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    The long term survival of all species depends on maintaining their ecosystems. Would that be true or false?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kstroik
    The long term survival of all species depends on maintaining their ecosystems. Would that be true or false?
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    Not really. If a man must depend upon the climate of earth to survive. He is pretty well reduced to an animal.

    We had the technology ready to go to make other planets habitable in the early sixties. However mankind is not ready to leave its warlike ways.

    So we cannot have science and those that want war at the same time. It makes those that want war look insanely stupid.

    We opted for war.


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    William, as far as i understood the OP, the topic was the survival of all species, not just humans alone
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by kstroik
    The long term survival of all species depends on maintaining their ecosystems. Would that be true or false?
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    Absolutely true. But this solution reeks of embalming fluid and opposes life's nature. Evolution is survival too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kstroik
    The long term survival of all species depends on maintaining their ecosystems. Would that be true or false?
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    True, kstroit, if you consider the Universe their Ecosystem, but hey, what species can maintain the Universe?

    But false, kstroit, if you consider their current enviroment their Ecosystem. A species is only a species as long as it can become another species if that is what the Universe requires.

    But you should still clean your house and comb your hair.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    ...However mankind is not ready to leave its warlike ways.

    So we cannot have science and those that want war at the same time. It makes those that want war look insanely stupid.

    We opted for war.

    Sincerely,

    William McCormick
    Huh? Who is this "we" that wants war, McCormick? If "we" do not want war but the other "we" wants us dead, how goes our long term survival if "we" hang garlands of flowers around their necks as "we" are bayoneted.

    () Peace in our Time.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by kstroik
    The long term survival of all species depends on maintaining their ecosystems. Would that be true or false?
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    It's a confusing question. Each species has a preferred range of ecosystems which they depend on--yes if you remove it the species will usually die off--or change and adapt, sometimes into an entirely new species.
     

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    Consider the rabbit. It evolved (I think) in temperate climates with abundant greenery, yet when introduced to arid Australia it thrived and is now a destructive pest. Its original habitat could disappear completely but the species would continue to thrive in a dramatically different environment.
     

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    correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought the original home of the rabbit was the mediterranean, which, whilst not exactly desert, is more arid than western europe
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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick

    Not really. If a man must depend upon the climate of earth to survive. He is pretty well reduced to an animal.
    Uhh unless something happened while I was in the restroom we are animals.

    Animalia-> Chordata-> Vertebrata-> Mammalia-> Primates-> Hominidiae-> Homo-> H. sapiens

    so unless we got moved to our own Phylum (making all of Animalia paraphyletic) we are animals.

    gotta love biology
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought the original home of the rabbit was the mediterranean, which, whilst not exactly desert, is more arid than western europe
    That may be so. I think the point is still valid, that organisms are neither perfectly nor exclusively adapted to an environment. If rabbits evolved in a Mediterranean environment, yet can thrive from Scotland to Australia this argues against the proposition that “The long term survival of all species depends on maintaining their ecosystems.” The ecosystem in which rabbits evolved could be destroyed but they could survive and breed (like rabbits) in many environments, apparently with great success.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick

    Not really. If a man must depend upon the climate of earth to survive. He is pretty well reduced to an animal.
    Uhh unless something happened while I was in the restroom we are animals.

    Animalia-> Chordata-> Vertebrata-> Mammalia-> Primates-> Hominidiae-> Homo-> H. sapiens

    so unless we got moved to our own Phylum (making all of Animalia paraphyletic) we are animals.

    gotta love biology
    Yes, ain't it the truth, some of us are animals and some of us are animals plus. For example, I am an animal plus and Paleoichneum is just a plain animal, as he himself admits.

    The only requirement for becoming an animal plus is in the self-recognition that you are one, and in that, your very being doesn't end at the end of your epidermis and necessarily includes the supporting environment, and extends even to all folks of your own kind.

    Animals huddle in fear of the coming glaciers while we animals-pluses begin to store a massive amount of heat in the oceans just to save all of God's animals, big and small, from extinction.

    Ain't we grand! :-D
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by milum
    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick

    Not really. If a man must depend upon the climate of earth to survive. He is pretty well reduced to an animal.
    Uhh unless something happened while I was in the restroom we are animals.

    Animalia-> Chordata-> Vertebrata-> Mammalia-> Primates-> Hominidiae-> Homo-> H. sapiens

    so unless we got moved to our own Phylum (making all of Animalia paraphyletic) we are animals.

    gotta love biology
    Yes, ain't it the truth, some of us are animals and some of us are animals plus. For example, I am an animal plus and Paleoichneum is just a plain animal, as he himself admits.

