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  1. #1 Nerve Gear Ideas 
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    Hello,

    Lets begin by introducing myself, since I am new on this forum. My name is Sander, I am fourteen years old and highly interested into Electronics and such things.

    Yesterday I readed the Never Gear topic since I was searching for any possibility that could make it real and I got some ideas for it to make it actually work.

    Let's begin with the first stage. While using the Nerve Gear your body should by in a state that it can't move so that you only move in the virtual world.
    What I was thinking about is Sleep Paralysis. Sleep Paralysis is a state which you go in before getting awake or getting asleep. When you are in Sleep Paralysis and your aware of having it it can be pretty horrifying or scary. You can see hallucinations. This technique is often used by lucid dreamers (like me).
    A while ago I read about some scientists who could send pulses to the brain which activates this SP state. I was thinking about the Nerve Gear..
    If it could be possible that a VR helmet like the Nerve Gear could activate SP then we've got the first step of making a technique to make this Nerve Gear work.
    Since I am only fourteen I don't really know everything about science, but this could be a possibility am I right? There is much more to do.. but this could be the first step.
    I think we can get pretty far with making it if we can get someone in SP by sending out pulses to the brain.

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    well, sanders, thats a little bit better idea than mine. but, here's mine.
    first we have a helmet like in sao, but it will on the back end, lay on the thinest layer of skin( this would probly be in the neck area,to be able to steal all nerve segnals before they head to the rest of body.) , and steal/reroute them to the nervegear and send to server. ( this disables movement, but, we will have a system in nerve gear that sends back vital signals, like breathing.) it will have remote uplink to server to decrease lag. now, the server will inturn send back kind of like what the oculus rift sees/ what they would feel. now the game disc, would have like the code for where to send signal. and thats all i got for now.


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    Welcome newbies.. ~ I have read of these ideas before and point to gaming consoles. Look at how far and how fast we have come in just a few years.. Dream control is a limited ability skill.. we can not yet program our brain.
    The issue I wish to expose of your thinking is; No two brains are the same. Each and every are different. Thoughts, dream triggers and ideas of memory are not located library file style.. We are sentient beings of free thought. No USB port.. Sciences of the brain are very complex and both drugs and electro magnetic triggers are tools for the workings of the mind.. Good luck with your thinking.
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    hey there, im wybowXD, im 13 year old and i think that you can probably make a nervegear, but it will cost a lot more and prob more bigger. first , for moving in the game there some brain scanner that you can use to record the code of movement ( yea , i know its complicated) and do a command like this: if; (brain scanner port) detect: (code) move leg.
    for the sense do the same thing but do that its make litle electric shock to the brain, same thing for seeing the world

    well, i think we're not gonna have virtual reality like EXCEPT if person IMAGINE and CREATE
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    im thinking about making a kickstarter, called vita-gear
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    First of all , i would like to state that , development and creation of these kind of devices , ALBT roWAYS requires teamwork , it is merely possible to acutally create and distribute such an ingenious device with a set of mind , sure . By the sacrofice of time , it may be resolved , byt then you can set back in other dorections ..anyway , since I was ddistant from 'science' couple of months, I cannot give you the best advice and evidence . Byt simply .
    Have you tried considering the 50 hz of wave transmitted by the brain , with abnormal rhythims according to activity . Everytime ?
    Cutting of the connection is easy , but control is the hard one. Rather then putting all to the head. You can create a deice that is partly placed at limbs and mainly head , that can detect eletrical signatures of brain sending motion input signal . Other than electricity , there, s always eye capillaries that tell the state of the jphuman being and eyeball for the emotion... too breathing rate ,
    To temperture of the brain , there are countless ays to detect,
    As I said , 'Cutting the connection , easy ' that is not entirely true , as from experiments I know dating back 20-50 years before this age , magnets can be used to interfere transmitted signals , whom you can use to focus the brains signals , to sensors and such . But... I believe that would be extremely dangeeous for the gamer . When sleeping I believe your frontal cortex and other parts of brain shut down , and back cognetive mind , opens . If you can unlock the patteen of the brain , and let the transmitted electric signals go to the nervegear , other than the body , then you are a step closer to crearion of the 'Nerve gear' .
    Of course , after you had settld and let nerve gear take fully xontrol of the brain like 'mind control' you got to worry about graphics and the eye cap size , with ofcourse , audio and more , but that is an another topic . I hoped I had given some ideas . Piece of Peace!!
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    There are many people like you with that idea. For example me, I am 15 years old but the thing is that we need teamwork as stated but also knowledge. If we have the same mindset when we get older and learn more about technology and the brain, then who knows maybe we can pull it off, and if not then we can at least make something valuable. I wanted to say two things. 1) there is a field that I found that is similar to creating things like a nerve gear and it's called computational neuroscience and it's an interdisciplinary field so there is many different types of studies, like cognitive science, psychology, electrical engineering, neuroscience, computer science, etc. 2) Possibility of the Nerve Gear? | Age of Aincrad (AoA) Click that link to see a good forum post concerning making the nerve gear, there was many interesting ideas there. There are talks about EEG, BCI, TMS, and all those good stuff.
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    Hey Sander. I am about your age and I have been thinking the very same thing only I think I may have gone into further depth.

