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    He reminds me of the kid Neverly and I take care of. He flips out in a similar manner if you tell him star trek came out before star wars. And never make the mistake of mentioning that kittens can die. He will be screaming "why?!?!" for hours and insisting that we are the murderers of all things cute and fuzzy.

    Chad has ignored me completely where i told him how to put people on ignore. Either he is mentally ill, or he is just douchebag kid trying to have fun with the forum. either way, we should do what we do with all crazy bums on the street, avoid eye contact and pretend they aren't there.
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    On a bright note: It was all on topic. It was quite self defensive.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
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    As a youth, we called a lot of older people "dadeo"----then shortened it to "dad"
    and I never thought a single one of them had a sexual relationship with my mother.

    When I use the term "dad" or "dadeo"
    It's just an old habit(I mean, really old habit)
    1/2 respect, and 1/2 something else
    I also use the term "babe" a lot, often, it seems, inappropriately
    (eg-when i call a 50 year old man, or a die-hard radical womens libber, "babe")

    are we cool dadeo?

    .............
    edit:, epimetheus:
    "a tad rad to me dad" seemed to have a certain poetic charm
    and said what I felt needed saying in a light hearted manner

    (but, then again, I'm oftimes wrong about such things)

    Me and you, are (not) cool.

    In your above post, you are speaking of your mother in sexual relations.
    You were not speaking of these sexulal acts for scientific purposes.
    You are speaking of your mother in sexual relations, to have fun with Neverfly, or as he calls himself "the elder"

    I do not like your style of fun.

    Me and you are (not) cool.

    If you ever want to speak to me again, stop acting like a child, and stop talking about mother in public "for fun."

    Errr, are you losing the plot or what?
    Seriously, you like apolagising, I think a big one is called for here.


    NeverFly has claimed you as his special minion.
    He calls me his child, he calls himself my daddy.
    He calls his crew "the elders", and he told me to heed them.

    You go hug the elders.

    Neverfly brought me into this crap, and I want out.
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    Chad:
    Are you seeing a whole team of therapists, and did they all go away for the holiday?
    You are really reading some radically bizarre imaginings into the posts in here.

    Personally, I never did find my mother sexually attractive, though I feel comfortable in saying that someone else obviously did.

    Anyway, she's been dead for quite a long time now, and if her ashes weren't sitting on my brothers mantle, and we could dig her up, we'd have to add a little necrophelia into the mix------
    Thanks anyway dadio, but I just don't swing that way.
    How about you?

    what in hell were we talking about?
    Oh yes

    Self defense
    from loonies with guns?
    or just from loonies?

    'nuf fun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    He reminds me of the kid Neverly and I take care of. He flips out in a similar manner if you tell him star trek came out before star wars. And never make the mistake of mentioning that kittens can die. He will be screaming "why?!?!" for hours and insisting that we are the murderers of all things cute and fuzzy.

    Chad has ignored me completely where i told him how to put people on ignore. Either he is mentally ill, or he is just douchebag kid trying to have fun with the forum. either way, we should do what we do with all crazy bums on the street, avoid eye contact and pretend they aren't there.
    Since you wish me to respond to your posts,

    Neverfly has told me several times, things like "My plan has failed" and "I have you fooled."

    What plan of his failed?
    How does he have me fooled?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Chad:
    Are you seeing a whole team of therapists, and did they all go away for the holiday?
    You are really reading some radically bizarre imaginings into the posts in here.

    Personally, I never did find my mother sexually attractive, though I feel comfortable in saying that someone else obviously did.

    Anyway, she's been dead for quite a long time now, and if her ashes weren't sitting on my brothers mantle, and we could dig her up, we'd have to add a little necrophelia into the mix------
    Thanks anyway dadio, but I just don't swing that way.
    How about you?

    what in hell were we talking about?
    Oh yes

    Self defense
    from loonies with guns?
    or just from loonies?

    'nuf fun?

    Sculptor said,

    "Personally, I never did find my mother sexually attractive, though I feel comfortable in saying that someone else obviously did."

    "Anyway, she's (his mother) been dead for quite a long time now, and if her ashes weren't sitting on my brothers mantle, and we could dig her up, we'd have to add a little necrophelia into the mix."


    The following link explains the word "necrophilia" that Sculptor used above.

    Necrophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Sculptor is talking about him and his brother, having s. reproduction with their dead mother.

    THIS DUDE IS TALKING ABOUT ME NEEDING A GROUP OF THERAPISTS. WHILE (HE) IS TALKING ABOUT HIM AND HIS BROTHER, HAVING S. REPRODUCTION WITH THEIR DEAD MOTHER.

    THIS IS JUST TOO STUPID.
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    Wow. Chad, you are seeing things that are not there.

    As a youth, we called a lot of older people "dadeo"----then shortened it to "dad"
    and I never thought a single one of them had a sexual relationship with my mother.
    He is saying he called a lot of people dad, but that doesn't mean they were his dad.

    That is all he is saying.

    I have read through this thread, and I cannot see where you are getting any of it from.
     

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    Chad, you have got to be the most hilarious person I have ever seen on a forum. I hope they don't ban you. I haven't laughed this hard in a really long time. I never asked to have you investigated. I suggested to you that you put Neverfly and arKane on ignore, because apparently they upset you. But I do feel sorry for you, the world you live in must be terrifying.

    I don't think Manson had internet access. It's just a hunch but you can question it if you want. I'm thinking, Chad, for your own sanity... and I use the word lightly as it seems you only have a light taste of it anyway, maybe you should take a break from the internet. Because all sorts of scary words are likely to pop up on your screen giving you a panic that the world is out to get you.

    Do we have any psychiatrists on the forum? This guy needs help!

    And when I said "we", I meant sane normal people. Obviously not you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
    Wow. Chad, you are seeing things that are not there.

    I have read through this thread, and I cannot see where you are getting any of it from.
    Missed the mark, really. I'm not Manson, I'm Anakin Skywalker.
    Notice how the words "not," "nothing," "unable," etc are put into parenthesis as to separate himself from 'negative connotations.' I think that may be closely related to the exclusion of anything that can have a negative connotation from it's used context.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    Sculptor said,

    "Personally, I never did find my mother sexually attractive, though I feel comfortable in saying that someone else obviously did."

    "Anyway, she's (his mother) been dead for quite a long time now, and if her ashes weren't sitting on my brothers mantle, and we could dig her up, we'd have to add a little necrophelia into the mix."


    The following link explains the word "necrophilia" that Sculptor used above.

    Necrophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Sculptor is in front of all of you, talking about him and his brother, having sex with his dead mother.
    Sculptor was making a joke based on your earlier error. You thought his earlier reference was about having sex with his mother, when it was only about people not being his dad (because if they were his dad, they would be having sex with his mother)

    As you wrongly accused him of talking about having sex with his mother, he was making a joke about it.

    If I were you I would strongly consider finding someone you trust and talking to them about all this, as from what I have seen here nobody is doing the things you think they are, or meaning things in the way you seem to think they mean.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
    Wow. Chad, you are seeing things that are not there.

    As a youth, we called a lot of older people "dadeo"----then shortened it to "dad"
    and I never thought a single one of them had a sexual relationship with my mother.
    He is saying he called a lot of people dad, but that doesn't mean they were his dad.

    That is all he is saying.

    I have read through this thread, and I cannot see where you are getting any of it from.

    Read it again.
    Last edited by chad; November 26th, 2012 at 02:06 AM.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
    Wow. Chad, you are seeing things that are not there.

    As a youth, we called a lot of older people "dadeo"----then shortened it to "dad"
    and I never thought a single one of them had a sexual relationship with my mother.
    He is saying he called a lot of people dad, but that doesn't mean they were his dad.

    That is all he is saying.

    I have read through this thread, and I cannot see where you are getting any of it from.

    Do you think its ok for Neverfly, to call himself "the elder", and talk to people like Charles Manson did.
    Do you think its ok for Arkane, to think about shooting me in the back with a gun, and dream of the "bad guys" winning fights.
    Do you think its ok for Sculptor, to talk about him and his brother, having sex with his dead mother.

    Should I put you on the above list, for defending the above group, that came out in this thread?

    Sheesh, why am I getting left out. That is so unfair. It's because I'm a woman, isn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    On a personal note, I do not wish your tarnish Neverfly in your eyes. You are both very alike, like 2 pees in a pod.
    I think you meant 2 peas in a pod. They will stand up for each other but they are very different people. Anyway, the 2 peas in a pod has never entered my mind. None of us are trying to control your mind, why would we? Your just not that important to any of us.

