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    Gob Smacked. Man, you could have smacked me in the mouth with a frozen Mackeral. Canadians and North Americans, escpecially those who loive in New Jersey, will have Arctic Polar Bears in their back gardens eating their tomatoes. Googled up the BBC NEWS ROOMS yesterday, the 21st August, 2012. Front Page News. Arctic Ice Shelf going, going, gone. Allthat fresh water melt. All this is serious shit. And the bloody bushfires all over North America. My advice to all you yanks, ( is that still allowed?), is to pack your rucksacks, get the buckboards in position, and head out here to Australia. adelady, pypoko, wallaby. et al and me, westwind will do our best to re-settle you in St. Kilda or Grong Grong. With this latest information I'll have to revise my forecast for January 2013 through to May 2013 for Northern United States. Our Prime Minister, who is a friend of mine through another friend will welcome you with open arms, as long as you fly in. westwind.


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    If you really want to see how much the Arctic sea ice has been melting, click on the Arctic ice volume graph in this item.

    Is Climate Really Changing? | Open Mind


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    who is a friend of mine through another friend will welcome you with open arms, as long as you fly in. westwind.

    Good news, though my preferred form of visiting would be a sturdy sailboat :-) I blew my best shot at a free trip to Sidney when I failed to get a conference paper in on time (argg)--heck I would have had plenty of time to sleep on the way over :-)

    PS there's a parallel and related thread to this in environmental science about the sea ice extent. This can go in a different direction. Lots of conflicting data about high rates of Greenland melt--scientist still struggling to get their arms around that one.
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    Daily Arctic SAea Ice Extent (all time recrd low since the 1800s will be set this week)



    August 14, 2012


    Arctic sea ice extent during the first two weeks of August continued to track below 2007 record low daily ice extents. As of August 13, ice extent was already among the four lowest summer minimum extents in the satellite record, with about five weeks still remaining in the melt season. Sea ice extent dropped rapidly between August 4 and August 8. While this drop coincided with an intense storm over the central Arctic Ocean, it is unclear if the storm prompted the rapid ice loss. Overall, weather patterns in the Arctic Ocean through the summer of 2012 have been a mixed bag, with no consistent pattern.


    http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

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    For MeteorWayne et al. I see this Earth Science Forum Topic/Thread as our most urgent and demanding of everyones attention. There have been excellent Threads lately by New Members giving and gaining Knowledge and ideas and answers from their equals and betters in certain Disciplines in The Science Forum, I'd now like all Members to get a handle on this Temperature rise over the Arctic Circle. Give myself and other Posters on this thread your best researched opinions as to where we are heading with this Phenominen, what are we experiencing at the present time and what changes we can expect in the next five years if this trend in Temperature weather conditions persist over the Arctic? westwind.
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    Wow!

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture10581.html



    Arctic sea ice extent is now more than two million square kilometres less than it was in the late twentieth century, with important consequences for the climate, the ocean and traditional lifestyles in the Arctic1, 2. Although observations show a more or less continuous decline for the past four or five decades3, 4, there are few long-term records with which to assess natural sea ice variability. Until now, the question of whether or not current trends are potentially anomalous5 has therefore remained unanswerable. Here we use a network of high-resolution terrestrial proxies from the circum-Arctic region to reconstruct past extents of summer sea ice, and show that—although extensive uncertainties remain, especially before the sixteenth century—both the duration and magnitude of the current decline in sea ice seem to be unprecedented for the past 1,450 years.

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    there's actually a good site that keeps track of events in the Arctic :

    Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis
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    sell your ocean front property and move up---atleast 6 meters, for safety live and work 100 feet above sea level or more (more is better)

    Nice link: Wow Russia's arctic coast is ice free? Happy days for the saami, taimyr, etc?
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    Anyone read 1421 where the Chinese sailed around Greenland ? Now, the Arctic coast is "Ice Free" again as posted by Sculptor.
    The "Little Ice Age" followed this period.
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    I think its safe to say that no Chinese ships circumnavigated Greenland in the 13th century.
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    Volcanoes and moving tectonic plates found at Gakkel Ridge in the Artic. Hydrothermal vents found. What are the findings and why don't we hear anything from the experts that this may be a cause for the melting of Artic glaciers and ice sheets...and be a source of heat causing the "global warming" controversy? I've heard or read NOTHING about this in the press! Vents from these moving Artic tectonic plates may be warming the waters and the ice directly above them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRJOEJR View Post
    Volcanoes and moving tectonic plates found at Gakkel Ridge in the Artic. Hydrothermal vents found. What are the findings and why don't we hear anything from the experts that this may be a cause for the melting of Artic glaciers and ice sheets...and be a source of heat causing the "global warming" controversy? I've heard or read NOTHING about this in the press! Vents from these moving Artic tectonic plates may be warming the waters and the ice directly above them!
    Because its heat amount is insignificant compared to other factors.
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    Hydrothermal vents found. What are the findings and why don't we hear anything from the experts that this may be a cause for the melting of Artic glaciers and ice sheets...and be a source of heat causing the "global warming" controversy?
    There's no point in talking about a source of heating, large or small, if there's no known change in that heat process, then it's irrelevant to the warming of the last couple of centuries.
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    Do this simple kitchen experiment. Set a pot of water to simmer on the stove, adjust heat so that it is just simmering. Now without increasing the heat from the stove, put a cover on the pot. This simulates the increase in greenhouse gases keeping more heat in that was priviously let get out into space. Observe that the pot is, after a few minutes, boiling much more vigorusly. This mirrors the observed increase in extreme weather. An interesting sub note: the temp of the water in the pot will still be just at the boiling point. There is a resistence in this type of a 2 state system to to change in total temperature even when the conditions become catastrophic.
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