    The only requirement for becoming an animal plus is in the self-recognition that you are one, and in that, your very being doesn't end at the end of your epidermis and necessarily includes the supporting environment, and extends even to all folks of your own kind.

    Animals huddle in fear of the coming glaciers while we animals-pluses begin to store a massive amount of heat in the oceans just to save all of God's animals, big and small, from extinction.

    Ain't we grand! :-D
    Extinction is a fact of life and the glaciers are retreating not expanding.

    Ohh! along those tines we are STILL waiting for the references you promised in the "Global warming" thread here http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewt...5717&start=105
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunbury
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    Naturalized success is most obvious in plants, because their phenotype in new environments is often monstrously vigorous. Introductions to the New World like Himalaya blackberry, Scotch broom, and English Ivy are not only invasive "weeds" but the individual plants grow dramatically bigger and better in many foreign habitats.

    The common potato, originally native to highlands Peru, was there a poor substitute for the "batata" sweet potato deliberately cultivated in the same soil. Ironically this shabby mountain survivor now thrives everywhere but in its former habitat.

    I've grown transplanted wasabi in the Pacific Northwest, with phenotype so robust Japanese could hardly believe they were viewing familiar plants. Also naturalized bamboo and rhododendrons in the boring forests here. I'd really like to establish arbutus trees elsewhere on the Pacific Rim, as their native phenotype is sickly and the species hardly scrapes by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
    Extinction is a fact of life and the glaciers are retreating not expanding.
    Not so, Paleo, and we are living proof of a non-extinct species.

    Now let's address your denial of glaciers...

    Do you deny that about 3,000,000 years ago the geo-migration of the Isthmus of Panama stopped the interchange of warm waters between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans?

    Do you deny that without the moderating effect of that equatoral circulation our Earth entered into a Glacial Period that continues unto this day.

    Certainly you don't deny that the short Interglacial Periods between the real long Glacial Periods are getting shorter and are now only about 10,000 years in duration. (Good thing; during the last Interglacial sea levels rose to about six feet higher than they are today. Big deal)

    We are overdue for a Glacial Period. This is not based on computer simulations and junk science. This is based on the the physical record left by ten billion tons of rocks littered in temperate zones everwhere by retreating glaciers.

    Ok, Paleoicheuim, which would you rather be... cold or hot?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by milum
    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
    Extinction is a fact of life and the glaciers are retreating not expanding.
    Not so, Paleo, and we are living proof of a non-extinct species.

    well obviously, but 99.999999% of all species ever have gone extinct. It's only a matter of time. I don't see how him saying extinction is a fact of life is rebutted by us being not extinct. A swing and a miss.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by milum
    we are living proof of a non-extinct species.
    We're living proof that those before us are extinct. Species extinction is often no more morbid than an adaptation and name change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mormoopid
    Quote Originally Posted by milum
    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
    Extinction is a fact of life and the glaciers are retreating not expanding.
    Not so, Paleo, and we are living proof of a non-extinct species.

    well obviously, but 99.999999% of all species ever have gone extinct. It's only a matter of time. I don't see how him saying extinction is a fact of life is rebutted by us being not extinct. A swing and a miss.
    Aw, come on, mormoopid, we are hot! We are the cat's pajamas! We might just be the species that transcends extinction. Who you gonna bet on...Cockroaches?

    Now think about what you said (you don't want people to think you mormoopid, do you?) and listen...

    Do you like graptolites? Graptolites went extinct 400,000,000 years ago. Or did they? Today some paleontologists think that they are us, that is, our ancestors. I don't, but they could be. You see, morm, a "species" is an arbitrary designation contrived for our convenience. We all are, in DNA fact, ultimately all related to most extant life forms today... except maybe snakes. I hate snakes. But I am still extant. :-D

    EDIT: YOU CAN IGNORE WHAT I WROTE AND JUST READ WHAT PONG WROTE ABOVE.
     