    Arkane is thinking about shooting me in the back with a gun, while he dreams of "the bad guys" wining fights.
    How on earth did you come up with that from anything I said? I presented you with an example and you go and change it into something altogether different and then quote it as if it was something I actually said. You seem to be doing that same thing with the others. Maybe you should rethink how you are understanding what we are saying and avoid making shit up about it out of context.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    On a personal note, I do not wish your tarnish Neverfly in your eyes. You are both very alike, like 2 pees in a pod.
    I think you meant 2 peas in a pod. They will stand up for each other but they are very different people. Anyway, the 2 peas in a pod has never entered my mind. None of us are trying to control your mind, why would we? Your just not that important to any of us.

    Arkane is thinking about shooting me in the back with a gun, while he dreams of "the bad guys" wining fights.
    How on earth did you come up with that from anything I said? I presented you with an example and you go and change it into something altogether different and then quote it as if it was something I actually said. You seem to be doing that same thing with the others. Maybe you should rethink how you are understanding what we are saying and avoid making shit up about it out of context.
    He must have edited out the "two pees in a pod" thing because it is missing from the post you quoted now. He likes to throw out psychotic remarks then delete them after we have responded to them.

    Chad, we are more than two peas in a pod. We are lovers, playmates, best friends, enemies and allies. We are married. We are legally, emotionally, psychologically, and sexually bonded to one another.

    If any of that offends you, I am certain there is a hotline you can call to have something done about it.

    Personally, you sound like you already have the perceptions of reality necessary to become a harm to yourself and others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    On a personal note, I do not wish your tarnish Neverfly in your eyes. You are both very alike, like 2 pees in a pod.
    I think you meant 2 peas in a pod. They will stand up for each other but they are very different people. Anyway, the 2 peas in a pod has never entered my mind. None of us are trying to control your mind, why would we? Your just not that important to any of us.

    Arkane is thinking about shooting me in the back with a gun, while he dreams of "the bad guys" wining fights.
    How on earth did you come up with that from anything I said? I presented you with an example and you go and change it into something altogether different and then quote it as if it was something I actually said. You seem to be doing that same thing with the others. Maybe you should rethink how you are understanding what we are saying and avoid making shit up about it out of context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    On a personal note, I do not wish your tarnish Neverfly in your eyes. You are both very alike, like 2 pees in a pod.
    I think you meant 2 peas in a pod. They will stand up for each other but they are very different people. Anyway, the 2 peas in a pod has never entered my mind. None of us are trying to control your mind, why would we? Your just not that important to any of us.

    Arkane is thinking about shooting me in the back with a gun, while he dreams of "the bad guys" wining fights.
    How on earth did you come up with that from anything I said? I presented you with an example and you go and change it into something altogether different and then quote it as if it was something I actually said. You seem to be doing that same thing with the others. Maybe you should rethink how you are understanding what we are saying and avoid making shit up about it out of context.
    Post #76 shows this.

    You mean the post you just edited AGAIN a few minutes ago?
    Quote Originally Posted by Chad


    He is saying/thinking above, If he shoots me, he would not talk to me beforehand. He would not meet me face to face, he would just shoot me in the back.

    And if you read what this guy says above, his personality desires the "bad guys" to win.

    Is he evil?
    Is he is trying to act stupid?


    Or did he fall into Neverfly's "the elder's" world just like I did?
    Last edited by chad; November 24th, 2012 at 09:33 PM.
    He never once said he would shoot you in the back. You're claiming that he did does not prove that he did. You need to show his own words saying that, but you can't because luckily you can only edit your own posts. You can twist people's words all you want in your own posts but the things they actually said are there for us all to see. And he never once threatened to shoot you in the back.

    The more you edit your old posts to change your reality, the more of a fool you are making of yourself. But at least no one on this thread is buying your BS.
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    This is my response to the accusations, that I manipulate this forum by editing my posts.

    I edit most of my posts, and I edit my posts so much its embarrassing. Its just the way I am.
    But whenever I edit my posts, because of the words of another forum member. I always make a note, and give that forum member credit.
    And in (every) other thread besides this one. I always took great care, to leave my own mistakes un-edited, so that the people who critised me, would never appear to be wrong.

    In all of my edited posts (besides here), I have tried my best, to follow guidelines of the thing we call science.
    But in this thread, I edited my posts, in a way I never did before.


    Perhaps in (this) thread I edited my posts, in a un-scientific way.

    But I just had to get away from all the evil, leadership fantasy, and sadistic things, that showed themselves to me in this thread. And I had to delete some of my posts to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    On a personal note, I do not wish your tarnish Neverfly in your eyes. You are both very alike, like 2 pees in a pod.
    I think you meant 2 peas in a pod. They will stand up for each other but they are very different people. Anyway, the 2 peas in a pod has never entered my mind. None of us are trying to control your mind, why would we? Your just not that important to any of us.

    Arkane is thinking about shooting me in the back with a gun, while he dreams of "the bad guys" wining fights.
    How on earth did you come up with that from anything I said? I presented you with an example and you go and change it into something altogether different and then quote it as if it was something I actually said. You seem to be doing that same thing with the others. Maybe you should rethink how you are understanding what we are saying and avoid making shit up about it out of context.
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    You mean the post you just edited AGAIN a few minutes ago?
    Quote Originally Posted by Chad


    He is saying/thinking above, If he shoots me, he would not talk to me beforehand. He would not meet me face to face, he would just shoot me in the back.

    And if you read what this guy says above, his personality desires the "bad guys" to win.

    Is he evil?
    Is he is trying to act stupid?


    Or did he fall into Neverfly's "the elder's" world just like I did?
    Last edited by chad; November 24th, 2012 at 09:33 PM.
    He never once said he would shoot you in the back. You're claiming that he did does not prove that he did. You need to show his own words saying that, but you can't because luckily you can only edit your own posts. You can twist people's words all you want in your own posts but the things they actually said are there for us all to see. And he never once threatened to shoot you in the back.

    The more you edit your old posts to change your reality, the more of a fool you are making of yourself. But at least no one on this thread is buying your BS.

    With all respects Miss/ma'am, I hope no one is believing yours.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    I edit most of my posts, and I edit my posts so much its embarrassing. Its just the way I am.
    But whenever I edit my posts, because of the words of another forum member. I always make a note, and give that forum member credit.
    And in (every) other thread besides this one. I always took great care, to leave my own mistakes un-edited, so that the people who critised me, would never appear to be wrong.
    In all of my edited posts (besides here), I have tried my best, to follow guidelines of the thing we call science.

    But in this thread, I edited my posts, in a way I (never) did before.

    I related to Neverfly and his wife, and I felt/imagined great things about them.
    But with time I noticed Neverfly manipulating, not being the person I thought he was, as if his morals would change?

    And before I knew it, Neverfly was telling me to relax, talking to me like Charles Manson spoke, talking to me as if I was his child, and calling himself "the elder."


    Perhaps in (this) thread I edited my posts, in a un-scientific way.

    But I just had to get away from all the evil, leadership fantasy, and sadistic things, that showed themselves to me in this thread. And I had to delete some of my posts to do it.
    So, Chad, how many conversations did you ever have with Charles Manson? And how do you have any clue how Manson would talk to you. I bet he talks to people differently depending on who he is talking to. I'm sure he never tells his prison husband to relax. Probably he gets told to relax so that he doesn't clinch up so hard. You do realize that there are many rumors stating he is a prison wife now don't you?


    And was he your dad? You know Franky Goes to Hollywood had a song called "RELAX" does that mean they were Manson lovers? "Relax" is a word that existed and was in heavy usage in the English language long before Manson came along and he certainly maintained no monopoly on it's usage. Telling someone to relax has no necessary connections to Manson. I'm willing to bet, many people have told you to relax on many occasions. The reason being, that you are freaking out over stuff that has not been said.

    I am also advising you to relax, chill out, calm down, take a break, take a chill pill, settle down, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    I edit most of my posts, and I edit my posts so much its embarrassing. Its just the way I am.
    But whenever I edit my posts, because of the words of another forum member. I always make a note, and give that forum member credit.
    And in (every) other thread besides this one. I always took great care, to leave my own mistakes un-edited, so that the people who critised me, would never appear to be wrong.

    In all of my edited posts (besides here), I have tried my best, to follow guidelines of the thing we call science.
    But in this thread, I edited my posts, in a way I (never) did before.

    I related to Neverfly and his wife, and I felt/imagined great things about them.
    But with time I noticed Neverfly manipulating, not being the person I thought he was, as if his morals would change?

    And before I knew it, Neverfly was telling me to relax, talking to me like Charles Manson spoke, talking to me as if I was his child, and calling himself "the elder."

    Perhaps in (this) thread I edited my posts, in a un-scientific way.

