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    We hear tell that by and large, lightning is rare out over the ocean. If we could change that, wouldn't it take some punch out of our hurricanes?


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    My educated guess is lightning is a tiny fraction of the total energy of a hurricane. I've been through a couple tropical storms; compared to Midwest thunderstorm complexes many of us might be familiar with, tropical storms aren't that electrically active.

    I'll see later if I can come up with some reasonable estimate assuming total energy is proportional to the rainfall under the storm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox
    My educated guess is lightning is a tiny fraction of the total energy of a hurricane.
    My intended implication was that we might suffer less if maritime storms could be influenced to engage more lightning formation than they do. The hope might be in providing more natural dissipation of the energy that gathers into a storm. Such relief might make up for relatively unbridled venue for energy buildup presently encountered. Terrestrial storms are encumbered with irregularities of the surface, trees, parked cars, houses and barns, as well as the energy dispersing phenomena of lightning and electrically charged rain. If those ocean storms took a little beating before making landfall they would go a little easier upon us.

    The delightful thing about electric storms is that they distribute some energy far from where it can keep the hurricane ball rolling. Nevertheless, to me, the advantage seems a mere unmeasured step in the right direction that we need not underestimate.

    If we can determine why maritime storms are so lacking in thunderbolts we might learn how to reduce ferocity of the hurricanes that breed out there.
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    OP:

    How about instead put a conducting debris in the water it moves over to remove some of it's charge, thereby reducing its intensity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalemiller
    We hear tell that by and large, lightning is rare out over the ocean. If we could change that, wouldn't it take some punch out of our hurricanes?
    Where did you hear this? I am skeptical as to its accuracy.

    edited to correct typing/spelling error.
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    [quote=Ophiolite][quote=:Where did you here this? I am skeptical as to its accuracy.[/quote]

    There is a nice map here:
    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...01/ast05dec_1/

    I disagree with NASA's fancies about the subject but this data looks good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalemiller

    I disagree with NASA's fancies about the subject...
    Just curious what you mean.
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    [quote=dalemiller][quote=Ophiolite]
    Quote Originally Posted by :Where did you here this? I am skeptical as to its accuracy.[/quote
    I am surprised, but convinced. I note levels are quite high over the South China and Java Seas. I was basing my skepticism in part on personal experience in these areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox
    Quote Originally Posted by dalemiller

    I disagree with NASA's fancies about the subject...
    Just curious what you mean.
    They do not know how lightning is formed and stopped answering the phone seven years ago when I figured it out and sought to reveal it to them. It is duck soup for an electronic technician if he thinks about it long enough. It took me sixty years. It is not from any rubbing of ice crystals as NASA seems still to suppose.

    Heat taken up in evaporation of water is converted to electrical energy upon condensation if the vapor has by then become ionized from the normal atmospheric negative bias. Charged rain and lightning can then carry such energy away from storm-spawning locations.

    The anointed can learn of said atmospheric electric bias only after learning their way around a Faraday cage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalemiller
    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox
    Quote Originally Posted by dalemiller

    I disagree with NASA's fancies about the subject...
    Just curious what you mean.
    They do not know how lightning is formed and stopped answering the phone seven years ago when I figured it out and sought to reveal it to them. It is duck soup for an electronic technician if he thinks about it long enough. It took me sixty years. It is not from any rubbing of ice crystals as NASA seems still to suppose.

    Heat taken up in evaporation of water is converted to electrical energy upon condensation if the vapor has by then become ionized from the normal atmospheric negative bias. Charged rain and lightning can then carry such energy away from storm-spawning locations.

    The anointed can learn of said atmospheric electric bias only after learning their way around a Faraday cage.
    Lead us the way & Tell us how it could aid us while it moves towards the oilleak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    Quote Originally Posted by dalemiller
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    I disagree with NASA's fancies about the subject...
    Just curious what you mean.
    They do not know how lightning is formed and stopped answering the phone seven years ago when I figured it out and sought to reveal it to them. It is duck soup for an electronic technician if he thinks about it long enough. It took me sixty years. It is not from any rubbing of ice crystals as NASA seems still to suppose.

