Thread: The Perfect Crime

Is it possible to commit any crime and get away with it? I'd never dream of commiting a crime but still feasibly could it be possibe and what would you have to do? Heres my idea say for a murder:

Get an icicle and wear an enviroment suit and then after the crime blast it into space. *BRUSHES HANDS*.

Hi svwillmer,
Well... some crimes remain unsolved. So I guess some people do get away with it... even if it's by dumb "luck".

Cheers

Originally Posted by svwillmer

Is it possible to commit any crime and get away with it? I'd never dream of commiting a crime but still feasibly could it be possibe and what would you have to do? Heres my idea say for a murder:

Get an icicle and wear an enviroment suit and then after the crime blast it into space. *BRUSHES HANDS*.

An icicle is not a good weapon, unless you plan to drop 500 kilograms of ice on your victim from a height...

Ice would break almost as soon as you stabbed your victim. Also would break if you just smashed him. You can't fire it like a bullet nor as an arrow nor as a crosbow bolt... maybe you would be able to sling it, but, don't know how much punch would it have at all...

And on the other way, blasting things into space is not the quietest, most unnoticeable way to get rid of evidence...

Not to mention the fact that blasting the evidence into space would not be feasible at this time, because of the limited access to Space. Besides, Blasting it off into space after commiting the crime on Earth (I presume) would make no sense, as you would have to carry it into space. Either way, Why the Icicle?

You would come from behind wearing latex gloves, and smash a large block of ice on their head in order to knock them out, them shove allot of snow into their mouth and their throat-suffocation.

Its a Russian mafia technique....but they restrain the guy while putting snow into their mouth; even better, because then when the snow melts, theres absolutely no evidence left over...no evidence of homicide even.

Come on, any intelligent person on this forum could get away with murder I think...well, maybe its just because I used to watch too much CSI.

Another one; heard from a Dan Brown book-come from behind with a cloth with paint thinner on it (or some other type of nasty chemical), put it on his mouth to cause him to temporarily pass out, then take a hypodermic needle filled with air, and inject into artery of your choice...

In fact, its scary how easy it is! (Thats why I take many forms of martial arts) There are allot of sick people in this world who use techniques like that-they just never report cases where those techniques are used and the murderer gets away with it; it would make those who want to commit a crime get a sense of megalomania, perhaps convincing them that it is easy to get away with it. Instead, on T.V. you only see things where they don't get away with it-and they need to keep doing that.

the thing which catches most people out(unless their DNA/fingerprints are on file already is that they kill someone they know. if you were to kill a random person in a random place with a random weapon you could kill hundreds without being caught, although that probably misses the point entirely since why the hell wolud you want to kill someone you didnt know.

If your a serial killer.....and enjoy it then you would. And there are alot of people that are like that in this world.

Originally Posted by Cold Fusion

If your a serial killer.....and enjoy it then you would. And there are alot of people that are like that in this world.

Where did you get this information that 'alot' of people are like serial killers????

That's rubbish

Serial killers are very few and far between compared to the ratio of people in the world!

As for a crime that you could get away with, well that's easy

Most crimes like murder for instance are solved because either the victim knows the killer and is easily linked with a motive.
Or the killer leaves evidence like DNA.

If i went out tonight and just picked someone at random, murdered them and disposed of the body effectively. There is little chance i would get caught.

The victim would just wind up on the missing persons register and remain a mystery.

Perhaps you could disease a person without them knowing so and then they eventually die from it? o.O

I don't actually know if its legal to talk about murder methods. :?

The government commits perfect crimes

Originally Posted by Sum1bor3d

The government commits perfect crimes

They only think they're perfect..

there is no such thing as the perfict crime but as well as that there is no such thing as a perfict detective

It's possible for a perfect crime to happen. For example, your mom tells you not to eat cookies that she made but then later on you decide that you want to eat the cookies. So then when she finds out that someone ate her cookies you'll lie to her and said you didn't eat them in order to prevent yourself from getting into any trouble. Thus creating the perfect crime to ever be done in history. 8)

The perfect crime dosen't have to be a murder, how bout a bank robbery.

Anyone seen the movie Inside Man. It's an awsome crime but It my not work as smoth in real life.

about the answer of using a hyperdermic needle to inject oxygen into a person.

my health teacher a few years ago we were putting to him about blood in you blood stream going to your heart into your brain or lungs(not sure wich) but i do remember him saying that it would take quite alot of air so if they are unconciuos and you kill them they might still have the chemical that you used to sedate them in there blood stream kinda like when you smoke pot.


but why not just walk up to some1 any1 that you have no connection to whatso ever next time you travel some were. but not on the last day before you are going to leave because then you might get held up but 3 or 4 days later then how will they find you and ...

this is the most important thing about murder or any crime (IT ISNT A CRIME IF YOU DONT GET CAUGHT) good god why cant people understand this.

A "perfect" serial killer in my area did suggest massive injection of heroin was a good way to kill a junkie. He killed 49 prostitutes altogether, over ten years, and likely used that method a few times.

This was Robert Pickton, pig farmer & owner of the creepy Piggy's Palace roadhouse. Flamboyant scuzbag, he had money to toss around from sale of family land, and toss he did. Routinely cruised the red light district offering free drugs, or drugs for sex of course. Had a constant following of low-lifes, living in shacks and trailers on his junk-strewn property, coming and going. He told stoner buddies how to murder, even pantomimed how he'd kill a woman during sex. Totally remarkable.

How did Pickton get away with it, so long?

Firstly, choice of victim. He disappeared precisely those people who do disappear: women who turn their life chapters on a Greyhound bus. The police were reluctant to investigate these disappearances.

Secondly, smokescreen. The man slaughtered pigs to heavy metal music. There were bones and blood and piles of old clothes all over the property he lived on. In this setting, a bloodstained mattress does not seem out of place. Those who frequented the property were too messed up to notice much, or believe their own eyes.

Thirdly, destruction of evidence. Police phrased their bombshell something like, "Human DNA evidence may have become cross contaminated with the human food chain." It turns out that how Pickton disposed of bodies, was, butcher them just as he would butcher pigs, and either feed the remains to pigs, leave it to rot amongst the slaughterhouse litter, or dispose of it as meat.

Some heads and hands he buried. That's how we nailed him.

Yikes!

Squeal piggy squeal!

Ok so approaching this as if we were killers for a Perfect Murder, not that I'm implying anything about you psychopaths :

This is how I would personally do the deal.

I would have studied the victim to the point of knowing at bare minimum their basic daily routine including times for leaving to work and times for getting home from work; whether they were single or married etc. It is best during this time to have no social contact whatsoever with the subject as everything is observed by someone and you could be drawn as a suspect or otherwise.

Once knowing roughly when the victim would be alone would be the best time to plan the attack. This would be best done in an extremely secluded area or if the victim is single, in their own home. If you were to lure them to one of your regular haunts or your own home, again this could be observed by an outsider.

The victim should be killed in an extremely clean method, a knife to the back of the ear (the little gap in the skull?) which would result in very little blood but an instant death. Wear gloves at all times whilst in contact with the victim (a hazmat suit would be more effective but kind of obvious). Once the victim is dead the heart stops beating meaning that if they are cut less blood will pour out. To this end the body, effectively, could be cut into small easily transportable packages. This should be done on a plastic sheet most probably as the sheet can then be packed away and take any forensic evidence with it. The body parts should be also wrapped in several layers of plastic completely sealed. On your way back home you can pop these body parts into various neighborhood bins all over the town or city. The hands and head/teeth should be kept for the time being. The reason for the heavy duty several layers of plastic wrapping is to prevent rats (at least for the time being) from getting in and exposing your work.

With the hands a lighter should be taken to each finger to remove the fingerprints for identifying purposes. The face should be disfigured using a hammer or other such method and the teeth individually removed and discarded the same way as the other body parts or individually smashed to prevent them being matched to any dental records.

This process would take a minimum of 6 hours and is best done during winter time as people are less observant and the nights last longer. None of it would be carried out at your house or anywhere you regularly visit. All tools must be kept but thoroughly washed and cleaned after use. The plastic sheets I mentioned earlier can be discarded in a bonfire removing all trace evidence. Bonfires are fairly regular in the UK and completely legal during winter time.

As usual completely open to criticism.

Plant a packet of birdseed on someone, and then drop an anvil on them.

All fingers will point to Wile E Coyote....

Wow, Tenacity, that is pretty damn perfect. As long as u don't try burning any human remains on a bonfire, human meat apparently has a very distinctive smell when burned (they caught a murderer a while back as he killed his girlfriend then tried to dispose of the body by barbequeing it and people thought the smell - and the fact it was a 3 or 4 day long barbeque - a little odd)

Also you would have to ensure the proposed victim did not struggle, as you'd end up with bruises and whatnot. Hire Derren Brown and get him to hypnotise the vic first =p

Kill some one and that kill your self,

It`s the easiest way to not get cought

I kind of agree with Tenacity but with a few minor changes...
I would maybe not case the victim so hard as it may draw attention to an unknown seen loitering around the time of the victims disappearance (theirs a lot of nosey people out their)...
Removal of facial features and structure, fingers, toes and teeth of coarse is essential and keeping them completely separate from the rest of the body is also crucial...
However, burning them is not good as has already been pointed out would draw attention and wrapping the body in plastic is also not a good idea as any forensic evidence you may not even know you left behind would be sealed in with the body also (forensics are massively advanced nowadays)...
Instead, applying weight and submerging the body completely may work, for example dropping it far out to sea, and you'd have to weight a fair amount of the body too, you don't want anything breaking off and floating when it decomposes...
The water should accelerate the bloating of the body and small creatures will also attack it and providing it's somewhere that has just enough current it should wash away anything forensic, not too much current though or the body could be dragged to an easier finding position...
The other body parts & accessories such as rings and necklaces can also be dumped in this way (maybe sealed in a concrete block)...Obviously if i didn't mention before the body should be stripped of any clothing and accessories...
Clothing can be easily disposed of...
Of coarse you would never be able to do all this alone i'm sure, you'd have to be a pretty huge person to be able to lump a dead weight about and with extra weight added to sink it...
And most crimes involving two people, one of them at least, may get sloppy or crack under conscience...

Another theory is that of Drugs...
Their are still a selected few drugs that are untraceable after a short time in the human body that can for example cause heart failure thus to the wold looking like a natural death...
But it's not as simple as popping to the local pharmacy, you'd have to know what these drugs are and how to get them, without anyone else knowing you had them...

With science now though along with other minor factors I'm not sure the perfect murder IS possible, you might get away with it for as long as even a few years, but i think ultimately you would be caught, it's just a case of when... :wink:

Honestly? killers are morons, if you watch any documentary of the sorts criminals constantly get caught because they leave traces behind OR even more stupidly they kill people close to them

killers actually do conform to a set of rules, either they kill people for a reason, or they kill for no reason and kill in a pattern relevant to where they live


the perfect murder is simple it just takes a little planning,

cut your hair as short as possible, wait a week so people dont suspect
comb hair, wash, steam clothes
wear golves and a hat
kill
remove blood from clothes at home


that's the basics, in truth it's unbelivably simple if I had any reason or want to kill I would have and would still be free, as it is I can't be bothered to kill anyone

In terms of perfect crime, are we talking any crime or just murder?

If murder is the case then I would wear clothing made from artificial fibers, such as a jogging suit.

Gloves would be needed, latex being the best kind as they're thin enough to feel through whilst still masking fingerprints. Also, you should not have any prior convictions.

To stop DNA evidence being left behind, I'd have shaved my head beforehand, so that no hair fibers nor folicles could be left behind and would cover my mouth with either a scarf or a mouth cover. This is due to the fact that spit is released from the mouth while breathing and talking and often contains DNA. True, it is not usually enough to create a DNA profile, but better to be safe than sorry.

Shoes would be old or second hand, two pairs of socks. Wearing strap-on weights to disguise weight estimates from footprints.

Now, the crime. this is the important part: I would kill someone random. Either cut the carotted artery or shoot them. If the former, then it should be done with a commonly sold knife, if the latter then further criminal activity to acquire a gun that is not registered is required. Leave the body where it falls and get out. In and out in the smallest amount of time possible.

The idea here is that there is no motive, no paper trail, no nothing. Police would have no reason to suspect me and while they're chasing chickens, it would give me enough time to destroy and conceal the evidence.

The destroying of the evidence would be done in the following order:

Firstly, all evidence would be left in an Iron-containing bleach solution. This is to destroy biological evidence left on the items (scarf, hat, joggers, shoes, weapon, etc, etc.).

Next, All items but the weapon should be washed then dried. This removes excess bleach and dries the items. After this, all evidence should be burned. No accelerants, but it should be ensured that they burn completely. This means aggitating the fire and occasionally moving things around.

Once as much has been destroyed as possible, the ashes and anything contained within should be taken to any nearby body of water, preferably a river, and burried VERY DEEP, quite close to the shore at low tide.

And rule number 2: Never tell anyone what you plan to do or how you would do it. (rule number 1 being never get caught.)

The perfect crime (other than the one detailed above) would have to be one that isn't technically a crime. There's a recent case in the UK of people being in an educational recruitment agency.

As I understand it:

The idea was that they would sign people up with a fee of up to £250 (Or as much as could be afforded to pay) and the agency they worked for would then pay the recruiters £100 for each person they signed up.

As it happened though, they took it upon themselves to sign people up for free and just waited for the main company to pay them their £100 per person.

Needless to say, the company found out PDQ and took each of the people who had done this to court. The irony here though is that they could have charged each person 1p and claimed that they couldn't afford the £250 on the paperwork.

They would have still been committing fraud but they wouldn't have been arrested due to some loophole in their contracts.

So there you go: perfect crime is one that is still well within the limits of the law. lol

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All you guys talking about the perfect crime and "I'd wear this or that" you may a be leaving a long circumstantial trail (ie the purchase of gloves etc). What are the elements of a perfect crime?

Is the perfect crime one where you are never suspected or one where you may be tried and found not guilty?

What are the possible elements of a successful crime?

1) Leaving no clues at the crime scene,

2) Having no motive

3) Massive financial gain from your crime or some form of revenge.

4) No links between yourself and any victims.

5) A perfect alibi.

6) Not having your Prints or DNA on any data base thus any further criminal activity must also be 'perfect crimes'

Well there's probably a whole bunch more but it seems to agree that random crime is less likely to be solved however, random crime is usually far less 'rewarding' than a deleberate attack for a known 'reward'.