Notices
Results 1 to 92 of 92
Like Tree18Likes
  • 1 Post By babe
  • 1 Post By stander-j
  • 1 Post By Ascended
  • 2 Post By shlunka
  • 1 Post By Dywyddyr
  • 2 Post By Ascended
  • 1 Post By seagypsy
  • 1 Post By Ascended
  • 1 Post By seagypsy
  • 3 Post By seagypsy
  • 1 Post By Dywyddyr
  • 1 Post By Dywyddyr
  • 2 Post By Dywyddyr

Thread: Why Nerds are Unpoppular by Paul Graham

  1. #1 Why Nerds are Unpoppular by Paul Graham 
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    38
    Paul Graham just read this essay by Paul Graham, I find it interesting but i'm a little uncertain about the format and layout of the essay. I want to hear some opinions regarding the ideas presented in the essay and the format of it.


    Reply With Quote  
     

  2.  
     

  3. #2  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Another open-ended question.
    How about YOU comment first, and see what responses you get?


    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #3  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    38
    I want to hear ideas from a large pool of people to expand my knowledge.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #4  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Okay.
    It's in English.
    How's that?

    What is it that bothers you about the "format and layout of the essay"?
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #5  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    38
    My opinion is the essay should be seperated int two esssays.The first half of the essay is related to the topic. However the second half of the essay is spent critisizing the education system.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #6  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Ah, got it.
    Your comprehension is limited.
    Please define exactly where this "second half" starts.
    And please quote sentences that support this claim of yours.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #7  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    38
    It's purely my meaningless opinion on the topic. I'm curious at what you think of the essay though.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #8  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by fernogx View Post
    It's purely my meaningless opinion on the topic.
    If all you're going to do is post (your) meaningless opinion I suggest you'd be better off on a different forum.

    I'm curious at what you think of the essay though.
    I already said: it's in English.

    How does this essay relate to education (other than peripherally)?
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  10. #9  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    38
    My comment for the structure of the essay is meaningless. But for the open ended question, commenters give it meaning.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  11. #10  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Off to the ignore list you go...
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  12. #11  
    Ascended Member Ascended's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    3,380
    Quote Originally Posted by fernogx View Post
    Paul Graham just read this essay by Paul Graham, I find it interesting but i'm a little uncertain about the format and layout of the essay. I want to hear some opinions regarding the ideas presented in the essay and the format of it.
    Nerds arn't unpopular per se, they are just viewed as being different, and generally amonst children and youths different is seen as bad, hence unpopular. This is because people are searching for their identity and they reject ones that don't fit with the consensus opinion. Thus by adopting the consensus opinion most feel they are fitting in. Usually by adolescence most people have found their place and thus don't need to adhere to a consensus opinion and thus don't have the same down on what you would consider nerds. The same thing applies to other social groups not just nerds, but really it all comes down to insecurity and immaturity.
    Secure people never need to put others down, they enjoy boosting other people up.
    Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it. - confucius
    Reply With Quote  
     

  13. #12  
    ▼▼ dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ ▼▼ RedPanda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    2,737
    At school, children are far more animalistic.
    They tend to respond to their more base instincts.

    As a nerd, people stopped treating me differently once I became an adult.
    Granted, being a nerd is not the most attractive trait you can have - but there's no such thing as an ugly rich man.
    SayBigWords.com/say/3FC

    "And, behold, I come quickly;" Revelation 22:12

    "Religions are like sausages. When you know how they are made, you no longer want them."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  14. #13  
    Forum Masters Degree LuciDreaming's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Cambridgeshire
    Posts
    660
    The link has nothing to do with education - its about start up investment. Even if you bother to trawl through the long list of "essays" the essay has nothing to do with education either. Neither is discussion of the format of an "essay" to do with education............
    "And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh" Nietzsche.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  15. #14  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fernogx View Post
    Paul Graham just read this essay by Paul Graham, I find it interesting but i'm a little uncertain about the format and layout of the essay. I want to hear some opinions regarding the ideas presented in the essay and the format of it.
    Nerds arn't unpopular per se, they are just viewed as being different, and generally amonst children and youths different is seen as bad, hence unpopular. This is because people are searching for their identity and they reject ones that don't fit with the consensus opinion. Thus by adopting the consensus opinion most feel they are fitting in. Usually by adolescence most people have found their place and thus don't need to adhere to a consensus opinion and thus don't have the same down on what you would consider nerds. The same thing applies to other social groups not just nerds, but really it all comes down to insecurity and immaturity.
    Secure people never need to put others down, they enjoy boosting other people up.
    There are many FORMS of "Nerds". There are music nerds, art nerds, singing nerds, science nerds, math nerds, biology nerds, chemistry nerds, band music playing nerds, symphony nerds, mechanical nerds, racing nerds, golfing nerds. I think you can place any human in a "Nerd" category as to what their passion lies in.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  16. #15  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    At school, children are far more animalistic.
    They tend to respond to their more base instincts.

    As a nerd, people stopped treating me differently once I became an adult.
    Granted, being a nerd is not the most attractive trait you can have - but there's no such thing as an ugly rich man.
    *cough* oh yes there is!!!
    LuciDreaming likes this.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  17. #16  
    ▼▼ dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ ▼▼ RedPanda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    2,737
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    *cough* oh yes there is!!!
    Not enough that you'd notice!
    Rich ugly men with hot women : theCHIVE


    But I agree with your comment about nerds in the previous post.
    Anyone that becomes an expert becomes a nerd.

    But perhaps we are discussing the wrong word?
    Should we be talking about geeks and not nerds?
    SayBigWords.com/say/3FC

    "And, behold, I come quickly;" Revelation 22:12

    "Religions are like sausages. When you know how they are made, you no longer want them."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  18. #17  
    Brassica oleracea Strange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    喫茶店
    Posts
    16,602
    Quote Originally Posted by fernogx View Post
    Paul Graham just read this essay by Paul Graham, I find it interesting but i'm a little uncertain about the format and layout of the essay. I want to hear some opinions regarding the ideas presented in the essay and the format of it.
    I see no essay: just a blank page with links to investment opportunities. Are you sure this isn't spam?