    Heat taken up in evaporation of water is converted to electrical energy upon condensation if the vapor has by then become ionized from the normal atmospheric negative bias. Charged rain and lightning can then carry such energy away from storm-spawning locations.

    The anointed can learn of said atmospheric electric bias only after learning their way around a Faraday cage.
    Lead us the way & Tell us how it could aid us while it moves towards the oilleak.
    Cannot yet imagine ploy against inbound, accomplished hurricane. My poor best at stopping oil leak is to drive liquid nitrogen through chambers enveloping pipe far below breach. (Install such chambers first.) Keep it up until gusher slows. If gusher slows, keep keeping it up till gusher stops. If gusher doesn't slow, try harder. If gushing stops, plug it with a modest tap for future extraction.

    Now back to hurricane prevention or discouragement: If my own supposition applied on why lightning is rare where hurricanes spawn, the fix might be distribution of ionization stations forcing electrons into the maritime atmosphere to compete with true terrestrial Fair Weather Current. Hardly a real big deal figuring total FWC for Earth is mere thousands of amps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalemiller
    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalemiller

    I disagree with NASA's fancies about the subject...
    Just curious what you mean.
    They do not know how lightning is formed and stopped answering the phone seven years ago when I figured it out and sought to reveal it to them. It is duck soup for an electronic technician if he thinks about it long enough. It took me sixty years. It is not from any rubbing of ice crystals as NASA seems still to suppose.

    Heat taken up in evaporation of water is converted to electrical energy upon condensation if the vapor has by then become ionized from the normal atmospheric negative bias. Charged rain and lightning can then carry such energy away from storm-spawning locations.

    The anointed can learn of said atmospheric electric bias only after learning their way around a Faraday cage.
    Lead us the way & Tell us how it could aid us while it moves towards the oilleak.
    Cannot yet imagine ploy against inbound, accomplished hurricane. My poor best at stopping oil leak is to drive liquid nitrogen through chambers enveloping pipe far below breach. (Install such chambers first.) Keep it up until gusher slows. If gusher slows, keep keeping it up till gusher stops. If gusher doesn't slow, try harder. If gushing stops, plug it with a modest tap for future extraction.

    Now back to hurricane prevention or discouragement: If my own supposition applied on why lightning is rare where hurricanes spawn, the fix might be distribution of ionization stations forcing electrons into the maritime atmosphere to compete with true terrestrial Fair Weather Current. Hardly a real big deal figuring total FWC for Earth is mere thousands of amps.
    So basically you want more friction high up in the hurricane? So what we'd need is to release cotton into it?

    I suppose a lightning into the oil would've been dangerous though?

    So I suppose a conducter far away from the oil would've been good too?

    Could the hurricanes charge be used to lead it from the oil though? Not right?
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    OK! I took my eye off the ball and let myself get snookered by a jester. My objective was actually to share interest in certain intriguing questions, not to push my answers for them. The maritime lightning question can be shared without the clout of credibility that would be required to sell the answer. Like, what is common to the oceans that has some bearing on electricity? There's gotta be a reason!

    1. The top surface of the oceans stay pretty much down at sea level. a. That is almost an exclusive on how low can you get and still walk around. b. That minimum altitude suggests a minimization of effects encountered with Faraday's ice pail.
    2. If our planet has an electrical charge (Meaning here, more charged particles of one polarity than the other.), where do we expect to find the charged particles once they pause or come to rest?

    We can know that both the sun and earth bear electrical charge of the same polarity. Electrostatic repulsion of our electro-sphere away from the sun should tell any short wave ham (do they still hang out?) the truth of that. It would have to be either positive or negative. If I tell you which polarity, book learned scholars who don't understand shout me down. (psst: it is negative)

    In the last seven years of my retirement, unanswered questions have showed me the promise that the answer to one is the tool to the answer of another.
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