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    Quote Originally Posted by scpg02
    I don't need a lecture on forum etiquette from you thank you.
    sorry if it came across as lecturing, it wasn't intended as such - i just didn't want to see you get into hot water through intemperate language

    Quote Originally Posted by scpg02
    It is pointless to argue whether anthropogenic global warming is real or not.
    unfortunately, the argument whether anthropogenic global warming is real is central to the whole debate and can't be avoided - the answer is pivotal to what, if anything, should be done about it

    i must admit, however, that your post has made it clear that this is not a fight between goodies and baddies, only between those who think there is substance in a human cause of global warming and those who disagree - and as you've made clear, nasty tactics are not the privilege of one or the other party
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    only between those who think there is substance in a human cause of global warming and those who disagree
    No you have missed the point entirely. There aren't two sides, only one. Those pushing human caused global warming are the oil companies!

    e argument whether anthropogenic global warming is real is central to the whole debate and can't be avoided -
    Again you missed the point.

    Let me spell it out as simply as possible. Those pushing anthropogenic global warming are the oil companies. They are doing so in order to make huge profits. And they are doing so at the expense of you me and more importantly the environment!

    The foundations that funded the spotted owl lawsuits have timber and fish farms over seas. Same song different tune.

    The foudations funding climate change research have vested financial interests in seeing subsequent regulations. It kills off their competition. They stand to lose billions if Kyoto isn't implemented. And they don't care about the environment. They are exempt from liability. The damage they have already done is enormous. It was the foundations who pushed MTBE that poisoned our ground water. Who do you think is cutting the rain forests? That's what that link shows. Get out of your box for a minute, read the link, understand what it is telling you.

    As long as you are hung up on whether global warming is real and what we should do about it you play right into their hands. The oil companies have you right where they want you. On their side, pushing their agenda.
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    i didn't miss the point, i just chose to ignore an idea that borders on paranoia

    + never mind whether one or more partisans are trying to push our buttons, what really matters in the end is whether anthropogenic global warming is real or not, the rest is a sideshow
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    i just chose to ignore an idea that borders on paranoia
    Ah I see. You didn't look at the evidence but you are sure it borders on paranoia. LOL! And I thought science was based on facts not ideology.
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    i took a good enough look at the evidence up to the point that i got the gist of the tone, and that smelt like paranoia

    + don't confuse science and scientists : science as an enterprise is usually self-correcting and is therefore based on evidence (i don't know about facts), but individual scientists are as prone to ideology as any other person
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    The thing is, is that meteorlogical records have only been kept and studied from the past 150 years. Ice core's studied CANNOT (to the best of my knowledge) accurately record subtle changes in the weather such as we are seeing now. They can only record cataclysmic events.
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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