sea and by natural processes, that means a rise of 20 ppm.

Coal is something else. There is so much coal in the world that it could add something like 1000 ppm. The exact amounts depends on what you define as coal, since it varies so much that what is coal and what is not coal is a matter of definition.

The sources of global warming include deforestation (about 20%), burning fossil fules, and agriculture, and even cement making. Burning oil is actually a small part of the total.

The total co2 in our atmosphere is about 0.035%, all human caused co2 is about 0.003% of total co2.
Co2% increases after temp. rise by several years, so co2 is not causing any warming, it is a byproduct of warming.


The PERMANENT gases in the atmosphere by percent are:

Nitrogen 78.1%
Oxygen 20.9%
these two permanent gases together comprise 99% of the atmosphere.....Other permanent gases:

Argon 0.9%
Neon 0.002%
Helium 0.0005%
Krypton 0.0001%
Hydrogen 0.00005%

VARIABLE gases in the atmosphere and typical percentage values are:

Water vapor 0 to 4%
Carbon Dioxide 0.035%
Methane 0.0002%
Ozone 0.000004%

As for deforestation, we are required by law to plant more trees that are cut down, maybe not always in the same spot, but done none the less.
And for urban heat effect, human total population and industry, we only occupy about 6% of total land area, I don't think that could be much of a factor in any so called "global" warming.

Originally Posted by mastmec

so co2 is not causing any warming, it is a byproduct of warming.

Could you explain how this works please? Presumably you mean global warming is what makes CO2 come out of car exhaust pipes.

Originally Posted by Bunbury

Originally Posted by mastmec

so co2 is not causing any warming, it is a byproduct of warming.

Could you explain how this works please? Presumably you mean global warming is what makes CO2 come out of car exhaust pipes.

Are you kidding, thats your reply?
I don't know how it works, thats just the results, climatetologist don't even know everything about our climate, thats a big reason that the government should be the very last to try something to change it. There is so much misinformation out there about all this it's pitiful. The UN does nothing that is in the best interest of this country, why does anybody even listen to anything they say, the last report they issued said 500 scientist agreed with them, it was a list of scientist that studied it, not that agreed.

mastmec is reiterating a fallacy of global warming. In the current million year long Ice Age, there have been ten interglacial periods, in which the world warmed up, before again plunging into another glacial period. We are currently in such an interglacial.

When the world warms into an interglacial, without humans around (ie 9 times this Ice Age), there is an 800 year period of warming before CO2 starts to increase. The reason CO2 increases is that the oceans warm sufficiently that dissolved CO2 comes out of solution. CO2 being less soluble in warmer water.

The current warming began about 1800AD. That is, it is still 600 years too early for CO2 to increase by the above mechanism. However, lots of deniers suggest this mechanism is the reason CO2 increases, rather than human activity. They reverse the known cause and effect to one that is diametrically incorrect.

Well I was about to suggest that the 800 year gap fits in pretty well with the Medieval Warm period, but after checking to make sure that the time period matches up, guess what. It now appears that the MWP didnt actually happen and the Little Ice Age appears to be thrown into doubt as well.
I guess anything that might threaten the cash cow of man made global warming is going to be edited out of the history books.