    But I thought the name was familiar; there are a couple of comments on the essay here: Language Log Ľ Nerd, geek, PK: Creeping Romanization (and Englishization), part 2
    Without wishing to overstate my case, everything in the observable universe definitely has its origins in Northamptonshire -- Alan Moore
    Reply With Quote  
     

  19. #18  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Apocalyptic Paradise
    Posts
    6,613
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fernogx View Post
    Paul Graham just read this essay by Paul Graham, I find it interesting but i'm a little uncertain about the format and layout of the essay. I want to hear some opinions regarding the ideas presented in the essay and the format of it.
    I see no essay: just a blank page with links to investment opportunities. Are you sure this isn't spam?

    But I thought the name was familiar; there are a couple of comments on the essay here: Language Log Ľ Nerd, geek, PK: Creeping Romanization (and Englishization), part 2
    Why Nerds are Unpopular
    Reply With Quote  
     

  20. #19  
    Brassica oleracea Strange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    喫茶店
    Posts
    16,602
    Ah, I see an extra 'I' crept into the URL...

    I want to hear some opinions regarding the ideas presented in the essay and the format of it.
    Format: obviously copied from a text editor with hard line breaks so it doesn't use HTML formatting at all.

    Ideas: seems reasonable from a quick skim. But it seems very US-centric: everything from the idea of "nerds" to the (possibly unique?) style of American suburbs. I don't know if programs like The Big Bang Theory (science nerds) or Glee (performing arts nerds) have changed attitudes since this was written (10+ years ago, I think).
    Without wishing to overstate my case, everything in the observable universe definitely has its origins in Northamptonshire -- Alan Moore
    Reply With Quote  
     

  21. #20  
    Forum Ph.D. stander-j's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Winnipeg
    Posts
    854
    I read a small portion of the essay. I got the impression the writer assumes intellect, "nerdiness," and unpopularity are basically mutually inclusive.

    In my experience, those types of terms had a small correlation - and that is at its best. There were a lot of popular, and unpopular, intelligent kids that I grew up with. It had everything to do with how they carried themselves, and how broad their interests appeared to be. A kid who gives the impression he/she is only interested in poetry, plays, and medieval weaponry is going to have a tough time finding a group of people that are interested in having frequent conversations about Ibsen, Plath, and Szablas. A kid who gives others the impression he/she is interested in wide variety of things is going to have a much easier time finding friends.
    Ascended likes this.
    "Cultivated leisure is the aim of man."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  22. #21  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Nerds are unpopular because nerds are often highly intelligent (at least, that is my personal understanding of "nerds".) Being part of a typically nerdy crowd, I've made some observations over the years:

    First and foremost, that can mean some social awkwardness accompanies their smarts. This can make it a struggle to build friendships with the majority of people.

    Secondly, I would suggest that being highly intelligent puts you in a minority. You simply don't relate to the masses. Nerds tend to form friendships with others like them and, within that social group, often follow the typical personality traits. Most nerd herds have their alpha nerd, for instance.

    From my experience, it also seems as though being highly intelligent makes you intimidating to others. They don't admit that, of course. They tend to flex their physical prowess over you in some attempt to reestablish their own ego.

    In light of what I've said, I am also completely aware that some nerd, like anyone else, can suffer from a superiority complex and end up unpopular because they are, for lack of a better word, douchebags.
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  23. #22  
    Forum Radioactive Isotope sculptor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    4,211
    if you define popular as football players and cheerleaders, then usually nerds don't do those things.

    Outside that definition, I didn't see any noticable disparity in popularity when I was in highschool 50 years ago.
    Peer group identity is a peculiar thing. Some(most?) of it had to do with how well you tested which determined which classes you would take. So you got to know much the same people throughout the school years. We congregated in different interests and activies;chess club, math club, science club, etc
    Reply With Quote  
     

  24. #23  
    Ascended Member Ascended's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    3,380
    I enjoyed playing football at school(soccer), but I also enjoyed being part of the chess club, I never saw myself as nerd, but equally I never really had a specific subgroup of people to be associated with. I don't really think that being a nerd has anything to do with intelligence, you get plenty of intelligent people that like sports. I think it's more about a social preference for more academic pursuits. It's sometimes the same with people who like classical music it doesn't make them social pariahs, they don't all need to be genii to enjoy it, but equally it doesn't mean everyone else who prefer other types of music are morons.

    The idea of being a nerd seems more about a difference in taste and a preference that goes against mainstream popularity. Why so many nerds that are highly inteligent choose to reject popularity and conformity is probarbly just a way of them expressing their own individuality, just like a skinhead, punk or goth. It's possibly also taken as lack of respect for the mainstream values which others hold that can sometimes see them become targets again though, they are usually only targeted by insecure people that can't handle the idea that the things they consider so important arn't always considered so by everybody.

    But even today we as a society pass judgements upon individuals that don't conform to our views of assigning value to activities. Many of us value and enjoy watching sports, heros are made of athletes that achieve the highest levels of sporting success, their accomplishments revered, yet those who have chosen different pursuits such as stamp collecting or train/plane spotting are some how frowned upon by our society, much as in a similar way in which nerds may be viewed during school years.
    Neverfly likes this.
    Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it. - confucius
    Reply With Quote  
     

  25. #24  
    has lost interest seagypsy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    3,107
    I was completely unaware that nerds were unpopular. I tended to only crush on nerdy guys. How can any girl not like a guy with a big huge throbbing IQ?

    I'm so confused.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  26. #25  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Apocalyptic Paradise
    Posts
    6,613
    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    I was completely unaware that nerds were unpopular. I tended to only crush on nerdy guys. How can any girl not like a guy with a big huge throbbing IQ?

