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  1. #1 would you help me with future perfect? 
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    A.Once I make another cake, I will have possessed 3 cakes.
    B.Once I make another cake, I will possess 3 cakes.

    The building is hardly there to satisfy the needs of structure but, whatever its purpose or plan, structural needs will have had a vital hand in shaping its form.

    It's a sort of future retrospective tense, where one is talking about a past tense that has not yet occurred, but is expected to occur. In the case you asked about, it introduces the information that the building does not yet exist, or that some other related event is still yet to take place in the future.


    Would you kindly give me more examples about future perfect like such situations and explain them more readily? or, when do you prefer to use future perfect like this situation which I have provided like examples?

    And, what is the difference between A and B?

    I have extracted these information from a site.


    Many thanks


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    I can not yet understand the difference between these? it is MY QUESTION:



    Once I make another cake, I will have possessed 3 cakes.

    Once I make another cake, I will possess 3 cakes.



    The building is hardly there to satisfy the needs of structure but, whatever its purpose or plan, structural needs will have had a vital hand in shaping its form.


    The building is hardly there to satisfy the needs of structure but, whatever its purpose or plan, structural needs will have a vital hand in shaping its form.


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    I will have means it will happen in the future.

    I will have had means once it has happened it will be in the past, and was something that you did have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nima_persian View Post

    Once I make another cake, I will have possessed 3 cakes.
    No one would ever say this. You will not possess the third cake until you bake the third cake. Therefore, at the time the third cake is baked, having the third cake describes the present situation, not the past.
    The building is hardly there to satisfy the needs of structure but, whatever its purpose or plan, structural needs will have had a vital hand in shaping its form.
    This is different than the baked cake example, because, at the time the structure is completed, the shaping of the form is in the past. You are looking back at the design process and recognizing that something happened in the past, namely that the structural needs influenced the design.
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    It makes no sense to say "No one would ever say this" when someone just said it. Also when the third cake is baked already, yes it is in the past since it already happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayflow View Post
    It makes no sense to say "No one would ever say this" when someone just said it. Also when the third cake is baked already, yes it is in the past since it already happened.
    I am trying to help Nima_persian understand why and when someone might use the future perfect. You are not helping. Yes, you could say that when the cake has been baked for a minute, then a minute ago it was in the past, but no one would do that - except a nitpicker. Now are you happy?

    Why don't you explain the difference between future and future perfect, if you think you know.
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    No, you help her (or him) - since our approaches of trying to help do not coincide all that well, I think it better that you try to help and I bow out. Past, present, future and such are a bit complex, and too many cooks can spoil a meal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayflow View Post
    It makes no sense to say "No one would ever say this" when someone just said it. Also when the third cake is baked already, yes it is in the past since it already happened.
    I am trying to help Nima_persian understand why and when someone might use the future perfect. You are not helping. Yes, you could say that when the cake has been baked for a minute, then a minute ago it was in the past, but no one would do that - except a nitpicker. Now are you happy?

    Why don't you explain the difference between future and future perfect, if you think you know.
    thank you. i too am trying to learn from these threads by nima_persian . while not contributing i am reading each one. mayflows comments are confusing.
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    Some languages don't have future perfect, and it isn't used very often in English either. I imagine this would make it difficult for someone learning English.

    Basically, you are imagining yourself in the future, looking back at the past. When you say " structural needs will have had a vital hand in shaping its form." you put yourself in the future and imagine yourself thinking "Structural needs have had a vital hand in shaping the form of this building."
    Now let's consider the cake. Imagine the time when you have finished the third cake. Would you then say, "I have had three cakes"? No, you would say "I now have three cakes."

    Does that help?


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