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    Sill waiting for those climate references........................................ ........
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by milum
    we are hot! We are the cat's pajamas! We might just be the species that transcends extinction.
    It's true. But didn't' the elites of unicellular organisms once hold those titles? Then what? Ah heck, multi-cell eukaryotes... unbelievable. That's cheating. Still I'm sure there's a lone unconnected neuron in my brain that is like, so boss, 'cause it owns over any other cell. My point is that homo sapiens individuals may be cogs, and the species itself may be a cog. It's happened before. The Gaians show one way it's sort of happening already. Then the ideal of "we" transcending extinction is small-minded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
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    we are hot! We are the cat's pajamas! We might just be the species that transcends extinction.
    It's true. But didn't' the elites of unicellular organisms once hold those titles? Then what? Ah heck, multi-cell eukaryotes... unbelievable. That's cheating. Still I'm sure there's a lone unconnected neuron in my brain that is like, so boss, 'cause it owns over any other cell. My point is that homo sapiens individuals may be cogs, and the species itself may be a cog. It's happened before. The Gaians show one way it's sort of happening already. Then the ideal of "we" transcending extinction is small-minded.



    Semantics, Pong. If "we" as representatives of matter win instead of those vacuumous and evil representatives of non-matter, then "we" have transcended extinction, and so it becomes not small minded for "us" to figuratively toot our own horn.

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    I'm not sure we disagree. :?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    I'm not sure we disagree. :?
    And I'm not sure we are holding hands. () But we are.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by milum
    Aw, come on, mormoopid, we are hot! We are the cat's pajamas! We might just be the species that transcends extinction. Who you gonna bet on...Cockroaches?
    reminds me of the apocryphal story about the man who fell from the empire state building who claimed to be in perfect health mere seconds before he hit the pavement

    the fact that as a species we've survived for the grand total of a few 100,000 years is no guarantee for continued survival ad infinitum - after all, 2 million years ago there were several hominid species, and where are they now ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    William, as far as i understood the OP, the topic was the survival of all species, not just humans alone
    If we go, any powerful, celestial incident could wipe out the whole of earth. A bacteria strain could be created by natural or man made selection. That could wipe out all mammals and or birds and reptiles. The same is true of a virus.

    A fungus, or pestilence could attack most or all vegetation. A long term volcanic eruption might send the world back into the ice age. Only man could alter the effects of such things.

    But to do it, we would have to wield in numbers excellent science. That would mean that massive power that would be considered perpetual motion in nature, would exist at our grasp.
    Meaning that the annihilation of a nation would be a push button away. A quick planing before breakfast.
    Although this does not frighten men of God. It does create panic and paranoia in those that would misuse those assets for personal gain. Or seek goals of a few men, rather then the goals of mankind and God.
    They believe that their neighbor would use such weapons on them while they are striving towards God. But they do not work for God so that is their speculation, and pessimism. Not the reality.



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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    If we go, any powerful, celestial incident could wipe out the whole of earth. A bacteria strain could be created by natural or man made selection. That could wipe out all mammals and or birds and reptiles. The same is true of a virus.

    A fungus, or pestilence could attack most or all vegetation. A long term volcanic eruption might send the world back into the ice age. Only man could alter the effects of such things.

    But to do it, we would have to wield in numbers excellent science. That would mean that massive power that would be considered perpetual motion in nature, would exist at our grasp.
    Meaning that the annihilation of a nation would be a push button away. A quick planing before breakfast.
    Although this does not frighten men of God. It does create panic and paranoia in those that would misuse those assets for personal gain. Or seek goals of a few men, rather then the goals of mankind and God.
    They believe that their neighbor would use such weapons on them while they are striving towards God. But they do not work for God so that is their speculation, and pessimism. Not the reality.
    wtf are you on about ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by milum
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    ...However mankind is not ready to leave its warlike ways.

    So we cannot have science and those that want war at the same time. It makes those that want war look insanely stupid.

    We opted for war.

    Sincerely,

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    Huh? Who is this "we" that wants war, McCormick? If "we" do not want war but the other "we" wants us dead, how goes our long term survival if "we" hang garlands of flowers around their necks as "we" are bayoneted.

    () Peace in our Time.
    You have no enemies, your laziness did not create. The collapse of your science, math morals, and the adoption of mans laws, over Gods laws, are your only enemy. The only thing killing you. The only thing killing anyone.

    The people bayonetting you, are just the messengers of your poor lifestyle.
    I have no enemies.

    Look I watched the Twin Towers being built. The funny thing was they were condemned by New York City inspectors. Those men were let go. The union called the building a piece of garbage, in the seventies. Some unions walked off, because it was junk. Citizens protested the building every night on TV.

    I understand the lower paid unions taking the work though. I have nothing against them at all. I bet they even wished they were getting the right pay and that the building was much better designed.

    The fear as the building was going up, was that it would collapse in the first few floors, and the whole weight of the building would hit the ground many times. And cause such a shaking of Manhattan that a man made tidal wave could actually be created by the effect. They thought it could actually damage the Empire State Building. Some by seeing the design thought that was the purpose of its being built. To take down the Empire State building.