    I'm so confused.
    Maybe for some, it causes a pounding headache.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  27. #26  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Why so many nerds that are highly inteligent choose to reject popularity and conformity is probarbly just a way of them expressing their own individuality, just like a skinhead, punk or goth.
    I'm not sure it's so much a rejection as "I have more interesting things to think about" - popularity only registers peripherally.
    Likewise the "expressing their own individuality" - I'd say that's not a even a consideration: "why would I want to spend time doing that? I have more important stuff to get on with".
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  28. #27  
    Malignant Pimple shlunka's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Dogbox in front of Dywyddyr's house.
    Posts
    1,784
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I enjoyed playing football at school(soccer), but I also enjoyed being part of the chess club, I never saw myself as nerd, but equally I never really had a specific subgroup of people to be associated with. I don't really think that being a nerd has anything to do with intelligence, you get plenty of intelligent people that like sports. I think it's more about a social preference for more academic pursuits. It's sometimes the same with people who like classical music it doesn't make them social pariahs, they don't all need to be genii to enjoy it, but equally it doesn't mean everyone else who prefer other types of music are morons.

    The idea of being a nerd seems more about a difference in taste and a preference that goes against mainstream popularity. Why so many nerds that are highly inteligent choose to reject popularity and conformity is probarbly just a way of them expressing their own individuality, just like a skinhead, punk or goth. It's possibly also taken as lack of respect for the mainstream values which others hold that can sometimes see them become targets again though, they are usually only targeted by insecure people that can't handle the idea that the things they consider so important arn't always considered so by everybody.

    But even today we as a society pass judgements upon individuals that don't conform to our views of assigning value to activities. Many of us value and enjoy watching sports, heros are made of athletes that achieve the highest levels of sporting success, their accomplishments revered, yet those who have chosen different pursuits such as stamp collecting or train/plane spotting are some how frowned upon by our society, much as in a similar way in which nerds may be viewed during school years.
    Meh. I don't see much point in displaying individuality, sounds like a waste of time better spent elsewhere. I do, however, agree that being a "nerd" or "jock" doesn't rely solely on intelligence. Sure, some people may think that sports are pointless endeavors, I do, but I also know people more intelligent than myself "in terms of spatial thinking/problem solving" that are enthralled at the aspect of a soccer game. As to the social awkwardness, some people simply prefer seclusion. What do most people talk about? Gossip, trivial affairs of the day, clothing, and arbitrarily addressing inconsequential aspects of the environment wherein the conversation is occurring. Personally, I find those subjects empty and terribly boring to discuss.
    Ascended and seagypsy like this.
    "MODERATOR NOTE : We don't entertain trolls here, not even in the trash can. Banned." -Markus Hanke
    Reply With Quote  
     

  29. #28  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Apocalyptic Paradise
    Posts
    6,613
    I thought the essay was total junk, myself. It's all speculation and opinion based on one persons limited perspectives and his bias in it. He did not perform a study nor did he put any real work into it. He just wrote an editorial that made little practical sense.

    Many intelligent people are popular. Many unintelligent people are unpopular. Popularity often has more to do with social skills, looks, attitude and personality than the intellect of the person. There is a lot of diversity among people and the entire essay seemed to stereotype absurdly.

    I think the authors ego is larger than his I.Q.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  30. #29  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    *cough* oh yes there is!!!
    Not enough that you'd notice!
    Rich ugly men with hot women : theCHIVE


    But I agree with your comment about nerds in the previous post.
    Anyone that becomes an expert becomes a nerd.

    But perhaps we are discussing the wrong word?
    Should we be talking about geeks and not nerds?
    they are actually similar...don't you think? ...I was a theatre arts nerd/geek...I was off performing from age of 13...I returned to school and just was one of the kids in school.....but *L* I was the one that was gone for a month or two at a time and took my homework off with me
    Reply With Quote  
     

  31. #30  
    ▼▼ dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ ▼▼ RedPanda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    2,737
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    But perhaps we are discussing the wrong word?
    Should we be talking about geeks and not nerds?
    they are actually similar...don't you think? ...I was a theatre arts nerd/geek...I was off performing from age of 13...I returned to school and just was one of the kids in school.....but *L* I was the one that was gone for a month or two at a time and took my homework off with me
    Yes, they are similar - but different.

    I have seen some heated debates on the difference between nerd and geek.
    Personally, I can kinda see the difference, but it is intuitive and subjective.
    But that makes it almost impossible to describe.

    Anyway, if technology keeps advancing, everyone will end up being nerds/geeks.
    I was considered a nerd for being into computers as a child.
    But nowadays, people are considered 'weird' if they don't know how to use a computer ( - even my mother uses one!)
    I expect such technological knowledge - once considered the domain of the geek - will become mandatory soon.
    SayBigWords.com/say/3FC

    "And, behold, I come quickly;" Revelation 22:12

    "Religions are like sausages. When you know how they are made, you no longer want them."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  32. #31  
    Ascended Member Ascended's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    3,380
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Why so many nerds that are highly inteligent choose to reject popularity and conformity is probarbly just a way of them expressing their own individuality, just like a skinhead, punk or goth.
    I'm not sure it's so much a rejection as "I have more interesting things to think about" - popularity only registers peripherally.
    Likewise the "expressing their own individuality" - I'd say that's not a even a consideration: "why would I want to spend time doing that? I have more important stuff to get on with".
    I guess there are certain people, I suppose some which might get classed as nerds, that just don't put the store or value on spending time and effort to create a persona or an identity. But this is a rejection of the importance that others put on and into the effort of creating an identity, they prefer to spend their time and efforts on pursuits of their choosing instead. For some people being seen as popular, clever or attractive are the be all and end all of their existence, especially when young, others are just happy as themselves.
    Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it. - confucius
    Reply With Quote  
     

  33. #32  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Nerd prevail in the end. Steve Jobs could have ruled the world if he so chose.
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  34. #33  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I guess there are certain people, I suppose some which might get classed as nerds, that just don't put the store or value on spending time and effort to create a persona or an identity.
    Ooh!
    Do "other people" (non-nerds) create an identity? Or does it arrive as a consequence of their actions/ interests/ etc etc?
    Does this not also apply to nerds?
    Ergo: nerds DO have an identity/ persona.
    (Although I doubt that you meant it the way I read it).

