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    Plate tectonics describes the complex structure of the complex, living planet in a State of dynamic flux.
    Plate tectonics was a important improvement over previous theories, but it is about to become outdated.
    Come back to us when a viable alternative theory is published in reliable peer reviewed journals and accepted by the geophysical community...
    Here is the one to revive Plate Tectonics, though neither "published in reliable peer reviewed journals" no "accepted by the geophysical community" :-)
    http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot.com/
    Plates are moved by forces that originate within the divergent boundaries due to Moon's induced plate deformations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergey S.
    Here is the one to revive Plate Tectonics, though neither "published in reliable peer reviewed journals" no "accepted by the geophysical community" :-)
    http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot.com/
    Plates are moved by forces that originate within the divergent boundaries due to Moon's induced plate deformations.
    Not even true.
    Doglioni is pushing something like that. And it is published in peer-reviewed journals and so on: Can Earth's rotation and tidal despinning drive plate tectonics?


    PS: Please, open a new thread if you want to discuss your stuff. This one is already sufficiently difficult to follow.


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    in order not to confuse the ongoing discussion in "plate tectonics", separated the above posts in a separate thread
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    in order not to confuse the ongoing discussion in "plate tectonics", separated the above posts in a separate thread
    thank you. Stereo insanity is deafening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by florian
    Quote Originally Posted by Sergey S.
    Here is the one to revive Plate Tectonics, though neither "published in reliable peer reviewed journals" no "accepted by the geophysical community" :-)
    http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot.com/
    Plates are moved by forces that originate within the divergent boundaries due to Moon's induced plate deformations.
    Not even true.
    That was a suggestion "Plates are moved by forces that originate within the divergent boundaries due to Moon's induced plate deformations." http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot...spreading.html Is it true? My argument is this post.

    Doglioni is pushing something like that.
    It was Wegener who proposed that the tidal influence of the Moon was capable of moving the continents. I can't say if the article you mentioned suggests a specific mechanism how the force is developed. In the post on my blog I suggested the mechanism "Divergent Boundaries Spreading Mechanism By Magma Solidifying In The Crust Ruptures Caused By Moon/Sun Induced Crust Deformations.
    " http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot...spreading.html

    I don't ask you to believe in the mechanism, but if you could try for a moment, you would derive interesting conclusions from it. Just to name a few:

    - no need in hot-spots beneath oceanic ridges. The hot-spots, in my opinion, just can't produce claimed magma jets because the Coriolis Effect won't allow it. It's easy to draw circles of magma flows on Earth picture, but impossible to suggest how could they manage to flow within the rotating Earth, especially the counter-clockwise ones (if seen from North Pole). (see "Ridge Push, Or Bridge Over Troubled Magma." http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot...-troubled.html )

    - no need in "Mantle convection model" which is postulated to be driven by magma flows (again check the Coriolis Effect and also take into account highly irregular structure of viscous stuff beneath plates).

    - no need in plumes to explain intra-plate volcanoes (see "Intraplate Magma Transport. The Concept Of Moving Transition Zone. http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot...mechanism.html )

    - the cycle the continents would get cast away and then gathered together is calculated (see "The Ring Of Fire cycle approx 300 million years." in "Continental Formation And Evolution Revisited. " http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot...lution_18.html )

    - no need to postulate some mountain formation issues, say, how did India plate managed to jam much stronger oceanic crust into up to 100 km depth regular structure without jamming itself. (see "8. Tibet/Himalayan creation." in "Continental Formation And Evolution Revisited. " http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot...lution_18.html )

    - The concept of Plate can be re-arranged to fit better the evolving science. (See "Plate Tectonics. Thinking Out Of The Sphere. " http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot...-of-plate.html )

    New concept of Plate.
    1. Solid layer.
    1.1 Upper solid layer - crust, can be investigated by mechanical tools.
    1.2 Bottom solid layer, too hot to be investigated by mechanical tools.
    2. Transition layer. Here seismic wave speed would undergo, say, 10% to 90% of its speed change.
    3. Viscous layer.
    3.1 Upper viscous layer, persistent to the plate on the course of, say, 10 million years.
    3.2 Bottom viscous layer, participates in magma recycling process;

    - etc, etc.

    Of course, the proposed concept is too simplified to embrace many, often essential points, but I, think, it is worth consideration to be used as an argumentation against the Plate Tectonics opponents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    in order not to confuse the ongoing discussion in "plate tectonics", separated the above posts in a separate thread
    Thank you. Could you, please, rename this thread to "Moon induced plate deformations to cause divergent boundaries uplift magma, spread oceanic floor, and drive plates."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergey S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergey S.
    Here is the one to revive Plate Tectonics, though neither "published in reliable peer reviewed journals" no "accepted by the geophysical community" :-)
    http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot.com/
    Plates are moved by forces that originate within the divergent boundaries due to Moon's induced plate deformations.
    Not even true.
    That was a suggestion "Plates are moved by forces that originate within the divergent boundaries due to Moon's induced plate deformations." http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot...spreading.html Is it true? My argument is this post.
    By writing "not even true", I meant that it was published in peer-reviewed journal.