    But I just had to get away from all the evil, leadership fantasy, and sadistic things, that showed themselves to me in this thread. And I had to delete some of my posts to do it.
    You keep saying that Neverfly called himself the elder. Actually he had just found out that I am old in another thread, so he was referring to me when he made that comment. Not himself, but me. If anyone should be pissed off it should be me, because I don't like to think of myself as old. However I didn't take it personal because like me everyone is getting older by the minute. But you should see my point. You are not taking these posts as they were meant for you to take.

    I post on the forums for many reasons, but when it quits being fun, I'll quit and do something else. How about you?
     

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    It's as if "humor" was entirely missed. Completely. Ah well.

    This is the first you've mentioned, arKane, about being a bit unhappy in your age... I guess it's a different mind, really, as I take foolish pride in age.
    If my commentary had bothered you on that, I'm sorry for it. After-all, I prefer to not piss off old people if I can help it. Don't wanna given them another heart attack...
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    It's as if "humor" was entirely missed. Completely. Ah well.

    This is the first you've mentioned, arKane, about being a bit unhappy in your age... I guess it's a different mind, really, as I take foolish pride in age.
    If my commentary had bothered you on that, I'm sorry for it. After-all, I prefer to not piss off old people if I can help it. Don't wanna given them another heart attack...
    Forget it. You were being humorous with information you got in a PM. I'm not sure where most people draw the line when they choose to share info from a PM even humorously, but you did go a little more than I would be willing to go. Just saying it might make me a little more reluctant to share personal info in a PM.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    I edit most of my posts, and I edit my posts so much its embarrassing. Its just the way I am.
    But whenever I edit my posts, because of the words of another forum member. I always make a note, and give that forum member credit.
    And in (every) other thread besides this one. I always took great care, to leave my own mistakes un-edited, so that the people who critised me, would never appear to be wrong.

    In all of my edited posts (besides here), I have tried my best, to follow guidelines of the thing we call science.
    But in this thread, I edited my posts, in a way I (never) did before.

    I related to Neverfly and his wife, and I felt/imagined great things about them.
    But with time I noticed Neverfly manipulating, not being the person I thought he was, as if his morals would change?

    And before I knew it, Neverfly was telling me to relax, talking to me like Charles Manson spoke, talking to me as if I was his child, and calling himself "the elder."

    Perhaps in (this) thread I edited my posts, in a un-scientific way.

    But I just had to get away from all the evil, leadership fantasy, and sadistic things, that showed themselves to me in this thread. And I had to delete some of my posts to do it.
    You keep saying that Neverfly called himself the elder. Actually he had just found out that I am old in another thread, so he was referring to me when he made that comment. Not himself, but me. If anyone should be pissed off it should be me, because I don't like to think of myself as old. However I didn't take it personal because like me everyone is getting older by the minute. But you should see my point. You are not taking these posts as they were meant for you to take.

    I post on the forums for many reasons, but when it quits being fun, I'll quit and do something else. How about you?

    I will stay in the forums, until all of Neverfly's insane, sadistic, childlike male followers (or as he calls them, his minions), are in their proper place.
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    I will stay in the forums, until all of Neverfly's insane, sadistic, childlike male followers, are in their proper place.
    Whatever, madman. You're on some paranoid delusion kick and frankly, my patience and tolerance is worn out.
     

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    I edit most of my posts, and I edit my posts so much its embarrassing. Its just the way I am.
    But whenever I edit my posts, because of the words of another forum member. I always make a note, and give that forum member credit.
    And in (every) other thread besides this one. I always took great care, to leave my own mistakes un-edited, so that the people who critised me, would never appear to be wrong.

    In all of my edited posts (besides here), I have tried my best, to follow guidelines of the thing we call science.
    But in this thread, I edited my posts, in a way I (never) did before.

    I related to Neverfly and his wife, and I felt/imagined great things about them.
    But with time I noticed Neverfly manipulating, not being the person I thought he was, as if his morals would change?

    And before I knew it, Neverfly was telling me to relax, talking to me like Charles Manson spoke, talking to me as if I was his child, and calling himself "the elder."

    Perhaps in (this) thread I edited my posts, in a un-scientific way.

    But I just had to get away from all the evil, leadership fantasy, and sadistic things, that showed themselves to me in this thread. And I had to delete some of my posts to do it.
    You keep saying that Neverfly called himself the elder. Actually he had just found out that I am old in another thread, so he was referring to me when he made that comment. Not himself, but me. If anyone should be pissed off it should be me, because I don't like to think of myself as old. However I didn't take it personal because like me everyone is getting older by the minute. But you should see my point. You are not taking these posts as they were meant for you to take.

    I post on the forums for many reasons, but when it quits being fun, I'll quit and do something else. How about you?

    I will stay in the forums, until all of Neverfly's insane, sadistic, childlike male followers, are in their proper place.
    So you ARE a sexist. I guess as a childlike FEMALE follower I can say and do anything I want.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
    Forget it. You were being humorous with information you got in a PM. I'm not sure where most people draw the line when they choose to share info from a PM even humorously, but you did go a little more than I would be willing to go. Just saying it might make me a little more reluctant to share personal info in a PM.
    I guess the thread about what you remember on Sciforums, candy cigs and tube radios was all nonsense, right? A clear violation of PM...
    arKane, I've PM'ed you a lengthy explanation of your fallacy here, but in the thread I'll refer you to posts 84 and 97. You mentioned your age with the description of "old man" before I ever did. I went with it only after you had said that.

    If the teasing was taken seriously and bothered you- I'm sorry for that.
     

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    It's as if "humor" was entirely missed. Completely. Ah well.

    This is the first you've mentioned, arKane, about being a bit unhappy in your age... I guess it's a different mind, really, as I take foolish pride in age.
    If my commentary had bothered you on that, I'm sorry for it. After-all, I prefer to not piss off old people if I can help it. Don't wanna given them another heart attack...

    You call yourself "an elder", and its a fitting title, you are a leader.
    You are left standing tall, while I am forced to run.

    You pretend to stand for morals, but you actually stand for manipulation.
    I am so glad i am out of your world.

    Its interesting how the men, who are closest to you (or your minions as you call them), post about the bad guys winning, and post about group sex with their dead mothers.

    What kind of "jokes" does your crew (or as you call them "the elders"), and your minions plan to start posting next?
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    Hello guys

    I would just like to ask if it would be considered a crime if you accidentally or intentionally killed a person who tried to rob you? Of course you were defending yourself as he was trying to mug you, but does that give you the license to kill as your life has been threatened by the robber?

    Just curious. Thanks
    Let's just say that I have had a similar conversation with someone who is in our highest agency of law enforcement.

    In this country, it is considered a crime to intentionally take a life over property. We apparently have a process for that.

    In self-defense, our illogical laws state that one must not use force in excess of that being used against oneself.

    A short discussion ensued with the conclusion that if the defense has no witness to call, a charge of excessive force would be most difficult to prove.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post

    Let's just say that I have had a similar conversation with someone who is in our highest agency of law enforcement.

    In this country, it is considered a crime to intentionally take a life over property. We apparently have a process for that.

    In self-defense, our illogical laws state that one must not use force in excess of that being used against oneself.

    A short discussion ensued with the conclusion that if the defense has no witness to call, a charge of excessive force would be most difficult to prove.
    I'm an idiot so bear with me here... the final conclusion was that if the defense used excessive force and had no witness, excessive force would be difficult to prove in court?
    (In other words, do what you gotta do)
    If that's what you mean, I think I read it the wrong way around the first time I read it.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    Hello guys

    I would just like to ask if it would be considered a crime if you accidentally or intentionally killed a person who tried to rob you? Of course you were defending yourself as he was trying to mug you, but does that give you the license to kill as your life has been threatened by the robber?

    Just curious. Thanks
    Let's just say that I have had a similar conversation with someone who is in our highest agency of law enforcement.

    In this country, it is considered a crime to intentionally take a life over property. We apparently have a process for that.

    In self-defense, our illogical laws state that one must not use force in excess of that being used against oneself.

    A short discussion ensued with the conclusion that if the defense has no witness to call, a charge of excessive force would be most difficult to prove.

    I can just imagine the hilarity of an admitted crook trying to prove to the court that their word can be trusted over someone they admit having tried to rob. "your honor, i swear you can trust me, I'm an honest thief."

    Yeah I can see where proving they were polite in how they robbed someone may be quite comical to watch in court. so it wouldn't likely happen that crooks come along and try to sue someone for harming them during a robbery they attempted.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post

    Let's just say that I have had a similar conversation with someone who is in our highest agency of law enforcement.

    In this country, it is considered a crime to intentionally take a life over property. We apparently have a process for that.

    In self-defense, our illogical laws state that one must not use force in excess of that being used against oneself.