    But this is a rejection of the importance that others put on and into the effort of creating an identity, they prefer to spend their time and efforts on pursuits of their choosing instead.
    It's not a rejection.
    I could well ask a non-nerd "Why have you rejected the fascinating world of combat aircraft/ tanks/ weapons? Are not, for example, the intricacies of the Hawker P.1121 far more enthralling than a bunch of overpaid idiots running around a playing field with a ball in a pointless game?" 1

    1 And the answer to that question is, of course, "infinitely so".
    Ascended likes this.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  35. #34  
    Ascended Member Ascended's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    3,380
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I guess there are certain people, I suppose some which might get classed as nerds, that just don't put the store or value on spending time and effort to create a persona or an identity.
    Ooh!
    Do "other people" (non-nerds) create an identity? Or does it arrive as a consequence of their actions/ interests/ etc etc?
    Does this not also apply to nerds?
    Ergo: nerds DO have an identity/ persona.
    Very much agreed, I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    (Although I doubt that you meant it the way I read it).


    But this is a rejection of the importance that others put on and into the effort of creating an identity, they prefer to spend their time and efforts on pursuits of their choosing instead.
    It's not a rejection.
    I could well ask a non-nerd "Why have you rejected the fascinating world of combat aircraft/ tanks/ weapons? Are not, for example, the intricacies of the Hawker P.1121 far more enthralling than a bunch of overpaid idiots running around a playing field with a ball in a pointless game?" 1

    1 And the answer to that question is, of course, "infinitely so".
    Well personally I think all pastimes have their merits, but your rejection point is well made.
    Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it. - confucius
    Reply With Quote  
     

  36. #35  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    I never cared what people though. Horrified my MIL and my mother. Still don't care. I am myself. Like me, hate me, diss me.....whatever. I won't stop being who I am to please others. It actually has worked out quite well! So.....why would "nerd" ever be in any equation of people....it they are just themselves?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  37. #36  
    Ascended Member Ascended's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    3,380
    I guess really then that's what it come down to, being yourself doing the thinks you like and being ok with that. If that makes someone a nerd then so be it or if it makes them a jock same thing applies. That just doesn't always come easy to everybody though sometimes it can take a long time before they are comfortable with themselves and they don't always treat people, like those they may consider nerds for example, with respect.
    Should people change so that people will treat them differently? Well for some people the answer will always be no, where as others would disagree.

    Simple experiment here: We go to a shop and buy a new pair of trousers, we think they fit really well and look great, when we go out in them we get lots of strange looks and a few negative comments. Do we still feel the same about the trousers and when we go shopping again would we still by the same style and type?

    We are all influenced by the opinions of others, the only real question is how much influence that is and how we let it affect our choices.
    seagypsy and babe like this.
    Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it. - confucius
    Reply With Quote  
     

  38. #37  
    has lost interest seagypsy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    3,107
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I guess really then that's what it come down to, being yourself doing the thinks you like and being ok with that. If that makes someone a nerd then so be it or if it makes them a jock same thing applies. That just doesn't always come easy to everybody though sometimes it can take a long time before they are comfortable with themselves and they don't always treat people, like those they may consider nerds for example, with respect.
    Should people change so that people will treat them differently? Well for some people the answer will always be no, where as others would disagree.

    Simple experiment here: We go to a shop and buy a new pair of trousers, we think they fit really well and look great, when we go out in them we get lots of strange looks and a few negative comments. Do we still feel the same about the trousers and when we go shopping again would we still by the same style and type?

    We are all influenced by the opinions of others, the only real question is how much influence that is and how we let it affect our choices.
    The wisest people are flexible and willing to modify superficial aspects of themselves in order to be accepted or not to offend the popular sensitivities. For instance, at home, I cuss like a sailor. The fact that I cuss a lot doesn't really have any bearing on whether or not I am a good person. But, when I am in public or posting on a forum, I do my best(though I slip once in a while)not to use unnecessary profanity because it gives people an inaccurate impression of who I am. I perceive myself to be reasonably intelligent and rational, most of the time, and I will do my best to project that image to others so that there is no unearned disrespect. It doesn't mean no one will give me negative feedback but it greatly reduces it if I comply with the social etiquette embraced by the majority of the members of society I live in.
    Ascended likes this.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  39. #38  
    Ascended Member Ascended's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    3,380
    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I guess really then that's what it come down to, being yourself doing the thinks you like and being ok with that. If that makes someone a nerd then so be it or if it makes them a jock same thing applies. That just doesn't always come easy to everybody though sometimes it can take a long time before they are comfortable with themselves and they don't always treat people, like those they may consider nerds for example, with respect.
    Should people change so that people will treat them differently? Well for some people the answer will always be no, where as others would disagree.

    Simple experiment here: We go to a shop and buy a new pair of trousers, we think they fit really well and look great, when we go out in them we get lots of strange looks and a few negative comments. Do we still feel the same about the trousers and when we go shopping again would we still by the same style and type?