    Now, my opinion: yes, the rotation of earth and tidal effect are important. But this is not the most important. The most important is that there are advective mantle flows toward the surface, and that close to the surface, these flows become affected by Earth's rotation and the tidal effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergey S.
    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    in order not to confuse the ongoing discussion in "plate tectonics", separated the above posts in a separate thread
    Thank you. Could you, please, rename this thread to "Moon induced plate deformations to cause divergent boundaries uplift magma, spread oceanic floor, and drive plates."
    could you propose a shorter title ? i'm not exactly sure what the limit is, but your proposed title definitely is too long to fit
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    I like your humour Sergey (e.g. Bridge over troubled magma). I'm not so sure about your science. You say this in one of your blogs - "The problem with the approach is that I can't imagine the speed of the mantle upwelling to dynamically maintain heavy rock above the floor level at hundreds meters (if not kilometers)."

    Surely this is one of those logical fallacies? It doesn't really matter whether you can imagine it or not, that won't stop it happening. You need to provide some mathematics/physics that shows it to be impossible or unlikely.

    My impression is that geophysicists have done the reverse and demonstrated that the observed elevations are consistent with material properties, temperatures, densities, growth rates, etc. I emphasise this is an impression - I don't have references to hand. I'll await your reply in order to see if I need to find them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    Quote Originally Posted by Sergey S.
    Could you, please, rename this thread to "Moon induced plate deformations to cause divergent boundaries uplift magma, spread oceanic floor, and drive plates."
    could you propose a shorter title ? i'm not exactly sure what the limit is, but your proposed title definitely is too long to fit
    I think, I see your point, many forum members use portable or other devices with limited screen resolution. On a desktop monitor the 16-word subject would take much less than its screen width. This is science-related community. Of course, I'd prefer the subject to be in full 16-words. If this is not possible for some reason, could you, please, leave as many words as can be accepted and place 3 dots at the end.

    Thank you,
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    Formation Of Mountain Ridges by Broken Process Of Subduction Of A Tectonic Plate.
    http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt
    ...You say this in one of your blogs - "The problem with the approach is that I can't imagine the speed of the mantle upwelling to dynamically maintain heavy rock above the floor level at hundreds meters (if not kilometers)."

    Surely this is one of those logical fallacies? It doesn't really matter whether you can imagine it or not, that won't stop it happening...
    I should have written "My problem with the approach ..."
    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt
    You say this in one of your blogs - "The problem with the approach is that I can't imagine the speed of the mantle upwelling to dynamically maintain heavy rock above the floor level at hundreds meters (if not kilometers)."
    Sounds like another misunderstanding of the relation between dynamics and isostatic equilibrium?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt
    ...My impression is that geophysicists have done the reverse and demonstrated that the observed elevations are consistent with material properties, temperatures, densities, growth rates, etc. I emphasise this is an impression - I don't have references to hand. I'll await your reply in order to see if I need to find them.
    The proposed concept of "plate deformations to cause divergent boundaries uplift magma, spread oceanic floor, and drive plates" lets us suggest green mechanism of mountain formations and suggest a scenario of developing associated earthquakes and tsunamis.

    Formation Of Mountain Ridges by Broken Process Of Subduction Of A Tectonic Plate.
    http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot...eeping-it.html

    Broken Subduction To Cause Earthquake And Tsunami.
    http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot...arthquake.html

    I'd like to think it would be acceptable to paste here a quote from the above posts as the proposed mechanism is well within the mainstream theory of Earth evolution - Plate Tectonics. One of the most criticized Plate Tectonics' points, the theory of Himalaya/Tibet formation, may not necessarily require tremendous forces.
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    Formation Of Mountain Ridges by Broken Process Of Subduction Of A Tectonic Plate.

    Generally accepted theory on Himalaya/Tibet formation is the collision between two continents. Tremendous forces are believed to had applied to the continents to form the mountain system. But, can other mechanism be suggested, the mechanism to demand less energy/forces to create the mountain system? Let's try to suggest one.

    When an oceanic plate is getting subducted, what would happen to a divergent boundary on the subduction? The divergent boundary is a very thin, not yet fully solidified, highly irregular, and, therefore, weak juncture between plates. The bending stress of subduction would just cut loose the subducting chunk of the plate. The loose chunk would pop-up along the viscous border of the continent to form a mountain ridge. Other divergent boundaries and, probably, other irregularities in the plate would add more ridges to the continent.

    I'd like to think, "The Ring OF Fire" systems of ridges and some other systems were created by the mechanism described above. To check the concept let's take Himalaya:
    1. Himalaya system is quite close to the point of start/collapse of The Ring Of Fire (see "10. Persistent location of the point of start/collapse of The Ring Of Fire " http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot...lution_18.html ) Thus, we would expect all the oceanic crust to go here mainly from the center of The Ring Of Fire, that is from South East. So, the boundaries' butt ends, I'd expect to look in South East direction.
    2. The deep anomalies should align in the same SE or NW direction.
    3. Magnetic anomalies of mountains along a ridge should maintain similar alignments.
    4. The ridge system should look paradoxically young, as exposed are only newly formed boundaries' butt ends.
    etc etc.

    The ridge systems of the described nature, I would expect, could be found far from a continent's borders as The Ring Of Fire is developing many cycles, adding more area to the continent on each cycle.
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    reposted from http://divergent-boundaries.blogspot...eeping-it.html
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