    A short discussion ensued with the conclusion that if the defense has no witness to call, a charge of excessive force would be most difficult to prove.
    I'm an idiot so bear with me here... the final conclusion was that if the defense used excessive force and had no witness, excessive force would be difficult to prove in court?
    (In other words, do what you gotta do)
    If that's what you mean, I think I read it the wrong way around the first time I read it.
    An aggressive assailant, possibly armed. The defendant fearful, most likely female. Assailant overcome in struggle. Assailant does not survive. The degree of force used WILL be debated to some degree but there is only one story to cross examine.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
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    Hello guys

    I would just like to ask if it would be considered a crime if you accidentally or intentionally killed a person who tried to rob you? Of course you were defending yourself as he was trying to mug you, but does that give you the license to kill as your life has been threatened by the robber?

    Just curious. Thanks
    Let's just say that I have had a similar conversation with someone who is in our highest agency of law enforcement.

    In this country, it is considered a crime to intentionally take a life over property. We apparently have a process for that.

    In self-defense, our illogical laws state that one must not use force in excess of that being used against oneself.

    A short discussion ensued with the conclusion that if the defense has no witness to call, a charge of excessive force would be most difficult to prove.

    I can just imagine the hilarity of an admitted crook trying to prove to the court that their word can be trusted over someone they admit having tried to rob. "your honor, i swear you can trust me, I'm an honest thief."

    Yeah I can see where proving they were polite in how they robbed someone may be quite comical to watch in court. so it wouldn't likely happen that crooks come along and try to sue someone for harming them during a robbery they attempted.
    Actually, some years ago our local restaurant and gas bar was being vandalized and robbed repeatedly. The owner stood watch one summer night and caught the beggars in the act with a shot gun loaded with rock salt. The two of them attempted to flee and he fired the gun into the dirt behind them and a few pebbles of gravel struck the young lads on their lower legs.

    In the court case that followed, the owner was treated as the criminal because there was a fire arm involved and barely escaped being incarcerated, in part because of community support and also because the offenders had a record.

    Should have had the capable wife alone on location. Bears had been a problem drawn by the restaurant's cooking exhaust system. Double barreled shot gun. Best load would be buckshot.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    I think it's time this thread got back on topic- What's left of it.


    I will get back to the original subject, after this remark.

    I am watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    I think it's time this thread got back on topic- What's left of it.


    I will get back to the original subject, after this remark.


    I have noticed how (certain) men, in contact with you speak of crazy, insane, and sadistic things. And I happened to notice it again, (by accident "the elder").

    In the general section of this forum, there is a thread called "Gonzales56 I read you wrong."


    You began speaking to MacGyver1968 in that thread. And his conduct was ok, before you started to speak to him.
    Your presence caused MacGyver1968 to talk about, "putting video camera's, in his or your mothers bedroom, to video tape kissing/sex acts."

    Was this the only time, you made a man get freaky, with that same technique?
    Did you ever do this to Chrisgorlitz?


    My brain is already focused away from you. As you would say, "you no longer have me fooled."
    Oh, the hell with it.

    Yes, Chad. You've got me all figured out, ok? I admit it.

    I drive men crazy.

    Maybe it's my looks, maybe it's the high heels. But I can't help it...

    Yes, Gorlitz is one of mine. I claimed him as my special minion.
    And now, Chad; I'll lure you over to the Dark Side. I will seduce you with tempting evils. Yes, oh yes. Come my child, to daddy!

    Happy Now?!

    Back on topic, FFS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    I ALSO SUSPECT THE STRONG POSSIBILITY. THAT YOU ARE ALREADY, OR PLAN TO TAKE, YOUR MALE CULT FOLLOWERS, AND SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT GUN FIGHTS, AND KNIFE FIGHTS, THAT SOCIETY DOES NOT REALLY TALK ABOUT. YOU AND YOUR MALE FOLLOWERS, TALKING ABOUT GUNS AND KNIVES. DO YOU HAVE KOJAX?

    WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO HAROLD?

    I WANT YOU TO KNOW, THAT I NOTICED THE THINGS YOU DID TO (MacGyver1968 AND Chrisgorlitz) WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT.
    I DO NOT EVEN HAVE TO THINK ABOUT COMING AFTER YOU, MY BRAIN IS DOING IT AUTOMATICLLY.
    Before you edit this doozy out, I wanted it on the record.


    "WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO HAROLD?" Oh... God, I'm in tears!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    I think it's time this thread got back on topic- What's left of it.


    I will get back to the original subject, after this remark.


    I have noticed how (certain) men, in contact with you speak of crazy, insane, and sadistic things. And I happened to notice it again, (by accident "the elder").

    In the general section of this forum, there is a thread called "Gonzales56 I read you wrong."


    You began speaking to MacGyver1968 in that thread. And his conduct was ok, before you started to speak to him.
    Your presence caused MacGyver1968 to talk about, "putting video camera's, in his or your mothers bedroom, to video tape kissing/sex acts."

    Was this the only time, you made a man get freaky, with that same technique?
    Did you ever do this to Chrisgorlitz?


    My brain is already focused away from you. As you would say, "you no longer have me fooled."



    (EDIT) Lets see if you get "Gorlitz", with your following post. Lets see if "Gorlitz",comes out to you here. Lets see if you can get that man, to tell the whole forum "he is your special minion."

    I ALSO SUSPECT THE STRONG POSSIBILITY. THAT YOU ARE ALREADY, OR PLAN TO TAKE, SOME OF YOUR MALE CULT FOLLOWERS, AND SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT GUN FIGHTS, AND KNIFE FIGHTS, THAT SOCIETY DOES NOT REALLY TALK ABOUT. DO YOU HAVE KOJAX?

    WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO HAROLD?

    I WANT YOU TO KNOW, THAT I NOTICED THE THINGS YOU DID TO (MacGyver1968 AND Chrisgorlitz) WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT.
    I DO NOT EVEN HAVE TO THINK ABOUT COMING AFTER YOU, MY BRAIN IS DOING IT AUTOMATICLLY.

    And all this time I thought I was the one that turned Mac all pervy. But then it could have been the liquor he said he was drinking.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    I think it's time this thread got back on topic- What's left of it.


    There is a thread called "Gonzales56 I read you wrong."

    You began speaking to MacGyver1968 in that thread. And his conduct was ok, before you started to speak to him.
    Your presence caused MacGyver1968 to talk about, "putting video camera's, in his or your mothers bedroom, to video tape kissing/sex acts."

    Have you claimed MacGyver as a special minion, like you claimed CrisGorilitz?


    My brain is already focused away from you. As you would say, "you no longer have me fooled."
    Oh, the hell with it.

    Yes, Chad. You've got me all figured out, ok? I admit it.

    I drive men crazy.

    Maybe it's my looks, maybe it's the high heels. But I can't help it...

    Yes, Gorlitz is one of mine. I claimed him as my special minion.
    And now, Chad; I'll lure you over to the Dark Side. I will seduce you with tempting evils. Yes, oh yes. Come my child, to daddy!

    Happy Now?!

    Back on topic, FFS.

    Dear Chrisgorlitz,

    I have noticed Neverfly manipulating me for a while now.

    Read what he said above.
    He said "Yes, Gorlitz is one of mine. I claimed him as my special minion."
    This man just claimed (you) as his special minion.

    Do you know what a minion is?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minion


    He is telling me "he is my daddy, and I am his child."

    And consider this. I have never saw (any) man, that stands as strong as Neverfly, in a thread/debate.
    I believe this dude is a leader, but look at the way he talks/thinks about us.
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    I ALSO SUSPECT THE STRONG POSSIBILITY. THAT YOU ARE ALREADY, OR PLAN TO TAKE, YOUR MALE CULT FOLLOWERS, AND SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT GUN FIGHTS, AND KNIFE FIGHTS, THAT SOCIETY DOES NOT REALLY TALK ABOUT. YOU AND YOUR MALE FOLLOWERS, TALKING ABOUT GUNS AND KNIVES. DO YOU HAVE KOJAX?

    WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO HAROLD?

    I WANT YOU TO KNOW, THAT I NOTICED THE THINGS YOU DID TO (MacGyver1968 AND Chrisgorlitz) WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT.
    I DO NOT EVEN HAVE TO THINK ABOUT COMING AFTER YOU, MY BRAIN IS DOING IT AUTOMATICLLY.
    Before you edit this doozy out, I wanted it on the record.


    "WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO HAROLD?" Oh... God, I'm in tears!



    And before you believe anything speedfreek says bellow. Look at the middle part, of post #141, or #138 were Neverfly tells (me) to, "come my child to daddy."
    Neverfly is trying to get you all to believe, the things he says are a joke. This dude is manipulating the f. out of you all.

    Bellow speedfreek says, Neverfly never called himself the/my/a elder. In post #78 Neverfly told me to "heed your elders."
    I am in the ball park, with everything/most that I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    Do you think its ok for Neverfly, to call himself "the elder", and talk to people like Charles Manson did.
    He didn't. He mentioned respecting your elders, which is a common turn of phase. You are making inferences that were never implied. It really is like you are suffering from paranoid delusions. Get help.

