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    not just the pyramids, machu picchu and all other great ancient structures, how did they build that, how did they move millions of stones that were so heavy and big, whats your opinion


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    Logs, rafts, sweat, muscle, leverage, ropes, block and tackle and clever use of balance points. Our predecessors were just as smart as we were.


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    you think that they could move some rocks that weigh 80 tons and more with that tehnology, and not just move them , place them in perfect place every time in such perfect matematical precision, with no electricity or anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laza
    you think that they could move some rocks that weigh 80 tons and more with that tehnology, and not just move them , place them in perfect place every time in such perfect matematical precision, with no electricity or anything?
    Yes, Im not sure why they would not have been able to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
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    you think that they could move some rocks that weigh 80 tons and more with that tehnology, and not just move them , place them in perfect place every time in such perfect matematical precision, with no electricity or anything?
    Yes, Im not sure why they would not have been able to.
    ok, its possible but how did they cut the stones so perfect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laza
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    you think that they could move some rocks that weigh 80 tons and more with that tehnology, and not just move them , place them in perfect place every time in such perfect matematical precision, with no electricity or anything?
    Yes, Im not sure why they would not have been able to.
    ok, its possible but how did they cut the stones so perfect?
    Most likely intimate knowledge of the stone being worked along with life long apprenticeship the career as a stonemason
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    dont you think that it would be impossible to cut them so perfectly with simple tools that they used, and what about the erosion on the body of the sphinx
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    Quote Originally Posted by laza
    dont you think that it would be impossible to cut them so perfectly with simple tools that they used, and what about the erosion on the body of the sphinx
    Why would it be impossible, All it takes is experience with the rock to know the best shaping methods
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox
    Logs, rafts, sweat, muscle, leverage, ropes, block and tackle and clever use of balance points. Our predecessors were just as smart as we were.
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    you think that they could move some rocks that weigh 80 tons and more with that tehnology, and not just move them , place them in perfect place every time in such perfect matematical precision, with no electricity or anything?
    People pay hard-earned money for books by authors who praise the "perfect every time" mentality of ancient structures and technologies when, in fact, no one really knows what the pyramids were like 4,000 years ago. I doubt they were much different from what they are like today.

    I think ancient people were just as "intelligent" as modern people, except they had a different knowledge base. I see their pyramids back then as approximately similar to missions to the moon in modern times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
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    dont you think that it would be impossible to cut them so perfectly with simple tools that they used, and what about the erosion on the body of the sphinx
    Why would it be impossible, All it takes is experience with the rock to know the best shaping methods
    so you say that they cut rocks that weigh 80 tons so perfect and then place them so perfect or almost perfect more then 3000 years ago with simple tools, how the hell did they move these stones when some of them were cut from like 500 miles away, and even when they brought them to the place how did they pick them up and put them so they would fit, and i'v seen the kings chamber and all other structures, they are perfect, i mean where are the tools?
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    And how long have you been an experienced stonemason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne
    And how long have you been an experienced stonemason?
    you can cut these stones today, it is very hard but we can do it, but what tools did they use to cut them so perfect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laza
    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne
    And how long have you been an experienced stonemason?
    you can cut these stones today, it is very hard but we can do it, but what tools did they use to cut them so perfect?
    As I have said before, through a lifetime of practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laza
    you think that they could move some rocks that weigh 80 tons and more with that tehnology, and not just move them , place them in perfect place every time in such perfect matematical precision, with no electricity or anything?
    Absolutely. Their understanding of basic mechanics far exceeded what most people today can even imagine, because we don't have a need or time to use clever balance tricks, shoring boxes and other means to make up for lack of power.
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    We know they could do it because they did it. Duh.

    If they couldn't do it, these structures wouldn't exist dating back to those cultures. What would be the alternative?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinWalker
    What would be the alternative?
    logic leads me to suspect that as a next step god or aliens were involved - or both
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    Quote Originally Posted by SkinWalker
    What would be the alternative?
    logic leads me to suspect that as a next step god or aliens were involved - or both
    That couldn't be his next step. Obviously he's already having a hard time assuming that people in antiquity were smart or capable. Surely gods and aliens require more assumptions!
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    i never said god and aliens, im not retarded, i just have a hard time understanding how people more then 3000 years ago moved and cut such larg stones in such precision when they did not have the tehnology to do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by laza
    i never said god and aliens, im not retarded, i just have a hard time understanding how people more then 3000 years ago moved and cut such larg stones in such precision when they did not have the tehnology to do it
    Ahhh but they did have the technology to do it. They just didn't have OUR technology. All the tech that is needed is, in reality, are wedges, mauls, and knowledge of the stone.
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    Watch one man use some forgotten technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe
    Watch one man use some forgotten technology.

    thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinWalker
    We know they could do it because they did it. Duh.

    If they couldn't do it, these structures wouldn't exist dating back to those cultures. What would be the alternative?
    Moreover, I suggest those societies succeeded because they had a "hobby" keeping idle hands organised (e.g. farmers labouring at pyramids during the flood and growing seasons). That would apply regardless of the use people believed megaprojects served at the time.

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    what about the erosion on the body of the sphinx
    It's impossible to date the sphinx's body, which was carved in situ from an outcropping. It was covered in sand for most of human history, so the erosion must pre-date that. The head is probably a later modification, because 1) it is not much eroded, 2) it is a remarkably small head, out of proportion with the body, 3) this sort of modification was really common in Egypt. My guess is an original and by then shabby lion head got carved down to what we see today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laza
    you think that they could move some rocks that weigh 80 tons and more with that tehnology, and not just move them , place them in perfect place every time in such perfect matematical precision, with no electricity or anything?
    There have been several people who illistrated how stones could be moved.