    The Towers were slated to be torn down a couple times. But the real fears of taking it down, through demolition, were premature collapse. So frightened officials kept putting it off.

    Well, you see what comes of laziness and lack of quality. Weakness. It is an invite. When you are claiming power, morals, strength, quality living, and condemning others for their lack of those things. You invite your weaknesses to be tested.

    We are telling everyone we are right, we are strong, shut up and listen to us.

    We are weak, we are immoral.

    God only lets happen what is Godly.

    Sincerely,


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
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    The long term survival of all species depends on maintaining their ecosystems. Would that be true or false?
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    Absolutely true. But this solution reeks of embalming fluid and opposes life's nature. Evolution is survival too.
    It is funny but I have never heard a garbage man, carpenter, engineer, firemen, policeman, give the order to go to war.

    It is always a law maker. It often takes weeks of begging the public for support.

    It is always after the law maker failed in life at dealing with his neighbors. Failed at his job.
    Now if I fail at my duties can I go and kill those that do not like my work, and don't want to pay me, or want to sue me? Have a big war on their front lawn or at their business? I can make some sweet explosives. I mean take down their whole neighborhood? And then get their families?

    This is what you condone everyday. Man is not meant to live under law makers. One is enough. God will do. Science is the law. Our science is so bad that law makers can flourish.

    How many species in the dessert were killed by law makers when they launched dessert storm? I don't like most dessert creatures especially the wind spiders, so I don't really care. But you get the idea. We crush stuff everyday, at the command of fools that I would not let touch my pet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    Now if I fail at my duties can I go and kill those that do not like my work, and don't want to pay me, or want to sue me? Have a big war on their front lawn or at their business? I can make some sweet explosives. I mean take down their whole neighborhood? And then get their families?
    A pleasant fantasy perhaps. But you're a builder not a destroyer. A problem-solver not a troublemaker. You know what you're best at. I know sometimes one just has to keep drudging.. like a pack animal... over the bad patches. Don't quit. The world needs people like you doing just what you've done and more of it.
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    can anyone enlighten me what william's posts have to do with the subject of the OP ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    can anyone enlighten me what william's posts have to do with the subject of the OP ?
    Well, the original question, seemed almost rhetorical to me. Just to put our minds to work in that area. Wake us up to the reality of what man is to the eco system. If there is a real eco system anymore. And not a man made eco system.

    We have seen already that man has supplied the man-made ecosystem to hold the last of almost extinct creatures in the wild. Created man made sanctuaries for them. Often their introduction kills other species. Ha-ha.

    Often the endangered species come back into the wild after a natural or man made disaster is gone.

    So, to me the question was kind of leading to "we need a real space program". If we do not get back to where we left off on space travel, 50 years ago, yes many kinds of animals will be extinct.
    Man is encroaching upon what was the wild animals home at one time. Without a space program the eco system that kept the animals alive will be gone.

    I thought I got to the point of the original question rather well. It is yes and no. Man is the only creature that can make and alter an eco system. And does often with harmful effects to animals. Because the animals were considered an acceptable loss.

    When you see those people who protest hunting and guns. You almost have to laugh as their money is putting up "green" environmentally friendly houses, condos and cities, where the animals native to the area, will soon be extinct.

    As well as making it difficult for the humans native to the area to make a living in the normal trades, that will no longer exist. If all this was faced by someone with a larger scope. We would just keep our nose to the grind stone, and get the space program started again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    If we go, any powerful, celestial incident could wipe out the whole of earth. A bacteria strain could be created by natural or man made selection. That could wipe out all mammals and or birds and reptiles. The same is true of a virus.

    A fungus, or pestilence could attack most or all vegetation. A long term volcanic eruption might send the world back into the ice age. Only man could alter the effects of such things.

    But to do it, we would have to wield in numbers excellent science. That would mean that massive power that would be considered perpetual motion in nature, would exist at our grasp.
    Meaning that the annihilation of a nation would be a push button away. A quick planing before breakfast.
    Although this does not frighten men of God. It does create panic and paranoia in those that would misuse those assets for personal gain. Or seek goals of a few men, rather then the goals of mankind and God.
    They believe that their neighbor would use such weapons on them while they are striving towards God. But they do not work for God so that is their speculation, and pessimism. Not the reality.
    wtf are you on about ?
    I was just saying that only those that have their mind in the dark under world, do not have a button to annihilate themselves or any nation. They have limited knowledge or control of the eco system.