    We are all influenced by the opinions of others, the only real question is how much influence that is and how we let it affect our choices.
    The wisest people are flexible and willing to modify superficial aspects of themselves in order to be accepted or not to offend the popular sensitivities. For instance, at home, I cuss like a sailor. The fact that I cuss a lot doesn't really have any bearing on whether or not I am a good person. But, when I am in public or posting on a forum, I do my best(though I slip once in a while)not to use unnecessary profanity because it gives people an inaccurate impression of who I am. I perceive myself to be reasonably intelligent and rational, most of the time, and I will do my best to project that image to others so that there is no unearned disrespect. It doesn't mean no one will give me negative feedback but it greatly reduces it if I comply with the social etiquette embraced by the majority of the members of society I live in.
    Social compliance makes others believe you share and respect their values and the things that are important to them, it means they'll find it easier to accept you because they also naturally expect you'll accept them! Sometimes people who seem different have a harder time being accepted because others don't understand them and arn't sure how they'll feel about them. Life is constantly throwing up situations though, where we are all expected to give in and comply with the social norm, but we are at least still free to behave as we wish in our own homes, like you have stated you swear like a trooper at home. This at least gives us some where we are free to express ourselves, which we all need.
    But in general though there is quite a fine line between social compliance and just being one's self, stray to far either way and it's going to be problematic.
    seagypsy likes this.
    Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it. - confucius
    Reply With Quote  
     

  40. #39  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    The wisest people are flexible and willing to modify superficial aspects of themselves in order to be accepted or not to offend the popular sensitivities.
    Um okay...
    What I don't get is, if they're superficial aspects why bother modifying them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Social compliance makes others believe you share and respect their values and the things that are important to them, it means they'll find it easier to accept you because they also naturally expect you'll accept them!
    "Flaw" #1: if you're that bothered about "being accepted" you wouldn't be a nerd in the first place.

    Sometimes people who seem different have a harder time being accepted because others don't understand them and arn't sure how they'll feel about them.
    Ergo it's SEP 1, neh?
    Nerds have a hard enough time working why supposedly rational people do X, Y or Z 2.

    But in general though there is quite a fine line between social compliance and just being one's self, stray to far either way and it's going to be problematic.
    See above: it's problematic enough as it is for a nerd.


    1 SEP, for those that haven't come across it is Someone Else's Problem.
    2 Which leads to the conclusion that, just maybe, these people aren't that rational.
    Last edited by Dywyddyr; July 15th, 2013 at 03:11 PM.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  41. #40  
    has lost interest seagypsy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    3,107
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I guess really then that's what it come down to, being yourself doing the thinks you like and being ok with that. If that makes someone a nerd then so be it or if it makes them a jock same thing applies. That just doesn't always come easy to everybody though sometimes it can take a long time before they are comfortable with themselves and they don't always treat people, like those they may consider nerds for example, with respect.
    Should people change so that people will treat them differently? Well for some people the answer will always be no, where as others would disagree.

    Simple experiment here: We go to a shop and buy a new pair of trousers, we think they fit really well and look great, when we go out in them we get lots of strange looks and a few negative comments. Do we still feel the same about the trousers and when we go shopping again would we still by the same style and type?

    We are all influenced by the opinions of others, the only real question is how much influence that is and how we let it affect our choices.
    The wisest people are flexible and willing to modify superficial aspects of themselves in order to be accepted or not to offend the popular sensitivities. For instance, at home, I cuss like a sailor. The fact that I cuss a lot doesn't really have any bearing on whether or not I am a good person. But, when I am in public or posting on a forum, I do my best(though I slip once in a while)not to use unnecessary profanity because it gives people an inaccurate impression of who I am. I perceive myself to be reasonably intelligent and rational, most of the time, and I will do my best to project that image to others so that there is no unearned disrespect. It doesn't mean no one will give me negative feedback but it greatly reduces it if I comply with the social etiquette embraced by the majority of the members of society I live in.
    Social compliance makes others believe you share and respect their values and the things that are important to them, it means they'll find it easier to accept you because they also naturally expect you'll accept them! Sometimes people who seem different have a harder time being accepted because others don't understand them and arn't sure how they'll feel about them. Life is constantly throwing up situations though, where we are all expected to give in and comply with the social norm, but we are at least still free to behave as we wish in our own homes, like you have stated you swear like a trooper at home. This at least gives us some where we are free to express ourselves, which we all need.
    But in general though there is quite a fine line between social compliance and just being one's self, stray to far either way and it's going to be problematic.
    Agreed, when social compliance reaches the point that you pretend to believe in an ideology that you resent then it is going too far. Luckily in the USA and I am guessing many European countries, diversity is embraced and while you may not be able to be yourself in one venue, there are plenty of venues where you can. For instance a Harley motorcycle enthusiast who happens to wear leather, have lots of tattoos and a long beard, will not likely be accepted at a snooty ivy league golf club. No matter how much this Harley enthusiast loves golf. But he can go to biker bars or motorcycle rallies and be himself without getting any snears. If he wants to go play golf, he simply has to find a golf course that isn't a private club and won't be as likely to throw him out, but it is likely he would still have to dress more appropriate for playing golf and speak in a fashion that is more associated with golfers.

    Its that old "when in Rome" concept.
    Ascended likes this.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  42. #41  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    I am a musical theatre geek, and I am a golf geek and a sports geek......I guess I am just like the combination pizza of geeks. Thank you very much.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  43. #42  
    Ascended Member Ascended's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    3,380
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I am a musical theatre geek, and I am a golf geek and a sports geek......I guess I am just like the combination pizza of geeks. Thank you very much.
    Hey we are all geeks in our own way, I love property and cars myself, put with another property or car geek and we can on about it for hours, probarbly bore the pants off anyone else. But I bet also for you if you are with other people that really like musical theatre or golf then at that time it just doesn't matter what others may think, you are with someone who just enjoys the things you do. Really being a geek even about only a few things isn't bad if makes you happy.
    Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it. - confucius
    Reply With Quote  
     

  44. #43  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I am a musical theatre geek, and I am a golf geek and a sports geek......I guess I am just like the combination pizza of geeks. Thank you very much.
    Hey we are all geeks in our own way, I love property and cars myself, put with another property or car geek and we can on about it for hours, probarbly bore the pants off anyone else. But I bet also for you if you are with other people that really like musical theatre or golf then at that time it just doesn't matter what others may think, you are with someone who just enjoys the things you do. Really being a geek even about only a few things isn't bad if makes you happy.
    I make my own happiness, as we all do......I am also a sports car geek....oh and a shell geek.......
    Reply With Quote  
     