    Yes, they were as smart as we are. They only didn't have the same tools we have developed over time, nor did they have the documented sciences we know today. They may have had some inventions that are now lost to us even.
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    They have their techniques like lynx fox told us and also blood and sweat of workers is also another cause.Human labour(HARDWORK) can do any thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    I see their pyramids back then as approximately similar to missions to the moon in modern times.
    Yeah right. Like people from the 60's could have gotten to the moon with a computer less powerful than a cheap cell phone today. Gimme a break.
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    Isn't it amazing to think that ordinary people who lived and worked 15,000 hours ago had the knowledge and the techniques to answer the OP's question just as effectively as those of us alive today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Isn't it amazing to think that ordinary people who lived and worked 15,000 hours ago had the knowledge and the techniques to answer the OP's question just as effectively as those of us alive today.
    Yes, when you stop and reflect on it, those ancients from 1.7 years ago had access to mysterious knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Isn't it amazing to think that ordinary people who lived and worked 15,000 hours ago had the knowledge and the techniques to answer the OP's question just as effectively as those of us alive today.
    15,000 hours ago? Did you mean years?

    Personally, I think they just moved things a little at a time.
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    what is your opinion on the pyramids
    I have a theory, possibly controversial, that they're pointy at the top and flat on the bottom.
    And that somebody built them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
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    Isn't it amazing to think that ordinary people who lived and worked 15,000 hours ago had the knowledge and the techniques to answer the OP's question just as effectively as those of us alive today.
    15,000 hours ago? Did you mean years?

    Personally, I think they just moved things a little at a time.
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    The Egyptian obelisks were even harder to move that the blocks for pyramids. Egypt State Information Service
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    what is your opinion on the pyramids
    I have a theory, possibly controversial, that they're pointy at the top and flat on the bottom.
    And that somebody built them.
    That really is "controversial" but sometimes "outside of the box" thinking can lead to the creation of a valuable hypothesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Isn't it amazing to think that ordinary people who lived and worked 15,000 hours ago had the knowledge and the techniques to answer the OP's question just as effectively as those of us alive today.
    15,000 hours ago? Did you mean years?

    Personally, I think they just moved things a little at a time.
    Wake up! Charvaka practices thread necromancy and resurrects a thread last active in July 2011, approximately 15,000 hours ago. Flick Montana fails to notice this. Thread necromancy is discouraged. I was drawing attention to the fact that this was a resurrected thread with the ironic observation that a full one and a half years ago we were as knowledgeable as we are today: just as our Egyptian predecessors were able to do things that we could do today, but some people seem to doubt.
    oh sorry, sometimes hints are totally wasted on me and sometimes I pick up on hints that aren't even there. I did notice it was an old thread. but didn't calculate the 15000 hours out so didn't realize what you were referring to.
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    lol they don't think they are comedians, just so many non brits laugh at them.

    Also there are many aspies on this site. subtle humor can fly right by us quite easily.
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    Flick Montana fails to notice this.
    Dangit! I should have noticed from that clump of other threads where he was answering questions that had already been answered.
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    My opinion on the pyramids? Well, I would've definitely gone with marble, would've had a much more pleasant color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    My opinion on the pyramids? Well, I would've definitely gone with marble, would've had a much more pleasant color.
    The Egyptian pyramids were originally encased in polished white limestone (and possibly had a polished metal cap) - which would have looked absolutely fantastic.
    So....anyone got a time machine I can borrow? I'll bring it back to you yesterday!
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    Quote Originally Posted by laza View Post
    not just the pyramids, machu picchu and all other great ancient structures, how did they build that, how did they move millions of stones that were so heavy and big, whats your opinion
    My opinion of the Pyramids, designed for gravity in the best possible way...
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    Some people are astounded by the use of "pi" in the measurements of the pyramids. How is it possible that people could know about pi?

    It's easy, they used increments on a wheel to measure, thus pi was automatically part of all measurements made by a circle divided into equal sections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Write4U View Post
    It's easy, they used increments on a wheel to measure, thus pi was automatically part of all measurements made by a circle divided into equal sections.
    I sort of take your point, but: do you think pi would still be involved if they'd used a tape to measure the layout?
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    I am confident it would not. It just happens to be a property of a circle and a well made wheel makes a convenient and accurate measuring device. Of course if analyzed the pi factor will always show up as a constant of a circle. But as far as I know no one mentioned this peculiar quality until much more recently when the properties of circles were being analyzed in depth.

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    Really?
    So you don't think that they decided what size they wanted, and THEN measured it out?
    Would it change your opinion if I pointed out that one of the dimensions that relates to pi is the height?
    I find it somewhat difficult to believe that they used a wheel to measure the vertical height from base to apex.
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    It is easier to measure with an endless loop like a wheel (by one person) than a flat tape which must be moved every time and loses accuracy.
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    This may shed some light on the use of ancient constants, intentionally or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Write4U View Post
    This may shed some light on the use of ancient constants, intentionally or not.

    Exactly.
    Does that not argue my point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    This may shed some light on the use of ancient constants, intentionally or not.

    Exactly.
    Does that not argue my point?
    I hope so. Your point was posed as a question.
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