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Thread: Engr vs Scientist: Scientist talks like very easy to bulid a machine

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    Just want to know if its just me, or others also encountered.

    On lunch time, I share to him(the scientist) about my engineering problem regarding building a laser processing machine.
    I explain to him just briefly the problems encountered.
    Then he goes like, its easy just put a camera, then put a three point fiducial, then machine will now know where the laser should cut.
    Then he goes a bit specific, saying: just buy ADC, and galvanometer, example 5V bla bla, if you want to turn it 1 degree, just divide the voltage bla bla bla.
    he goes on: I even so my colleague before, capture an image in black and white, black is the one you want to cut, he cut 3D, make 10cm x 10cm cube to any 3D object hi want.
    goes on: It just using a for loop, set x to some fix value and y to some fix value and it will start to cut.
    I can even show you the code, or teach you the equation..

    In back of my mind, I know what he's talking about, since I been part of team who develops this type of machine.
    And I am not new to programming. I worked with verilog asic verification before.

    The one thing I don't get is, why is if he is so smart, why he cannot grasp what I feel towards the problem.
    He makes me feel I don'k know anything. I want to ask him, did you ever build a machine before?,
    He sounds its very easy for him, and very confidence it will work for the very first time.

    Thats all folks. Its my first time to post.
    Hope this forum turn out to be, always go to forum for me, regarding Ideas.


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    Theoritically........even lifting the earth with is plank is easy. <---- the scientist
    Practically............. Man........ , where will I find such a huge plank !!?/@#!** <-----the engineer




    note : this is why I wanted to be a scientist...not an engineer.
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    A scientist is equivalent of a person who says "To get to Birmingham, just get a car, get onto the London Road, head for the M74, carry on till it becomes the M6, then just drive south till you see the exits for Birmingham."

    An engineer is like the person who has to find a car, get someone to look after the cat for a couple of days, make sure their insurance is order, check out the tires and the oil on the car, make sure that weather and traffic conditions en route will not be a problem, find money to pay for petrol, determine where to get something to eat, and decide which of the several exits for Birmingham to take.

    It's a matter of perspective.


    Edit: I see while I was typing my post that TheNorth Star said the same thing, so we must be right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    A scientist is equivalent of a person who says "To get to Birmingham, just get a car, get onto the London Road, head for the M74, carry on till it becomes the M6, then just drive south till you see the exits for Birmingham."

    An engineer is like the person who has to find a car, get someone to look after the cat for a couple of days, make sure their insurance is order, check out the tires and the oil on the car, make sure that weather and traffic conditions en route will not be a problem, find money to pay for petrol, determine where to get something to eat, and decide which of the several exits for Birmingham to take.

    It's a matter of perspective.


    Edit: I see while I was typing my post that TheNorth Star said the same thing, so we must be right.
    You just couldn't be wrong in this case
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    While the arts graduate will be thinking Birmingham; what a fascinating melting pot of industry, commerce and culture... before saying, "Do you want fries with that?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by eninja1983 View Post
    Just want to know if its just me, or others also encountered.

    On lunch time, I share to him(the scientist) about my engineering problem regarding building a laser processing machine.
    I explain to him just briefly the problems encountered.
    Then he goes like, its easy just put a camera, then put a three point fiducial, then machine will now know where the laser should cut.
    Then he goes a bit specific, saying: just buy ADC, and galvanometer, example 5V bla bla, if you want to turn it 1 degree, just divide the voltage bla bla bla.
    he goes on: I even so my colleague before, capture an image in black and white, black is the one you want to cut, he cut 3D, make 10cm x 10cm cube to any 3D object hi want.
    goes on: It just using a for loop, set x to some fix value and y to some fix value and it will start to cut.
    I can even show you the code, or teach you the equation..

    In back of my mind, I know what he's talking about, since I been part of team who develops this type of machine.
    And I am not new to programming. I worked with verilog asic verification before.

    The one thing I don't get is, why is if he is so smart, why he cannot grasp what I feel towards the problem.
    He makes me feel I don'k know anything. I want to ask him, did you ever build a machine before?,
    He sounds its very easy for him, and very confidence it will work for the very first time.

    Thats all folks. Its my first time to post.
    Hope this forum turn out to be, always go to forum for me, regarding Ideas.
    The thing with many scientists, is many tend to have big egos, they have to have confidence in their own abilities. They can become very reliant on their own knowledge and way of doing things. Also they can spend most of their time thinking their way round problems or moving on to the next one. This can mean that they don't always attach the same sense of importance to the feelings of others. Usually this is not due to a lack of respect or uncaringness more often down to the singlemindedness that can go hand in hand with accomplishment.
    Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it. - confucius
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    I'm also an engineer, and I've had similar experiences with scientists. As others have already stated, the heart of the issue could very easily be generalized as a matter of "theory versus practicality". Scientists and engineers are trained to approach problem solving differently, to suit each of our respective end goals. Did you articulate your frustrations to him? If not, you might consider doing so, since he may not even be aware that his lack of sensitivity to your problem offended you. You said you wanted to ask him if he had ever actually built a machine, so why not do that? If you are not defensive or confrontational in your approach, it might be a good way to engage him in a discussion about this problem where you can educate him as to the practical constraints that engineers think in terms of. Perhaps he can further enlighten you on how a scientist would view the problem and you can incorporate his scientific insight into your engineer's solution. Good luck.
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