  45. #44  
    Forum Sophomore jakesyl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    117
    How do you define popularity?
    Nerds can be popular
    Football Team, Wretling varsity and hanging around the science forum...
    "The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error; but who does strive to do deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  46. #45  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Nerds can be "popular" in their own sub-group.
    Hardly the same thing as popular.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  47. #46  
    has lost interest seagypsy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    3,107
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Nerds can be "popular" in their own sub-group.
    Hardly the same thing as popular.
    Nerds are a sub group? Blasphemy. They are the apex group. All others are sub.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  48. #47  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    I never cared about being the Artsy Fartsy Music/Theatre nerd. I could have been a cheerleader...was one in JHS......but...I never desired that again.....would any of you given up who you are in your own nerdy way for a popularity vote?

    I think not.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  49. #48  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    would any of you given up who you are in your own nerdy way for a popularity vote?
    For the jocks, it's who has the biggest muscles and can run the fastest. For the theater folks, it's who can sing and dance the best. For the nerds, it's who has the best grades or learn to solder at the youngest age.

    It's always a popularity contest and I never understood the point. I guess my inate lack of interest in being alpha is why I was friends with people from almost every group. It's amazing what you can accomplish when you're not really trying...
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  50. #49  
    Forum Professor scoobydoo1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    1,240
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    would any of you given up who you are in your own nerdy way for a popularity vote?
    I for one wouldn't.

    I neither require the endorsement nor affirmation of others. If they are unable to recognize the knowledge and skill base that some of us possess, I figure its their lost, not mine. I'm reasonably self-assured and skilled enough to function without pandering to society's whim. In my occupation, they prefer getting the required tasks done correctly and efficiently.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  51. #50  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    For the nerds, it's who has the best grades or learn to solder at the youngest age.
    Nope.
    You're missing the point.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  52. #51  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Nope.
    You're missing the point.
    Like I said;

    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I never understood the point.
    Enlighten me.
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  53. #52  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Your comment: For the nerds, it's who has the best grades or learn to solder at the youngest age shows that you think nerds have their own popularity hierarchy.
    But the point is: nerds aren't interested in popularity, ergo there is no "most popular nerd".
    If another nerd happens to be doing something of interest then fine, he (or rather, what he's doing) gets attention. If he isn't then he doesn't register.
    sculptor likes this.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  54. #53  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    But the point is: nerds aren't interested in popularity, ergo there is no "most popular nerd".
    Interesting.

    I don't think I missed the point, I think we just disagree. I think there is a heirarchy in every social group. It may not be obvious or "type a", but I still think it's there.
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  55. #54  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Ah okay.
    I think I see what you mean. (Or at least I think I get what you mean ).
    sculptor likes this.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  56. #55  
    has lost interest seagypsy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    3,107
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Your comment: For the nerds, it's who has the best grades or learn to solder at the youngest age shows that you think nerds have their own popularity hierarchy.
    But the point is: nerds aren't interested in popularity, ergo there is no "most popular nerd".
    If another nerd happens to be doing something of interest then fine, he (or rather, what he's doing) gets attention. If he isn't then he doesn't register.
    So you wouldnt consider Carl Sagan the most popular nerd of our time? Or Steven Hawking?
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  57. #56  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Steve Jobs. By a long shot.

    Although Bill Gates always struck me as more of the prototypical nerd.
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  58. #57  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    So you wouldnt consider Carl Sagan the most popular nerd of our time?
    Or Steven Hawking?
    Not sure how that question arose from my sentence.

    They may well have been at one time.
    But then they became popularisers, and popular with non-nerds.
    They became acceptable nerds, which is a contradiction in terms.
    And, at least as far as Sagan is concerned, (apparently) became at least (more?) interested in spreading their knowledge.
    While I agree, in principle, that everyone else you have to interact with having the same level of knowledge is a good idea 1, doing it en masse and in public is decidedly non-nerdy.

    1 Or, better, more, knowledge - but that's only so that it's then possible to go off and start extending what you know: which wasn't going to be a consequence of Sagan's "campaign".
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  59. #58  
    Forum Sophomore jakesyl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    117
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Ah, got it.
    Your comprehension is limited.
    Please define exactly where this "second half" starts.
    And please quote sentences that support this claim of yours.
    Give it up he just wants some opinions before he forms his own
    "The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error; but who does strive to do deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  60. #59  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    would any of you given up who you are in your own nerdy way for a popularity vote?
    I for one wouldn't.

    I neither require the endorsement nor affirmation of others. If they are unable to recognize the knowledge and skill base that some of us possess, I figure its their lost, not mine. I'm reasonably self-assured and skilled enough to function without pandering to society's whim. In my occupation, they prefer getting the required tasks done correctly and efficiently.
    Then we are like souls
    Reply With Quote  
     

  61. #60  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    would any of you given up who you are in your own nerdy way for a popularity vote?
    For the jocks, it's who has the biggest muscles and can run the fastest. For the theater folks, it's who can sing and dance the best. For the nerds, it's who has the best grades or learn to solder at the youngest age.

    It's always a popularity contest and I never understood the point. I guess my inate lack of interest in being alpha is why I was friends with people from almost every group. It's amazing what you can accomplish when you're not really trying...
    YOU utterly missed my point, hands down.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  62. #61  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    [YOU utterly missed my point, hands down.
    Yeah, that's what Dyw said at first. I thought I cleared it up, but maybe not.

    Can you reiterate your point?
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  63. #62  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    [YOU utterly missed my point, hands down.
    Yeah, that's what Dyw said at first. I thought I cleared it up, but maybe not.