    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    Do you think its ok for Arkane, to think about shooting me in the back with a gun, and dream of the "bad guys" winning fights.
    Again, he didn't. He made a comment which you have taken completely out of context. You have paranoid delusions. Seek help.

    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    Do you think its ok for Sculptor, to talk about him and his brother, having sex with his dead mother.
    He was joking about the way you took another of his comments out of context. He calls people dad but that doesnt mean they have sex with his mother. It was a JOKE about calling people dad. When you misunderstood the joke, he took the joke a stage further.

    I don't know what your problem is, chad, but it is definitely you that has the problem. Seek help. Please.

    After your initial paranoid delusions, posters are making jokes about it, which you still take as serious comments. Seek help.

    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    Should I put you on the above list, for defending the above group, that came out in this thread?
    There is no "group", no conspiracy, no cult, here. There is only your paranoid delusions. Seek help. If you think I am part of some conspiracy then I pity your mental health issues.

    I mean, Neverfly as a cult leader? Really? Are you serious? And if I were sculptor I would be deeply offended by YOUR comments, if I thought you really meant it and weren't suffering from paranoid delusions.

    Seriously, take a break from here and seek help from someone you trust. It is like you are having a nervous break-down online and it is not a pretty sight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
    I mean, Neverfly as a cult leader? Really? Are you serious?
    The irony here is that I can't get anyone to listen to me, anyway. Sheesh, I almost wish I did have that kind of charisma... Might make for less disagreements on forums.
    I had actually been entertaining the idea he was either messing with us or someone accessed his account. It just doesn't seem very plausible that he would have such a sudden outburst. Partially because of the focus on 'men,' 'male cult'; I wondered if an angry girlfriend had gotten on there to make him look funny.

    I'd initially reported him, then waited. Tried to back off of it a bit.

    In the end... It was either joke or go off and I was getting pretty fed up.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    (edit) In post #143 Speedfreek defended the whole above group, and said I needed mental help.
    I stand by my comments. If you think Neverfly is actually trying to be some sort of cult leader, that ArKane actually wants to shoot you in the back, and that sculptor is actually promoting Oedipal behaviour and necrophilia, then you need some help, as such concepts as humour and irony are surely passing you by, leaving you paranoid about peoples motives.

    Oh, and please stop revising your posts after someone has posted something else. It is generally considered bad form to do this. Any comment you are making about a reply should appear in the thread after that reply, otherwise the whole thread turns into a confusing mess that nobody can follow.

    I only mean you the best, Chad, and hope you can get over these perceived problems.
     

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    Criminal minds:

    Long ago, there was a group of young men in the chicago area that wanted to cruise around in expensive luxury automobiles.
    Not being into violence, and having little money, they came up with a plan that was brilliant in it's simplicity.

    looking "clean cut" and wearing black trousers and white shirts, they assembled outside the main entrance of one of the gala events attended by the wealthy.
    And, as automobiles which they fancied showed up, they asked the owners/drivers
    "May I take your car"
    to which, the invariable response was
    "yes"
    ..............
    later, when arrested for driving a stolen car, one of the young men told the police, and then the judge
    " Your honor, I asked if I could take his car, and he said yes as he handed me the keys."

    If you feel the need to be a thief
    may I highly recomend the above approach
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Criminal minds:

    Long ago, there was a group of young men in the Chicago area that wanted to cruise around in expensive luxury automobiles.
    Not being into violence, and having little money, they came up with a plan that was brilliant in it's simplicity.

    looking "clean cut" and wearing black trousers and white shirts, they assembled outside the main entrance of one of the gala events attended by the wealthy.
    And, as automobiles which they fancied showed up, they asked the owners/drivers
    "May I take your car"
    to which, the invariable response was
    "yes"
    ..............
    later, when arrested for driving a stolen car, one of the young men told the police, and then the judge
    " Your honor, I asked if I could take his car, and he said yes as he handed me the keys."

    If you feel the need to be a thief
    may I highly recommend the above approach
    Nice try, but the law looks at your intent and they were stupid to get caught with the goods.
     

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    I'd never let a valet handle my vehicle. That's nothing new, I've always felt that way. When I was a plumber, I never let others use my tools. Reaching into my toolbox (without my expressed permission) was a good way to get whacked.
     

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    toolkit:

    old joke
    "hey Luukie gwain out to da truck an get the sledge hammer."
    "Don't worry Lady, there ain't a mirror in this town I can't make fit."
    went over like a lead balloon
    then one fine day
    I found myself on a jobsite with a guy who hung mirrors for a living, and went over and intently stared into his tool kit
    somewhat annoyed, he queried "What're you looking for"
    "The sledge hammer" replied I
    and he thought it so funny that he hadda go 'n get his co-worker/helper(?) and share the joke with him.

    Life gets easier if you make it fun
     

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    I just noticed you've been doing more editing, chad.

    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    And before you believe anything speedfreek says bellow. Look at the middle part, of post #141, or #138 were Neverfly tells (me) to, "come my child to daddy."
    Neverfly is trying to get you all to believe, the things he says are a joke. This dude is manipulating the f. out of you all.
    He isn't manipulating anyone, as far as I can tell. Certainly not me. He has only been saying things like that since you brought all this up. It is obvious he is really joking about this. I really think you are missing the irony in his posts, but please be assured, the rest of us are safely protected from any form of mind control.

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    Bellow speedfreek says, Neverfly never called himself the/my/a elder. In post #78 Neverfly told me to "heed your elders."
    I am in the ball park, with everything/most that I said.
    When he said to heed your elders, he was referring to ArKane, who was suggesting it is a bad idea to show weakness to someone who has robbed you.

    Incidentally, I happen to agree with you, that the rights of the victim are far more important than the rights of the perpetrator. I think pretty much everyone agrees this is the way it should be.
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    I am seriously beginning to suspect that 'attention seeking' is the name of the game here. The problem with that is it might work in the short term with everyone giving you lots of attention but in the long term how many people are going to be able to have a normal conversation with you? Nobody is going to be quite sure just how you are likely to interpret their comments. So ok fine if this apparent misunderstanding and richeous indignation is mean't to be a joke, but everyone is taking you at face value.

    So if this is mean't as a joke it might be taking it a bit far.
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    We are in a forum of science. This thread is about Self defense.
    And somehow People in this forum are thinking I am crazy. But this threads postings clearly show otherwise.


    In post #106 Sculptor talks about, "him and his brother, having group s. reproduction with their dead mother."

    In post #40, Sculptor says,
    Mr, Kojax: " I like to foldle it, it helps me get a hard on."
    Prosecutor: "You weren't planning to use the pistol to shoot someone?"
    Mr. Kojax: " I like to fondle it, it helps me get a hard on, and I really like having a hard on!"

    People are saying I need mental help?


    In post #141 Neverfly told me."And now, Chad; I'll lure you over to the Dark Side. I will seduce you with tempting evils. Yes, oh yes. Come my child, to daddy!

    In post #141 Neverfly told CrisGorititz, "Yes, Gorlitz is one of mine. I claimed him as my special minion."

    He calls himself, and his crew "the elders". He tells me to heed them.
    ex.ex.

    Is the above normal behavior, for a thread about self defense?


    This used to be a forum of science. Look at the insane things above, that are being posted in this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    I was taught by the moderators here, that you stay on subject.
    And I was taught by other forum members, to keep it factual, and only post good scientific data.
    You went off topic when you went on a Neverfly is Manson rant.
    You were confounding the thread with continuous edits.
    You did not post good data, you distorted intent of wording. That's enough, Chad- I'm ready to put you on ignore.
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    People in this forum are believing, I am the one who is crazy. I want a chance to clear my name.
    Then clear ours and let's move on. You don't have to agree to what everyone says all the time. Or agree with how they say it. Ad Hom attacks are just as improper as going off topic or posting bad data is.
    So- back on topic. A full page of the disruption has gone on long enough, agreed?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    I was taught by the moderators here, that you stay on subject.
    And I was taught by other forum members, to keep it factual, and only post good scientific data.
    You went off topic when you went on a Neverfly is Manson rant.
    You were confounding the thread with continuous edits.
    You did not post good data, you distorted intent of wording. That's enough, Chad- I'm ready to put you on ignore.
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    People in this forum are believing, I am the one who is crazy. I want a chance to clear my name.
    Then clear ours and let's move on. You don't have to agree to what everyone says all the time. Or agree with how they say it. Ad Hom attacks are just as improper as going off topic or posting bad data is.
    So- back on topic. A full page of the disruption has gone on long enough, agreed?
    From post #141

    How many of your claimed special minions, do you think will put me on ignore?

