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  1. #1 True of False 
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    Climate is the long term condition of the atmosphere. Note that climate cannot actually be observed and really does not exist at any particular moment. Climate is therefore a conceptual statistical construction from measured weather elements.

    That said, how would you respond to this statement:

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    Ecosystems are not influenced by climate.


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    false


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    btw I say True, because if according to the statement climate is 'a conceptual statistical construction' then how can it effect ecosystems?

    Why do you say False Numb3rs?
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    well let me make shure im hearing you right before i make a statement that makes me look stupid :? your saying that an ecosytem can stay in effect without climat? sorry im not much on comprehending.
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    I'm saying that Climate cannot effect ecosytems.
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    to hell it cant. if the climat changes from humid sub-tropical from a very cold climat dont you think the ecosystem is going to be effected dramaticly?
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    read my first post again.
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    ya ima stop posting here i cant figure out what your asking
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    I suppose it would be like saying ecosystems are not influenced by radiation.

    It sounds to me as though the point is that it is changes in a condition, rather than a condition itself, that affects a system.
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    ecosystems are affected by weather, especially so if particular weather types persist or return at frequent intervals

    you could say that climate is a summary of certain weather types in a certain place - they may be a human construct but there is a real difference between climates predominated by rain/drought or heat/cold

    in short, both climate and ecosystems are caused in some way by weather - this gives the appearance of a causal relationship between them
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    So is anyone going to state true or false like the question asks? I thought scientists knew how to read questions properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aistobasbistoc
    So is anyone going to state true or false like the question asks? I thought scientists knew how to read questions properly.
    Actually, most scientists are defined by their ability to frame questions properly. They are also certainly not given towards black and white answers. (By and large :wink: .)
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    BURN!

    ok know that i kinda understand the question ill say false agian
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  15. #14 Re: True of False 
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    Quote Originally Posted by aistobasbistoc
    Climate is the long term condition of the atmosphere. Note that climate cannot actually be observed and really does not exist at any particular moment. Climate is therefore a conceptual statistical construction from measured weather elements.

    That said, how would you respond to this statement:

    True or False
    Ecosystems are not influenced by climate.
    False.

    Ecosystems, by your play on definitions, are also conceptual statitiscal constructions (try and demonstrate otherwise!). It makes perfect sense for one conceptual statistical construction (me - or prove otherwise) to say that it is false (empirically speaking, simply a conceptual statisical construction - vide the Problem of Induction) that ecosystems (csc) are not influenced by climate (csc).

    As Free Radical pointed out, if your question was meant to be clever, it failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aistobasbistoc
    So is anyone going to state true or false like the question asks? I thought scientists knew how to read questions properly.
    In addition to free radical's excellent response I would observe that scientists can also recognise a loaded question when they see one. This one hinges entirely upon a particular definition of climate without (as sunshine warriror has pointed out) a concomittant definition of ecology. It is a poor question, unless it is intended to elicit a discussion, not only of climate, weather and ecology, but also of artificial classification systems.
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    A nice example of a black and white fallacy or reductio ad absurdum

    Hint: study the latin names of fallacies. It's more impressive hence more effective, if you can use those, which is in itself another fallacy, appeal to autority (argumentum ad verecundiam)

    Anyway another explosure, climate is the average of the weather over a long period, ecosystems are sensitive to weather, hence ecosystems are sensitive to weather over a long period.
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