    Can you reiterate your point?
    I never cared about being the Artsy Fartsy Music/Theatre nerd. I could have been a cheerleader...was one in JHS......but...I never desired that again.....would any of you given up who you are in your own nerdy way for a popularity vote?

    I think not.

    Read posts 35 and 47, I believe.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  64. #63  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    I did read them. I even replied.

    My point is that being a "nerd" puts you into a social subgroup of the entire school wherein popularity again determines your status within that group.

    I believe there ARE alpha nerds. You may not win homecoming king, but you are still competing to be head of the chess club or AV club.

    I don't think you will ever really get away from popularity contests. As I said in MY point, I ended up competing for social status among several groups purely because I was not focused on attaining a social status with a single one. I think of it as inevitable so long as you participate in social convention.
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  65. #64  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I did read them. I even replied.

    My point is that being a "nerd" puts you into a social subgroup of the entire school wherein popularity again determines your status within that group.

    I believe there ARE alpha nerds. You may not win homecoming king, but you are still competing to be head of the chess club or AV club.

    I don't think you will ever really get away from popularity contests. As I said in MY point, I ended up competing for social status among several groups purely because I was not focused on attaining a social status with a single one. I think of it as inevitable so long as you participate in social convention.
    That is fair enough.

    I don't think I ever bothered to win a popularity contest. I was too busy to care! Still am. I do know people who need that, but to me it was empty. I am content to be the "odd" one.

    I am social, to a point, but I also like my quiet time. I love my golf, and my walk in that forest, where I play here, and in Hawai'i I am very content to power walk the beach w/o companionship, though enjoy having someone walk and talk with also.

    So, were you a "nerd" of some type in school? Do you think it harmed you, being "different"?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  66. #65  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    I was in band, football, theater tech, basketball...I didn't settle into one group. I had a really strange mix of friends growing up. I think it gave me a great viewpoint and set me up well for my job. I get to do science, but I have to spend 95 degree days roughing it in wetlands and on rivers and lakes. Most of my nerd friends spent their time inside, on their computers. While I love computers, there's nothing like being outside in the woods.

    I mean, when I would go snowboarding on Mt. Hood, I would climb the glacier so I could examine the fumaroles. I guess I'm a nerd "mutt" if anything.
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  67. #66  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I was in band, football, theater tech, basketball...I didn't settle into one group. I had a really strange mix of friends growing up. I think it gave me a great viewpoint and set me up well for my job. I get to do science, but I have to spend 95 degree days roughing it in wetlands and on rivers and lakes. Most of my nerd friends spent their time inside, on their computers. While I love computers, there's nothing like being outside in the woods.

    I mean, when I would go snowboarding on Mt. Hood, I would climb the glacier so I could examine the fumaroles. I guess I'm a nerd "mutt" if anything.
    Ok, I can relate. My friends were musicians, theatre arts, sports, hikers, nature people, woodworkers, well not were but are. I think surrounding yourself even in your younger years, with people who had interests other than yours, gave you insight and flexibility in many ways.

    I love to be outside. I never am home. I have to be DOING something. Sometimes however, that entails doing hours of computer work and research. I am a project person....my husband says, "bury the bone and she'll fine it and put meat on it again.".....hmmmmm now I typed that, I am rather wondering if he is calling me a DOGGIE!
    Reply With Quote  
     

  68. #67  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I think surrounding yourself even in your younger years, with people who had interests other than yours, gave you insight and flexibility in many ways.
    Whut?
    "People with interests other than yours [mine]" are an unnecessary distraction, a diversion from what is important. I believe the technical term is "complete waste of time".
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  69. #68  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I think surrounding yourself even in your younger years, with people who had interests other than yours, gave you insight and flexibility in many ways.
    Whut?
    "People with interests other than yours [mine]" are an unnecessary distraction, a diversion from what is important. I believe the technical term is "complete waste of time".
    Baloney!

    I surrounded myself not just with theatre arts nerds but with English and math and science and some pretty incredible minds....and I learned about people and different things.

    Again, Sir Duck, we shall disagree.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  70. #69  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Baloney!

    I surrounded myself not just with theatre arts nerds but with English and math and science and some pretty incredible minds....and I learned about people and different things.

    Again, Sir Duck, we shall disagree.
    Basically all you've done here is illustrate perfectly why you didn't turn out like me.
    Think how good you could have been at your chosen subject if you hadn't been distracted all that time...
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  71. #70  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Baloney!

    I surrounded myself not just with theatre arts nerds but with English and math and science and some pretty incredible minds....and I learned about people and different things.

    Again, Sir Duck, we shall disagree.
    Basically all you've done here is illustrate perfectly why you didn't turn out like me.
    Think how good you could have been at your chosen subject if you hadn't been distracted all that time...
    Oh heavens!! I wouldn't want to turn out like you or anyone else!

    Ah but I am, very good at what I do....because part of my homework, is studying and observing people and their speech, movment, and other distinctive mannerisms. THAT is my constant research.. and if I should have to play you, Mr. Duck.....I now have a total sense of how to portray you! You have a very distinct persona. That by the way is a compliment. http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs41/f/20...con_by_GDJ.gif
    Reply With Quote  
     

  72. #71  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I now have a total sense of how to portray you!
    Betcha don't.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  73. #72  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I now have a total sense of how to portray you!
    Betcha don't.
    Sir Duckness.....trust me...I even had to portray a duck! WHo was a DUCKCHESS! *L*.....

    You might be very very surprised what I have surmised about you, thus far.

    Reply With Quote  
     

  74. #73  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    and it isn't anything negative.....by the way Sir Duck.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  75. #74  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    You might be very very surprised what I have surmised about you, thus far.
    Yeah?
    So you're ready to play a leather-clad, sunglasses-wearing (24 hrs a day regardless of weather or location 1) apparent thug who discusses the finer points of Shakespeare, in French, at the drop of a hat?