    I agree that inducing Sleep Paralysis state is key to getting the technology to work properly. I think that if you combine this with the kind of view the Oculus Rift screen gives you you are on your way. The next step is implementing something like Emotiv which can be used to read brain waves and, as a person on youtube demonstrated, when used with the oculus lets you move around in virtual reality without really moving. This, however, seemed to have been limited to moving your legs and seemed to take a fair amount of concentration and was not as effortless as walking really is.

    My idea to fix this works with the idea that Sleep Paralysis only paralyzes your muscles, not your nerves. If you were to attempt to walk, at least this is what I have deduced, your brain would still send the SAME singles to your legs/muscles. If you can design the helmet to read these different kinds of waves or where they are going by placing a censor on the spinal column or something of that nature it'd be realistic that you could effortlessly move like in reality.

    Another issue you would have to deal with is actually being able to feel things. This means be able to feel your movement, that you have picked up an object, and probably like in SAO a setting where you can toggle pain. Now to do this you would have to be able to send singles that mimic those your brain gives off. I believe that to achieve this making a censor on the headset that would be positioned on the upper knock where your spinal column is slightly before it branches off to the brain. After doing extensive testing of what kind of waves were sent for pain, pleasure, and just other general censors nerves to the brain you could possibly mimic them and send similar ones into the nervous system. I am not sure but you may, using this method, even be able to mimic common smells and tastes.
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    I want you all to be realistic. I'm not gonna say its impossible for you guys to do it. But I will say its gonna be impossible if u keep thinking.
    Start small don't go too much into what isn't or can't be done. I'm sure you can do it if u start now. What if it takes a few years from now ? Are u sure u can actually invest time and still be focused in doing this as well as continuing to finish ur studies? If so start already!!! Try to gather as much as information as u can and organize and prioritize that info. Then see what you are missing. Then post such details and ask for suggetions . I will be happy to help as well as happy to introduce people to you so u can succeed. You are too young to buy stuff and actualy start on the project. But try to learn more about electronics , cognition, interpreting brain waves and such. Find groups of people intrested in this and form a group and work on it a bit . VR is perfectly possible today or in a few decades. It will be a race decidind who makes it first and when. Good luck to anyone who begins a project after reading this. LINK START!
    PS: VR is already being researched by big companies but they aren't just motivated enough as us because they think it cost too much money and is useless. They are gonna be proven wrong and as for the people who think this will take years , thinking ahead was what made Einstein look like a fool then but now U know who the fools are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aakurii View Post
    I want you all to be realistic. I'm not gonna say its impossible for you guys to do it. But I will say its gonna be impossible if u keep thinking.
    Start small don't go too much into what isn't or can't be done. I'm sure you can do it if u start now. What if it takes a few years from now ? Are u sure u can actually invest time and still be focused in doing this as well as continuing to finish ur studies? If so start already!!! Try to gather as much as information as u can and organize and prioritize that info. Then see what you are missing. Then post such details and ask for suggetions . I will be happy to help as well as happy to introduce people to you so u can succeed. You are too young to buy stuff and actualy start on the project. But try to learn more about electronics , cognition, interpreting brain waves and such. Find groups of people intrested in this and form a group and work on it a bit . VR is perfectly possible today or in a few decades. It will be a race decidind who makes it first and when. Good luck to anyone who begins a project after reading this. LINK START!