    Because in their mind the thought of power, at the press of a button, could make them feared and powerful, just by pressing a button. That is not even how they feel, but that is how they think. This wrong thinking leads them to wrong conclusions about their neighbors thinking.

    This leads to nations disassembling their defenses, there to protect all nations. If only from a madman (a sick person) in any nation.

    Those that fear guns would probably misuse them, if only in their very wrong pessimistic mind. Taking away guns, is to hide that they are willing to let others starve or go homeless, or be poor, to keep their life style. However they do not want those individuals they are starving or making homeless to have a gun. Ha-ha. I wonder why?

    In other words the elite today actually live a very dog eat dog lifestyle that they try to hide with fancy homes, cars and clothes. To give them the appearance they have life licked. I know better. I have seen their chaos. I know better where they live then they do. Their collapse is imminent.
    They are hiding that their actual worth to society is next to nothing, they make and do no actual deeds that are worth the money they control.
    They hide the amount of money they need, to control the many others needed to support their lifestyle. The fancy house clothes and car, in their name takes away from all the actual individuals that actually have the skills to build the house, car and clothes.

    While the real craftsmen that could build the same house for less, and of ten times the quality. Are forced to build garbage for fools, in actuality. Because of poor planing, by owner and architect alike. The owner of the house is busy trading real estate, buying and selling it like baseball cards. To me this does nothing for anyone else. It accomplishes nothing. But we as a nation often hail a real estate mogul as a God.

    A real estate mogul knows nothing of the community he buys in. He comes along and smashes things, built with a purpose of bettering the community. To build a Mall or condo, to make a quick profit.
    In some parts of the nation now. These huge man made structures are being reclaimed by nature. Parking lots of abandoned malls across the nation, are being reclaimed by foliage. It was a rather disheartening sight to see. If anyone was in control of the country none of that would have been built.

    A normal individual with a large scope, keeps the highest science at his side at all times. Because he is not afraid of science being used against him. Because he is alive and uses his soul, if you will, to process the whole picture or problem.
    He does not, just turn on his computing skills, in a limited scenario and apply math formulas, with limited solutions. Like playing a video game, with very little reality or responsibility for anything.

    The living, motivate through knowledge for all. They have no limitations or forced actions.

    Many today live within a tiny scope of life. They are in a video game, life is not real to them. Yet they are promoted to high positions, and are easily controlled, themselves. By those that care little about anyone. They are mathematically scheming to amass money.

    This is the only thing I could think of that you might not have understood.


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    can anyone enlighten me what william's posts have to do with the subject of the OP ?
    Well, the original question, seemed almost rhetorical to me.
    the original question ("The long term survival of all species depends on maintaining their ecosystems. Would that be true or false?"), whilst rather vague (e.g. what do you mean by long-term ?), appears anything but rhetorical to me

    however, since kstroik has only posted this 1 post + has not clarified his position one way or another, it has become a question that has been given multiple interpretations and hence the conversation appears to have veered away from the original topic

    suggest we put it out of its misery + close it
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
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    can anyone enlighten me what william's posts have to do with the subject of the OP ?
    Well, the original question, seemed almost rhetorical to me.
    the original question ("The long term survival of all species depends on maintaining their ecosystems. Would that be true or false?"), whilst rather vague (e.g. what do you mean by long-term ?), appears anything but rhetorical to me

    however, since kstroik has only posted this 1 post + has not clarified his position one way or another, it has become a question that has been given multiple interpretations and hence the conversation appears to have veered away from the original topic

    suggest we put it out of its misery + close it

    We have already destroyed the natural eco system. By creating products that do not occur naturally.

    The natural eco system is not necessary for all species to survive. However all species cannot survive even with the natural eco system intact. As has been shown by all historical evidence. Some things will survive in any eco system that is left. By all historical evidence.

    To me the question was, a reminder that we have no space program, so we have a double jeopardy to face. We are destroying the natural eco system. And simultaneously not, preparing for its collapse.

    Maybe I was reading to much into it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
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    can anyone enlighten me what william's posts have to do with the subject of the OP ?
    Well, the original question, seemed almost rhetorical to me.


    ...[I] suggest we put it [this thread] out of its misery + close it

    We have already destroyed the natural eco system. By creating products that do not occur naturally. Sincerely.
    William, good buddy, there is no "natural eco system". Like it or not WE and our actions are as "natural" as flies around a monkey's butt.

    Are volcano's natural? Are novacating stars natural? So are we.

    In the name of the absent kstroik and all of Earth's creatures both good and bad, I hereby do declare that ...

    THIS THREAD IS CLOSED!
     

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    amen to that
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