    This might be a good time, to explain the ignore feature to your minions.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    I was taught by the moderators here, that you stay on subject.
    And I was taught by other forum members, to keep it factual, and only post good scientific data.
    You went off topic when you went on a Neverfly is Manson rant.
    You were confounding the thread with continuous edits.
    You did not post good data, you distorted intent of wording. That's enough, Chad- I'm ready to put you on ignore.
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    People in this forum are believing, I am the one who is crazy. I want a chance to clear my name.
    Then clear ours and let's move on. You don't have to agree to what everyone says all the time. Or agree with how they say it. Ad Hom attacks are just as improper as going off topic or posting bad data is.
    So- back on topic. A full page of the disruption has gone on long enough, agreed?
    From post #141

    How many of your claimed special minions, do you think will put me on ignore?

    This might be a good time, to explain the ignore feature to your minions.
    he didn't claim me as a minion, I'm his equal partner in crime. But I'm putting you on ignore. What do you say ChrisGorlitz, arKane, Sculptor, Kojax, and Speedfreak? All follow suit then he can just argue with the voices in his head without bothering the rest of us.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    I was taught by the moderators here, that you stay on subject.
    And I was taught by other forum members, to keep it factual, and only post good scientific data.
    You went off topic when you went on a Neverfly is Manson rant.
    You were confounding the thread with continuous edits.
    You did not post good data, you distorted intent of wording. That's enough, Chad- I'm ready to put you on ignore.
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    People in this forum are believing, I am the one who is crazy. I want a chance to clear my name.
    Then clear ours and let's move on. You don't have to agree to what everyone says all the time. Or agree with how they say it. Ad Hom attacks are just as improper as going off topic or posting bad data is.
    So- back on topic. A full page of the disruption has gone on long enough, agreed?
    From post #141

    How many of your claimed special minions, do you think will put me on ignore?

    This might be a good time, to explain the ignore feature to your minions.
    he didn't claim me as a minion, I'm his equal partner in crime. But I'm putting you on ignore. What do you say ChrisGorlitz, arKane, Sculptor, Kojax, and Speedfreak? All follow suit then he can just argue with the voices in his head without bothering the rest of us.


    In post #141, he "claims CrisGorilz as his special minion."

    Minion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    In post#141, He calls me his child, and says he is my father.
    He also considers himself to be my elder. He refers to his crew as "the elders"

    Neverfly speaks of "the elders" in post #78


    I am Sorry if I was rude,
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    Let me correct this, before one of "the elders", from post#78 does.

    NeverFly calls himself my "daddy", not my father. From post #141
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    Self Defense in Local News:

    http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Pol...179183791.html

    This is a good deal.

    But this next bit has me rolling.

    Killing of alligator near Fort Worth wasn't self-defense, authorities say | Dallas-Fort Worth Communities - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News
    Texas fishermen charged with shooting 11-foot alligator insist it was self-defense - U.S. News

    When did we get so cockeyed that we cannot defend ourselves from charging wildlife now?! REALLY?
    I'm totally flabbergasted by this.

    What are you supposed to do, exactly, in the eyes of the almighty law, if you see an 11 foot (Bigger than the boat you're in) alligator suddenly come toward you?
    Offer it pets, love and a bunny rabbit?!

    Dept of Wildlife is charging the man $5,300- the estimated value of the gator.

    Value of the gator?
    Were they planning to sell it? Was it a purchased gator?
    "Say, Bob, this little pond looks awful nekkid."
    "I agree, George. Hey here's a thought: Let's buy a gator to decorate it with?"
    "Brilliant!"
    The value of the gator. Right. Perhaps the gators mother is down at the police station right now in black garb sobbing about her little tiny "angel" that would never harm a fly and demanding justice.

    I smell something fishy: I think Dept of Wildlife and Game are just out to make easy revenue.
     

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    Back to the OP.

    It's quite simple to me. If he threatens me with lethal force, than his life is forfeit. Most parts of America would back me up completely--in many I'd be released after a bit of questioning and confirmation that the mugger had a weapon. The hypothetical don't at that point matter about if I could have gotten away, or just given the mugger the money; If someone brandishes a weapon the victim can't be a mind reader and should be completely capable of taking that person's life without any serious consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Back to the OP.

    It's quite simple to me. If he threatens me with lethal force, than his life is forfeit. Most parts of America would back me up completely--in many I'd be released after a bit of questioning and confirmation that the mugger had a weapon. The hypothetical don't at that point matter about if I could have gotten away, or just given the mugger the money; If someone brandishes a weapon the victim can't be a mind reader and should be completely capable of taking that person's life without any serious consequences.
    While I see how some might like the Janeway or Picard (Sorry for the reference) "Alternatives," whether diplomatic or what-have-you as more appealing than causing death, I cannot see any other way around the notion that an armed assailant (Or 11 foot long heavily toothed gator) must be treated as a threat to life and limb.

    A while back someone presented me with a hypothetical morality problem.
    It was a long and complex scenario that I won't bother to post in full detail here but the gist of it was this:
    1.)There was no worming out of the Choice- it's a hypothetical
    2.)If I had a choice to either save my son or save five strangers, who would I save and who would I let die?
    3.)The scenario then escalates through more and more strangers lives pit against the life of my son.

    I had thought about the question a great deal and I came to a rather horrifying conclusion:
    I'd save my son.
    No matter how many strangers lives I had to let go.
    It really bothered me to consider that's the reality of it. We like to believe in some ethical purity where we would sacrifice a child to save several people. It seems so... noble, somehow.
    Yet, thinking on it, I came to the conclusion that I'm not noble or maybe I'm just too much of an animal, I'd allow those strangers to die and save my son. He outweighs, for me, all of those people.

    So yes, what if that stranger is the threat to my son? Well, let me just say he won't be happy with my conclusions.
     

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    When did we get so cockeyed that we cannot defend ourselves from charging wildlife now?! REALLY?
    I'm totally flabbergasted by this.
    I'm inclined to think that the wildlife people are fed up to the back teeth with people claiming various justifications for cruelty or for killing protected or out of season animals. Whatever happened here, anyone telling a wildlife officer about it has to crack a very tough shell of I've-heard-this-all-before-do-you-really-think-you're-the-first-person-to-come-up-with-that-excuse cynicism.

    (A bit like a school teacher facing the bazillionth version of the dog ate my homework. The fact that this can actually happen is buried beneath tons of bovine ordure previously delivered by many thousand other instances like it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post

    I'm inclined to think that the wildlife people are fed up to the back teeth with people claiming various justifications for cruelty or for killing protected or out of season animals. Whatever happened here, anyone telling a wildlife officer about it has to crack a very tough shell of I've-heard-this-all-before-do-you-really-think-you're-the-first-person-to-come-up-with-that-excuse cynicism.

    (A bit like a school teacher facing the bazillionth version of the dog ate my homework. The fact that this can actually happen is buried beneath tons of bovine ordure previously delivered by many thousand other instances like it.)
    That's the longest hyphenated sentence I have ever seen.

    That's a valid idea, but in the articles, they both point out that the mens behavior of contacting authorities immediately and complete cooperation makes that tough shell hard not to crack.
    I can see the wildlife conseravtionists point of view but it still begs the question:
    What are we supposed to do when charged by a dangerous animal? An 11 foot alligator qualifies. What's left is the concept that we have to allow ourselves to be seen as food rather than dare tick off a park ranger with oh so bogus claims.

    I don't think such and such animal is aware that it's out of season, it may attack at any time for any reason. Not out of evilness or cruelty but animal instinct.
     

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    What are we supposed to do when charged by a dangerous animal? An 11 foot alligator qualifies.
    No idea about this particular case, no idea about alligators either. On the other hand, in various places wildlife officers get a bit impatient with people who have, in fact, been attacked by some big, dangerous animal which they've then 'had' to kill in self defence. The first question out of their mouths is "What were you doing there in rut/breeding/nesting/other dangerous season in the first place?" The cynical among them tend to think that this was either foolhardy or a deliberate strategy to create a situation where killing the animal would become 'necessary' - maybe both.

    Perhaps my too many years as a public servant listening to other feeble stories about entirely different matters has made me a bit cynical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    What are we supposed to do when charged by a dangerous animal? An 11 foot alligator qualifies.
    No idea about this particular case, no idea about alligators either. On the other hand, in various places wildlife officers get a bit impatient with people who have, in fact, been attacked by some big, dangerous animal which they've then 'had' to kill in self defence. The first question out of their mouths is "What were you doing there in rut/breeding/nesting/other dangerous season in the first place?" The cynical among them tend to think that this was either foolhardy or a deliberate strategy to create a situation where killing the animal would become 'necessary' - maybe both.

    Perhaps my too many years as a public servant listening to other feeble stories about entirely different matters has made me a bit cynical.
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    Perhaps and this is where our perceptions differ- see, I am an animal and that would be my exact response. "I was there for any reason any animal may be, what's it to ya?"
    This isn't the most popular response. I nearly went into the forestry service myself (Went Army instead) and even had started my education along that path.
    So I do understand how their perceptions guide them. I understand your perceptions and in this society, I cannot easily argue them. But it's not important, because it's all just concept until said wild animal is baring down on you, fangs gleaming.
    I also understand my own perceptions: I am an animal, not divinely created nor special in any way.
    I am a part of this environment and when it comes to the forest, I'll go where I damn well please and any ranger may stuff it if he thinks I shouldn't. Yes, I know the counter-arguments, they are parks, owned land and you know what? I don't agree, I don't like it, my Lakota upbringing kicks in and says, "No one owns it, the bird does not own the sky, the fish do not own the river. We are the land, we are just one part of it, we'll return to it, we cannot own our grave."
    So they made a piece of paper and declared the irrational, illogical, then punish other animals for being natural animals, and every animal I'm referring to is the human variety. It's land, it's freedom, it's our HOME.
    /snort
    /spit
    grrrrr

    I need to move to Alaska.

    Stifling, oppressive, illogical and doomed for failure society man invents. Abandon the ways of old and rule people with fear and paper. I don't fit in it. I find it to be madness compared to seeing the stars in the sky, seeing the forests- Freedom not enslaved to our meager illusions of justice and grandeur.
    If the wolf eats one of my village, then that is the cycle of life.
    If that one of the village kills the wolf, we mourn it, and honor it as the cycle of life.
    We hunt the buffalo but not to leave the corpse to rot while stealing it's skin, but meagerly, simply, by necessity and let them live as we live on the land.

    If something charges me, I may decide it's food. And I'll pee on a tree, too. Swim in the river, stare in amazement at the stars, breathe the air, climb a tree, freedom. Society demands I be a slave so I live as one, I try to do so peacefully as it kills me inside.

    /Snarl
    No, we are animals. God did not put us here to rule over the Earth, we arrived and peed on a tree, declared it ours then suffocated it til it's leaves turned brown. We withered its roots and now we cry, we blame eachother, we try to protect and to destroy and yet, very, very few are willing to say, 'why not be free? Why not accept ourselves for what we really are?" I think it's because they fear the real world that is stronger, they fear they will not survive if our illusions are stripped away.
    /spittle...

    /close rant

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    I put on the kid gloves, eh? Now you know how I really feel.
    To defend our lives is one of the few tantalizing bits of freedom we have left...
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    I think it's because they fear the real world that is stronger, they fear they will not survive if our illusions are stripped away.
    It has little to nothing to do with this thread, but you might like one of my favourite doco series. National Parks: America's Best Idea The National Parks: America's Best Idea: | PBS Only problem is you need to watch all 6 episodes to pick up on the various events and changes in philosophy affecting the way they were established, the different purposes they've been run for and their view of their role. I know it's not the wildlife service, but some of the concepts and problems are linked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post

    It has little to nothing to do with this thread, but you might like one of my favourite doco series. National Parks: America's Best Idea The National Parks: America's Best Idea: | PBS Only problem is you need to watch all 6 episodes to pick up on the various events and changes in philosophy affecting the way they were established, the different purposes they've been run for and their view of their role. I know it's not the wildlife service, but some of the concepts and problems are linked.
    A recommendation is always welcome. No promises as to when I'll get to viewing all six episodes, but I'll check it out.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Back to the OP.

    It's quite simple to me. If he threatens me with lethal force, than his life is forfeit. Most parts of America would back me up completely--in many I'd be released after a bit of questioning and confirmation that the mugger had a weapon. The hypothetical don't at that point matter about if I could have gotten away, or just given the mugger the money; If someone brandishes a weapon the victim can't be a mind reader and should be completely capable of taking that person's life without any serious consequences.
    I wouldn't want someones death on my conscience, but the way I figure it is this neither would most people and in situations like that your own survival is paramount so if someone defends themselves and a mugger gets seriously injured or killed I also certainly wouldn't blame or hold responsible the mugging victim. The law where I live says you are allowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself, but how could anyone really be in a position to judge reasonable force if they are thinking they might get shot or stabbed. I would think the law would be better served stating it is acceptable to use any required force but without seeking any revenge. In this way there is still a clear seperation between what is or was necessary and going over the top. For example I don't think it would be acceptable to shoot and kill a mugger in the back who was running away, that is more like revenge than self defence, but if they were pointing a gun at you or threatening to stab you with a knife that is clearly self defence.
    We must be allowed to defend ourselves, but killing for revenge uacceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
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    Back to the OP.

    It's quite simple to me. If he threatens me with lethal force, than his life is forfeit. Most parts of America would back me up completely--in many I'd be released after a bit of questioning and confirmation that the mugger had a weapon. The hypothetical don't at that point matter about if I could have gotten away, or just given the mugger the money; If someone brandishes a weapon the victim can't be a mind reader and should be completely capable of taking that person's life without any serious consequences.
    I wouldn't want someones death on my conscience, but the way I figure it is this neither would most people and in situations like that your own survival is paramount so if someone defends themselves and a mugger gets seriously injured or killed I also certainly wouldn't blame or hold responsible the mugging victim. The law where I live says you are allowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself, but how could anyone really be in a position to judge reasonable force if they are thinking they might get shot or stabbed. I would think the law would be better served stating it is acceptable to use any required force but without seeking any revenge. In this way there is still a clear seperation between what is or was necessary and going over the top. For example I don't think it would be acceptable to shoot and kill a mugger in the back who was running away, that is more like revenge than self defence, but if they were pointing a gun at you or threatening to stab you with a knife that is clearly self defence.
    We must be allowed to defend ourselves, but killing for revenge uacceptable.
    None of us can truly say what we would do in a situation where we are threatened for it really depends on a convergence of the place, the timing, the circumstances, our ability and our willingness to engage. In many cases, one might not have time or opportunity to respond so these debates, while somewhat interesting, really become redundant rapidly.

    Most of us will respond from our true nature and I posit that very few really know their true nature.
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    The local cops shoot people in the back on a regular basis.
    revenge?

    ..........
    I always recommend avoidance of violence by any means available. But if attacked and/or threatened with a weapon, or by a gator----sometimes the only thing that can save your ass is balls to the wall take no prisoners attack, attack hard and attack fast, with all the fury and viciousness you can muster.
    The trick is, I doubt that most people are capable of going as far as it may take to subdue an agressor, and once you choose to attack, there is no turning back.
    It seems that every time I was attacked, the attacker was not up for the counter attack, so, it seems that, even attackers may not be up for the "going as far as it may take".
    I got no answers here, except understanding that sometimes, answers don't matter.
    It is the moment that governs the actions, and when the moment is gone, reflection can make judgements that would be out of place in that moment.

    Always wonder, in looking back "could I have done it differently? or better? less violently? etc... but know that the moment may never repeat itself.

    If running away don't get you hurt, then looking back may just be analyzing the effectiveness of your sneekers on the terrain.
    But it would be one helluva thing to be shot in the back while running away.
    ..............
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    What if, someone tries to rob you brandishing a knife, and you could have harmed and stopped him but didn't, and later he goes on to kill another victim.
    "All that evil needs to thrive is for good (wo)men to do nothing"
    Is the death of the next victim on your head?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Most of us will respond from our true nature and I posit that very few really know their true nature.
    I wonder about the accuracy of this. I'm not so sure it's "true nature" as much as circumstance.
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    Most of us will respond from our true nature and I posit that very few really know their true nature.
    In situations of extreme danger, we respond from our bodies - it's hormones driving us.

    Whether it's attacking an attacker or lifting a car off a child - we never know what we might be capable of. And it's no reflection or commendation on anyone if they do or don't do the super-brave, super-strong, superhuman stuff. Trained individuals like soldiers or firefighters may go beyond what others might do in such situations, but that's about it.
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    I think scheherazade nailed it with:

    Most of us will respond from our true nature and I posit that very few really know their true nature.
    Given the action of the moment, if it is beyond our normal experiences, and we haven't planned nor trained for it, then, indeed we will respond based on something inside, which is most likely somewhat different for each of us.

    And assuming that we could guess at someone else's nature and response to a like stimuli is problematic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Most of us will respond from our true nature and I posit that very few really know their true nature.
    In situations of extreme danger, we respond from our bodies - it's hormones driving us.

    Whether it's attacking an attacker or lifting a car off a child - we never know what we might be capable of. And it's no reflection or commendation on anyone if they do or don't do the super-brave, super-strong, superhuman stuff. Trained individuals like soldiers or firefighters may go beyond what others might do in such situations, but that's about it.
    See, that's what I'm questioning. I've seen trained soldiers show interesting variation on this. It's why I said circumstance rather than "True Nature."
    I know a man who has never been a slouch under pressure or called a coward when tested that now is missing a chunk of skull because he panicked under mortar.
    Didn't panic under fire or when surrounded one time, didn't panic when held captive under arms (And that was "amicably" resolved in short order...) but once, he did. Other times, he didn't.
    Now, he's a different guy. Very slow with his wits, childlike, even. They had to give him a job in the base post office after the doctors were done with him (Thankfully, he chose his wife well-or that could have been a consequence in the story).

    Yet, I would never say that he revealed his true nature that day.
     

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    Fuck....Neverfly couldn't lead lemmings over a cliff. (Chad..that's a burn..not an insult) I'd like to know how many of you have actually had a gun pointed in your face. I have 3 times. You can say "oh I'd do this"...but until it happens...you don't know shit. All you want to do is make sure this 17 year old doesn't kill you for $23.
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    Fuck....Neverfly couldn't lead lemmings over a cliff.
    I could lead you into a massive headache.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    Fuck....Neverfly couldn't lead lemmings over a cliff.
    I could lead you into a massive headache.
    That's what your mother said. You see Chad...me and NF have a history over many forums. We know each other well enough that we can "burn" each other without anyone taking offense. You have interpreted this to be an offense against you...it's not.
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    Oh... now it's on. Mac, you are so fired.
     

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    You can't fire me...I'm doing your mom.
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    That's funny... the descriptive she used was "trying," not "doing."

    Perceptions, I guess...
     

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    Damn...has this thread gone off topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968 View Post
    Damn...has this thread gone off topic.
    Or perhaps it is only revealing it's true nature?
     

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    I blame circumstance.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    Most of us will respond from our true nature and I posit that very few really know their true nature.
    I wonder about the accuracy of this. I'm not so sure it's "true nature" as much as circumstance.
    Our true nature is variable by circumstance because we are all as changeable as the weather.

    My work with horses has taught me that conditioned response training, while it is exceedingly reliable for many circumstances, may fail if the horse falls back upon his 'flight or fight' true nature.
    Humans, likewise, are largely condition response trained from birth by our parents and society as to useful/successful/acceptable strategies and behaviors. We continue to condition response train ourselves for potential and anticipated situations, even modeling for previously unexpected circumstances to formulate hypothetical responses.

    Yet most often, when a circumstance presents suddenly, our response will be dictated by our subconscious. Although I have not had to contend with weapons brandished in my face, I have dealt with plenty of other risky situations and there is a fascinating disconnect where I seem to be observing myself dealing with the danger, and afterward wondering how I knew to do what I had done, for there certainly was no time for contemplation and these situations had never presented before.

    I agree that circumstance is the trigger and suggest also that like the horse, our true nature is predominantly restrained by our conditioning. Our conditioned responses may be predictable but when we break form, and at some point most of us will, we may find that we are capable or incapable in ways that we have not imagined.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    Fuck....Neverfly couldn't lead lemmings over a cliff.
    I could lead you into a massive headache.
    This is very true, Mac should take you seriously. But then you also know how to relieve a headache.....
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    I blame circumstance.
    Then perhaps we should rename you 'circumstance'?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    I blame circumstance.
    Then perhaps we should rename you 'circumstance'?
    Keep it up and you're name will be Mud.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    I blame circumstance.
    Then perhaps we should rename you 'circumstance'?
    Keep it up and you're name will be Mud.
    Mud does wonders for the skin, lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Mud does wonders for the skin, lol...
    Careful. You'll get MacGyver started again.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    Mud does wonders for the skin, lol...
    Careful. You'll get MacGyver started again.
    Seems unlikely.

    There's no bacon and no kittens, the two things that seem to really get his motor running, lol...
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    Mud does wonders for the skin, lol...
    Careful. You'll get MacGyver started again.
    Seems unlikely.

    There's no bacon and no kittens, the two things that seem to really get his motor running, lol...
    He also gets goin on alcohol, race cars, horses and julia child. and probably oxygen.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
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    Mud does wonders for the skin, lol...
    Careful. You'll get MacGyver started again.
    Seems unlikely.

    There's no bacon and no kittens, the two things that seem to really get his motor running, lol...
    He also gets goin on alcohol, race cars, horses and julia child. and probably oxygen.
    Observably true.
    Also footwear that can be used as weaponry, in keeping with the self-defense theme of this thread.
    These can be utilized as a stiletto or a cudgel.

     

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    Look at the above behavior, that threatens to take over, this fantastic and often grade school oriented, forum of science.
    Today most of you have banded together in a group, to accept and defend, vulgar and demented behavior, in this forum of science.

    Whats the next round of vulgar jokes, you all plan to tell the school children, that often come to this forum?
    Who will be NeverFlys next claimed special minion, in a scientific thread?


    I have had differences with many of you, since I have joined this forum.
    But until now, all of you have always acted in a professional, family oriented, and scientific way.

    But today I see many of you band together, to accept the telling of sadistic vulgar jokes, in the presence of school children.
    While you claim each other as special minions, in threads of scientific discussion.

    I will be moving my life in a direction, away from this (once) great scientific, and family oriented forum.
    I do not behave, like you all have been behaving, in a public family oriented place.

    If I want to hear jokes like those, I will join my (over 21) male friends, at a private beer drinking party.
    But I have never heard, any of my friends, making sexual jokes about their dead mothers.

    And if I wanted to be approached, by a manipulative leader and his minions. I would search for a cult to join.

    I hope you all do not allow these people, to take over this entire forum. And I hope you all don't allow Neverfly, to be a (trusted) part of your mind.

    Chad.
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    Right, I've had quite enough of that, that's you on ignore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    Right, I've had quite enough of that, that's you on ignore.

    Neverfly claimed CrisGoritilz "as his special minion" earlier in this thread.

    A minion- is someone who relentlessly serves their master.



    People in cults, commonly will refuse to listen to any bad words, that are said about their cult leaders.

    And CrisGorilitz clearly does not want to listen, to any bad words said about Neveryfly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
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    I was taught by the moderators here, that you stay on subject.
    And I was taught by other forum members, to keep it factual, and only post good scientific data.
    You went off topic when you went on a Neverfly is Manson rant.
    You were confounding the thread with continuous edits.
    You did not post good data, you distorted intent of wording. That's enough, Chad- I'm ready to put you on ignore.
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    People in this forum are believing, I am the one who is crazy. I want a chance to clear my name.
    Then clear ours and let's move on. You don't have to agree to what everyone says all the time. Or agree with how they say it. Ad Hom attacks are just as improper as going off topic or posting bad data is.
    So- back on topic. A full page of the disruption has gone on long enough, agreed?
    From post #141

    How many of your claimed special minions, do you think will put me on ignore?

    This might be a good time, to explain the ignore feature to your minions.
    he didn't claim me as a minion, I'm his equal partner in crime. But I'm putting you on ignore. What do you say ChrisGorlitz, arKane, Sculptor, Kojax, and Speedfreak? All follow suit then he can just argue with the voices in his head without bothering the rest of us.
    Ma'am,

    Since you stated above, that you and Neverfly are equal partners in crime, you must have great rank within Neverflys group of elders.



    Above you asked ChrisGorlitz, arKane, Sculptor, Kojax, and Speedfreak to put me on ignore.

    ChrisGoritz has already followed, and put me on ignore.

    Will you, Neverfly, and the elders, get all of them to put me on ignore?
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    I would love to see (the rest of the list) arKane, Sculptor, Kojax, and Speedfreak (publicly) tell everyone.
    They are puting me on ignore, Just like CrisGorlitz just did.


    Arkane your next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Observably true.
    Also footwear that can be used as weaponry, in keeping with the self-defense theme of this thread.
    These can be utilized as a stiletto or a cudgel.
    That looks a bit clumsy as a weapon and would be difficult to untangle from the ankle...
     

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    Neverfly clicked "like" on post #194, about CrisGoriliz.
    Neverfly never (once) got upset, about the things I said about him, in this thread.
    When a innocent man is accused of things he did not do, he typically will get mad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    Right, I've had quite enough of that, that's you on ignore.



    Seagypsy finds the fact that Chad liked your post freaking hilarious.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    Observably true.
    Also footwear that can be used as weaponry, in keeping with the self-defense theme of this thread.
    These can be utilized as a stiletto or a cudgel.
    That looks a bit clumsy as a weapon and would be difficult to untangle from the ankle...
    Anything can be a weapon in the hands of a skilled user. I did not state that this was an ideal weapon, merely that it has the potential to be used as one. Part of it's effectiveness lies in the fact that it is a distraction for some and that it is not recognized for it's potential.
     

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