    PS: VR is already being researched by big companies but they aren't just motivated enough as us because they think it cost too much money and is useless. They are gonna be proven wrong and as for the people who think this will take years , thinking ahead was what made Einstein look like a fool then but now U know who the fools are.
    Right now i am in high school (sophomore) and I'm planning on learning more about the brain and technology and how things can be implemented to discover new things (about the brain for example) and new ideas for technologies such as the Nerve gear. For now, I'm doing anything possible to get into a good university and study this field (There are fields that relate to making stuff like this) and turn it into a career. I'm also planning on doing extracurricular courses on things that relate to this. My goal is to gain enough knowledge so it can lead me in the future, because no matter what crazy ideas you have in mind, you need to be educated, and i don't mean mastering in becoming a neuroscientist, cognitive scientist, computer scientist etc. But know just enough so you can start implementing"realistic" ideas and then start specializing in certain things and start creating theories, etc. But all in all, it's going to take a lot of dedicated and motivated people to even think to make a nerve gear (Dedicated enough to overcome failures and keep on trying and trying with no expected solution until we can finally get it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by aakurii View Post
    I want you all to be realistic. I'm not gonna say its impossible for you guys to do it. But I will say its gonna be impossible if u keep thinking.
    Start small don't go too much into what isn't or can't be done. I'm sure you can do it if u start now. What if it takes a few years from now ? Are u sure u can actually invest time and still be focused in doing this as well as continuing to finish ur studies? If so start already!!! Try to gather as much as information as u can and organize and prioritize that info. Then see what you are missing. Then post such details and ask for suggetions . I will be happy to help as well as happy to introduce people to you so u can succeed. You are too young to buy stuff and actualy start on the project. But try to learn more about electronics , cognition, interpreting brain waves and such. Find groups of people intrested in this and form a group and work on it a bit . VR is perfectly possible today or in a few decades. It will be a race decidind who makes it first and when. Good luck to anyone who begins a project after reading this. LINK START!
    PS: VR is already being researched by big companies but they aren't just motivated enough as us because they think it cost too much money and is useless. They are gonna be proven wrong and as for the people who think this will take years , thinking ahead was what made Einstein look like a fool then but now U know who the fools are.
    Right now i am in high school (sophomore) and I'm planning on learning more about the brain and technology and how things can be implemented to discover new things (about the brain for example) and new ideas for technologies such as the Nerve gear. For now, I'm doing anything possible to get into a good university and study this field (There are fields that relate to making stuff like this) and turn it into a career. I'm also planning on doing extracurricular courses on things that relate to this. My goal is to gain enough knowledge so it can lead me in the future, because no matter what crazy ideas you have in mind, you need to be educated, and i don't mean mastering in becoming a neuroscientist, cognitive scientist, computer scientist etc. But know just enough so you can start implementing"realistic" ideas and then start specializing in certain things and start creating theories, etc. But all in all, it's going to take a lot of dedicated and motivated people to even think to make a nerve gear (Dedicated enough to overcome failures and keep on trying and trying with no expected solution until we can finally get it.)
    cool really amazed at ur determination. I'm sure ur gonna play a great role in brain related stuff good luck on your dream.
    if U do start such a project count me in. I'm not that knowledgable but I am sure I can find a way to help ( really im good at many things
    ) Don't hesitate to ask me about anything . I will try my best to help you.
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