    1 Although I did, at the request of the bride's mother, take them off briefy in church for a wedding I attended.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  76. #75  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    You might be very very surprised what I have surmised about you, thus far.
    Yeah?
    So you're ready to play a leather-clad, sunglasses-wearing (24 hrs a day regardless of weather or location 1) apparent thug who discusses the finer points of Shakespeare, in French, at the drop of a hat?

    1 Although I did, at the request of the bride's mother, take them off briefy in church for a wedding I attended.
    That wouldn't surprise me!! *L* Sir Duck.

    I am rather odd when it comes to Shakespeare......having been bored to death for the 100th time in "Romeo and Juliet".....my delight and only "Shakespeare" that I have agreed to perform was a musical called, "Return to the Forbidden Planet".

    Are you familiar.....originally out of London.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  77. #76  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    I've not seen Return... but I do know that the original (Forbidden Planet 1) was based on The Tempest.
    (Oh, just checked the Wiki page for Return..., and it appears that it, too, is Tempest-based).


    1 When Leslie Nielsen was a serious actor , well before his Airplane, Police Squad/ Naked Gun days...
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  78. #77  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    I've not seen Return... but I do know that the original (Forbidden Planet 1) was based on The Tempest.
    (Oh, just checked the Wiki page for Return..., and it appears that it, too, is Tempest-based).


    1 When Leslie Nielsen was a serious actor , well before his Airplane, Police Squad/ Naked Gun days...
    Good research...yes it was based loosely on the Tempest and a few other Shakespearian play...it is done with 60 rock and roll and set on a space vessel, probably similar story line to "Forbidden Planet" with Leslie Nielsen, and it is a SPOOF ...hilarious and probably the most favorate of ANY show I have ever done...though "Social Security" is pretty much up there also.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  79. #78  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    the pyrotechnics were just hilarious......
    Reply With Quote  
     

  80. #79  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    about a close to Science this lady will ever perform! ...

    I was THE SCIENCE OFFICER! *L* slash "GLORIA"
    Reply With Quote  
     

  81. #80  
    Forum Radioactive Isotope sculptor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    4,211
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I think surrounding yourself even in your younger years, with people who had interests other than yours, gave you insight and flexibility in many ways.
    Whut?
    "People with interests other than yours [mine]" are an unnecessary distraction, a diversion from what is important. I believe the technical term is "complete waste of time".
    Careful duck
    you seem to be painting yourself into a corner
    Reply With Quote  
     

  82. #81  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Careful duck
    you seem to be painting yourself into a corner
    Ya think?
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  83. #82  
    has lost interest seagypsy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    3,107
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Careful duck
    you seem to be painting yourself into a corner
    Ya think?
    I think Babe is just kidding with Dywyddyr.
    I don't think he is in a corner. About all anyone could glean from forum participation on how to portray someone is how to pretend to be them on a forum. They couldn't actually play them on stage. No one reveals all aspects of themselves online. Mannerisms, ticks, style of speech(referring to vocal inflections and intonation), personal motivations and pains. In order to really portray a character, especially one that really exists, well, you really gotta be able to get into their mind, understand their perspective on things, understand how and why they feel the way they do about things. Otherwise you are just doing impressions and that isn't really acting.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  84. #83  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    In order to really portray a character, especially one that really exists, well, you really gotta be able to get into their mind
    Exactly.
    And I lost mine years ago...
    sculptor and seagypsy like this.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  85. #84  
    Forum Radioactive Isotope sculptor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    4,211
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Careful duck
    you seem to be painting yourself into a corner
    Ya think?
    At least once a year so that my brain does not atrophy too much.
    If it did so, my ears might get sucked into the vaccuum, then my glasses would fall off, and I'd likely be blind as well as stupid.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  86. #85  
    Forum Radioactive Isotope sculptor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    4,211
    Visualizing the duck:

    dark hair, closely cropped
    lean, not lanky
    (maybe with a nervous twitch)
    Reply With Quote  
     

  87. #86  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Visualizing the duck:

    dark hair, closely cropped
    lean, not lanky
    (maybe with a nervous twitch)
    Well if you substitute the word "feathers" for "hair" you've got a passable description of my avatar.
    Other than that...
    (I await laughter at your visualisation from those that do know what I look like).
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  88. #87  
    Forum Radioactive Isotope sculptor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    4,211
    I been wrong before
    and
    I'll be wrong again

    ...................
    care to enlighten me?

    .................
    mirrored shades in the night time is just creepy
    though, I do like the feather boa thing
    Reply With Quote  
     

  89. #88  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827

    You might try claiming that you got "closely-cropped" correct, but that would be ignoring the ~inch-wide strip at the back which reaches nearly down to my waist.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  90. #89  
    Forum Radioactive Isotope sculptor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    4,211
    OK
    dark before grey?
    ..........
    one of my sons has dark (almost black) hair and always wears black
    Reply With Quote  
     

  91. #90  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,827
    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    OK
    dark before grey?
    Nope.
    White until I was about 7, then blond fading to very light brown at 18 then shifting back to white from age 24.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  92. #91  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    Sculptor, I think not painted into a corner......I think more like de-feathered....
    Reply With Quote  
     

  93. #92  
    Theatre Whore babe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Resident of Big Island of Hawai'i since 2003, and in Bayside, Ca. since 1981, Humboldt since 1977
    Posts
    12,518
    I rather DO need a new pillow.
    Reply With Quote  
     

Similar Threads

  1. hello im paul
    By paul j in forum Introductions
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: March 21st, 2012, 11:20 AM
  2. GAME OF NERDS - a game worthy of true science nerds
    By bhansen in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: July 16th, 2011, 01:04 PM
  3. Chess Nerds
    By MiguelSR1 in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: May 13th, 2011, 01:55 AM
  4. COOL NERDS!
    By KawaiiSJ in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 46
    Last Post: April 25th, 2009, 05:31 PM
  5. Hello my fellow science nerds
    By Scifinerd43 in forum Introductions
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: August 16th, 2006, 07:40 PM
Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •