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    Not sure if there is one but if a forum was set up to encourage criminals to come aboard and boast about their crimes do you think they would? Is it worth a try as a police tool to catch criminals? Personally I think some would find it hard to resist and try to outwit law enforcement but something else tells me if criminals did then eventually they would slip up. I mean Facebook has seen its share of dumb asses getting caught because of what they post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Not sure if there is one but if a forum was set up to encourage criminals to come aboard and boast about their crimes do you think they would?
    Yes.
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    Is it worth a try as a police tool to catch criminals?
    Yes, but I do not know the legality of it.
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    Personally I think some would find it hard to resist and try to outwit law enforcement but something else tells me if criminals did then eventually they would slip up. I mean Facebook has seen its share of dumb asses getting caught because of what they post.
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    Smart ones wouldn't get online to say anything but there are some very stupid criminals out there who do boast about their exploits and do actually expose themselves somewhere online. There aren't that many that do that for they know anyone can be tracked that gets online and says they either did something or going to do something. So if they want to say something they don't need a special place to go to do so but only post their boasts online somewhere they find amusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Not sure if there is one but if a forum was set up to encourage criminals to come aboard and boast about their crimes do you think they would? Is it worth a try as a police tool to catch criminals? Personally I think some would find it hard to resist and try to outwit law enforcement but something else tells me if criminals did then eventually they would slip up. I mean Facebook has seen its share of dumb asses getting caught because of what they post.
    Hey, the dumb ones always get caught one way or the other and the jails are full of bragging criminal fools. How many times do people get convicted because when they were arrested they bragged about their crime to their jail bunk mates? Anyone in jail will snitch to get a better deal on their sentence. Sometimes they will even lie to get a better deal, but it's just stupid to ever brag about committing a crime to anyone.
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    The forum would be full of people claiming to have done this that and the other . . . Picking out the genuine from the fantasists/keyboard warriors would be time consuming. They'd have to provide info on the crime that wasn't made public, then the police would have to corroborate that with the detectives on the case - who could be hundreds (or thousands) of miles away. I'd guess that most of the genuine crimes admitted to, would be of a lower order (graffiti, shoplifting etc) and they wouldn't have a dedicated detective 'on the case'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SE15 View Post
    The forum would be full of people claiming to have done this that and the other . . . Picking out the genuine from the fantasists/keyboard warriors would be time consuming. They'd have to provide info on the crime that wasn't made public, then the police would have to corroborate that with the detectives on the case - who could be hundreds (or thousands) of miles away. I'd guess that most of the genuine crimes admitted to, would be of a lower order (graffiti, shoplifting etc) and they wouldn't have a dedicated detective 'on the case'.
    Distance between points means nothing in this day and age. So what if you get pranksters, they already do and still manage to sort it through. The intent of the forum would be to recognize information only the perp would know. The most important aspect of the whole thing would be to nab the bad guy, what's wrong with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
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    The forum would be full of people claiming to have done this that and the other . . . Picking out the genuine from the fantasists/keyboard warriors would be time consuming. They'd have to provide info on the crime that wasn't made public, then the police would have to corroborate that with the detectives on the case - who could be hundreds (or thousands) of miles away. I'd guess that most of the genuine crimes admitted to, would be of a lower order (graffiti, shoplifting etc) and they wouldn't have a dedicated detective 'on the case'.
    Distance between points means nothing in this day and age. So what if you get pranksters, they already do and still manage to sort it through. The intent of the forum would be to recognize information only the perp would know. The most important aspect of the whole thing would be to nab the bad guy, what's wrong with that?
    Nope, distance is still relevant I'm afraid. In any large organisation the difficulty is not communicating with someone, but with the right someone. Getting that person to respond to your email request is also a lot more difficult than eliciting a response face-to-face - especailly considering the large amount of false confessions that are bound to appear, and the vague nature of those confessions (which are likely to not include specific times and dates).

    There is nothing wrong with wanting to nab bad guys, I just think this will be a poor use of resources and will not be very successful. Imagine if you're a cop in Chicago, and received an email from a man saying he's with the "Forum Team" (or whatever) in New York, asking about a mugging which took place sometime in the past, by a man of unknown description, but who stole $152 and an iPod (or whatever) . . . how seriously would you take that 'lead'? And how much work would you have to do to assist?

    I think another idea - although it's legality would be questionable - would be to somehow record the IP addresses of visitors to news reports about certain crimes. I know for a fact that if I committed a murder or a rape, I would obsessively review any and all news coverage of that case, to find out how far along the police have come in their investigation. If you could track who views multiple articles on the case, on multiple news sites, it could lead you to persons of interest who could then be investigated. Many will be 'news hounds' of course, but their previous internet history should show that

    (A disclaimer, I know next to nothing about computers, so I wouldn't be surprised if my idea couldn't work on a practical/technical level)
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    I imagine if enough pranksters find themselves in the interrogation room after bragging about crimes that they didn't commit, it would spread that making false claims is not a good idea. And considering how much it would cost to interrogate every individual who claimed to do something illegal online, I am sure they would be able to appeal to lawmakers to make it a fine-able offense similar to making a false police report. I don't know if that would be constitutional but it would likely hit the books for a while at least before anyone would strike it down or bother to fight it.

    But I could see where it would make people think twice about what they post online. We have unwritten social taboos that prevent people from saying and doing stupid things in public(offline) where their identity is readily known and their actions locally associated with who they are. For instance, I don't care if people in another country don't like me, but if the people where I live think badly of me, it could prevent me from getting a job or could cause me to be at risk for harassment.

    Online, people have this silly idea that they are anonymous, even when they have their own face on their profile as well as all their personal details. Assuming Facebook wasn't created by the FBI, I am surprised they didn't think of it. Facebook demands that REAL names are given, they want to track your movement by gps, they want to know where you work, who you are related to, who your friends are, what your favorite businesses are, what products you like. They are the most invasive company I have ever witnessed and yet the same people who scream and cry over demanding internet privacy and preventing the government from spying on you are the same people who happily fill out ever detail of their Facebook profiles, their Twitter profiles, their Google+ profiles and Yahoo profiles.

    Even people who hate these sites find themselves being forced onto them by schools and businesses. Social networking sites seem to be the norm now and people tend to think if you stay off of them it is because you are hiding some dirty secrets. It could just be that we cherish our privacy. But not having a Facebook, more importantly, not having a Facebook that makes you appear to be a perfect candidate for a particular job counts against you when you apply for it.

    I don't really know why the government needs laws like CISPA and the like. Can't they just browse Facebook? Or does being a private person automatically make one suspect of nefarious deeds, making it ethical to pry into their personal activities without a warrant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SE15 View Post
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    The forum would be full of people claiming to have done this that and the other . . . Picking out the genuine from the fantasists/keyboard warriors would be time consuming. They'd have to provide info on the crime that wasn't made public, then the police would have to corroborate that with the detectives on the case - who could be hundreds (or thousands) of miles away. I'd guess that most of the genuine crimes admitted to, would be of a lower order (graffiti, shoplifting etc) and they wouldn't have a dedicated detective 'on the case'.
    Distance between points means nothing in this day and age. So what if you get pranksters, they already do and still manage to sort it through. The intent of the forum would be to recognize information only the perp would know. The most important aspect of the whole thing would be to nab the bad guy, what's wrong with that?
    Nope, distance is still relevant I'm afraid. In any large organisation the difficulty is not communicating with someone, but with the right someone. Getting that person to respond to your email request is also a lot more difficult than eliciting a response face-to-face - especailly considering the large amount of false confessions that are bound to appear, and the vague nature of those confessions (which are likely to not include specific times and dates).

    There is nothing wrong with wanting to nab bad guys, I just think this will be a poor use of resources and will not be very successful. Imagine if you're a cop in Chicago, and received an email from a man saying he's with the "Forum Team" (or whatever) in New York, asking about a mugging which took place sometime in the past, by a man of unknown description, but who stole $152 and an iPod (or whatever) . . . how seriously would you take that 'lead'? And how much work would you have to do to assist?

    I think another idea - although it's legality would be questionable - would be to somehow record the IP addresses of visitors to news reports about certain crimes. I know for a fact that if I committed a murder or a rape, I would obsessively review any and all news coverage of that case, to find out how far along the police have come in their investigation. If you could track who views multiple articles on the case, on multiple news sites, it could lead you to persons of interest who could then be investigated. Many will be 'news hounds' of course, but their previous internet history should show that

    (A disclaimer, I know next to nothing about computers, so I wouldn't be surprised if my idea couldn't work on a practical/technical level)
    IP addresses already are recorded but for other purposes. Usually to ensure some kind of network security. The thing is there are sites like this that promote the constant researching of news articles, something we all do when discussing a topic and want to be able to back up what we say. The results of ip tracking to determine who is following a particular story would not provide any deductive evidence strong enough to justify labeling someone as a "person of interest". I imagine everyone living within a 20 mile radius would be following the news on a rapist. So all they would manage to do is discern that the person who did it is probably someone nearby. And considering the way the internet works, you would get followers of the story all over the world. And there is no reason to rule someone out as a suspect just because he/she is in another country when they read about the story. People travel. Even criminals. Not to mention we have cable news stations that run non stop in many public places, such as bus terminals, airports, coffee houses, you name it. There is no reason that anyone must get their news from the internet. Some people even go so far as to pick up a printed newspaper and read it. Those are not traceable.

    Then you have to consider that not all criminals will try to follow the news. Some will try to act as nonchalant as possible and show little to no interest in the story, feigning obliviousness to the crime entirely.

    If criminals were so predictable that tracking the IP of anyone who follows a story closely would be helpful in catching them, then we likely wouldn't need to take such measures to catch them.
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    Here's a question while on the subject; can internet searches such as "how to make a bomb", "how to make meth",.... etc. be flagged without a subpoena?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piemaster View Post
    Here's a question while on the subject; can internet searches such as "how to make a bomb", "how to make meth",.... etc. be flagged without a subpoena?
    I used to hear that those types of searches send up flags if they are done in a public library. As well as if you check out a book on the subject. But that was years ago when I was still a bit unaware of how often the media would repeat conspiracy theory as if it were news. So I would have to ask those older and wiser on the forum, stress on the word "wiser", as to whether or not any of those old rumors were true. Seems they were common after the Oklahoma City bombing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piemaster View Post
    Here's a question while on the subject; can internet searches such as "how to make a bomb", "how to make meth",.... etc. be flagged without a subpoena?
    Yes. Do you have something to worry about?
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    Of course I don't. They would never find the hidden meth lab that I, Jacob Thompson of cleveland ohio, have hidden under my chicken coop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piemaster View Post
    Of course I don't. They would never find the hidden meth lab that I, Jacob Thompson of cleveland ohio, have hidden under my chicken coop.
    Meth cut with chicken shit, not a good way to start your criminal career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Smart ones wouldn't get online to say anything but there are some very stupid criminals out there who do boast about their exploits and do actually expose themselves somewhere online. There aren't that many that do that for they know anyone can be tracked that gets online and says they either did something or going to do something. So if they want to say something they don't need a special place to go to do so but only post their boasts online somewhere they find amusing.
    A considerable percentage of time, they became criminals due to poor academic skills and/or stupidity. Only a really stupid person would throw their life away by robbing a shop for some money.

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    Wait, how would they catch a criminal in a country outside their juris diction? Seems like it would have to be a collaberation between the countries of which the criminal was wanted as well as countries that would rather not hand them over.

    In any case, the forum would outlive its usefullness quickly, as criminals learnt the truth that it was a hoax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devon Keogh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Smart ones wouldn't get online to say anything but there are some very stupid criminals out there who do boast about their exploits and do actually expose themselves somewhere online. There aren't that many that do that for they know anyone can be tracked that gets online and says they either did something or going to do something. So if they want to say something they don't need a special place to go to do so but only post their boasts online somewhere they find amusing.
    A considerable percentage of time, they became criminals due to poor academic skills and/or stupidity. Only a really stupid person would throw their life away by robbing a shop for some money.
    Especially considering businesses do most of their transactions electronically these days. Cash is going out of style. So their is rarely more than $50-$200 in a cash drawer depending on the size of the business. And most businesses have protocols that require the cashier to keep track of the cash in their draw and any time $100 in 20's or 10's (referencing US currency here) is accumulated they put it in a safe that only the off site management knows the combination to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devon Keogh View Post
    Wait, how would they catch a criminal in a country outside their juris diction? Seems like it would have to be a collaberation between the countries of which the criminal was wanted as well as countries that would rather not hand them over.
    Look up the arrest of Dotcom... one of the nicknames used by, if I am correct, the owner of megauploads.com. Depending on the crime, apparently they can reach across boarders and screw your life up, even if they can't get any charges to stick in the end. Doesn't mean they won't try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Devon Keogh View Post
    Wait, how would they catch a criminal in a country outside their juris diction? Seems like it would have to be a collaberation between the countries of which the criminal was wanted as well as countries that would rather not hand them over.
    Look up the arrest of Dotcom... one of the nicknames used by, if I am correct, the owner of megauploads.com. Depending on the crime, apparently they can reach across boarders and screw your life up, even if they can't get any charges to stick in the end. Doesn't mean they won't try.
    There is that, and if you made to a country that won't extradite you, that doesn't mean they want you in their country either. They just want to mess with the country trying to extradite you more. If you are a criminal and are in the system somewhere on this world, your quality of life will never be as good as if you never became a criminal in the first place. If you happen to be a dope using criminal, the subset of people you can choose as friends is really piss poor. Again, once you are in the system, things will rarely get better for you.

    Sometimes becoming a criminal all starts from one bad choice. Maybe when you were drinking with your buddies, maybe when you were broke and hungry, maybe driving drunk or drugged and you kill somebody. But whatever it was, it will have changed your life for the worse.
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