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    Is it just me, or do other people get sick of so called free software that wants to run 50 billion apps on your PC without your knowledge? I find Real Media is and has always been guilty of such activity. Then of course we have the obvious ones like Gator..lol. I think they changed their name now to try and fool more people.

    Programs I suggest.

    Ad Aware

    Spybot Search and Destroy

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    http://housecall.trendmicro.com


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    I also have MacAfee and Norton to protect my PC but even with all that I still have gotten worms and trojans! :x


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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler
    I also have MacAfee and Norton to protect my PC but even with all that I still have gotten worms and trojans! :x
    Let's face it, those two companies love viruses. Without them they would not have a product to sell.

    Edit: Best way to keep away from problems, don't use Internet Destroyer (IE) or Lookout Express (OE)

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    Keep up to date with Windows updates, enable the Windows firewall and don't allow inbound connections, only download programs and media from trusted sources, never open any e-mail with attachments unless you're expecting it from the person sending it, and most importantly don't use an account with administrator privileges for day to day computer use, and you simply won't get virii or spyware.
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    If you use IE you will get spyware, even if it is up2date. I for one use Firefox and will stick with it. I also use thunderbird for email. I've never had a virus as being a programmer for a living I know what to do and not do. IE however has had so many issues that don't require any action by the end user to be exploited is just not safe, even updated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (In)Sanity
    If you use IE you will get spyware, even if it is up2date. I for one use Firefox and will stick with it. I also use thunderbird for email. I've never had a virus as being a programmer for a living I know what to do and not do. IE however has had so many issues that don't require any action by the end user to be exploited is just not safe, even updated.
    This isn't true, I use both IE and Firefox and I've never got spyware or a virus. If you use the medium IE security settings you can only get spyware in the following ways; IE has a security hole (unsettlingly common but there are no publically known ones in an up to date version), or you slip up and install an ActiveX control, plugin or program which contains spyware.

    Either one requires that you access a website which is trying to infect you with spyware, so sticking to trusted websites will cut the chance of getting spyware down to practically nothing already.

    And then if you're careful about what you install (simply don't install any toolbars/plugins and only install ActiveX controls which are digitally signed) you won't slip up and install some spyware.

    If you're paranoid then add DEP (NX/XD) for all processes, no admin privs, restrictive filesystem settings, IE security settings and security policy and you're not going to get infected even if the attacker is using a security hole MS hasn't yet fixed.

    In fact IE can be locked down much tighter than Firefox; it has internet zones and security&privacy policy, IE only gets a bad rep because it's more common so more people write spyware and virii for it, and often search it for security holes. The worst thing about IE is the lack of tabs, not the security. (IE7 will sort this out though.)
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    What about safari?
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    Either one requires that you access a website which is trying to infect you with spyware, so sticking to trusted websites will cut the chance of getting spyware down to practically nothing already.
    Did you miss the recent JPEG exploit that impacted both IE and OE ? Those required nothing special to get infected. Could be just about anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (In)Sanity
    Either one requires that you access a website which is trying to infect you with spyware, so sticking to trusted websites will cut the chance of getting spyware down to practically nothing already.
    Did you miss the recent JPEG exploit that impacted both IE and OE ? Those required nothing special to get infected. Could be just about anything.
    I didn't miss it no, but I think it's fair to say that this is the worse vulnerability IE has suffered from ever (and as I said if you're up to date you won't suffer from this).
    Also with DEP enabled for processes, like in my computer and most modern computers, this exploit would merely generate a data execution exception.

    In fact I don't think this exploit was ever really seen in the wild as a virus or as a method of propogating spyware; most spyware is perfectly legal but people just click the 'I agree' checkbox on freeware from dodgy sites, without realising that the TOS says that spyware will be installed.

    My point isn't that IE is invulnerable, as probably no software is invulnerable, just that it isn't fair to say that "if you use IE you will get spyware". Perhaps "if you're careless you will get spyware" would be better. At any rate the only reason spyware hasn't cropped up for Firefox is that not enough people use it, there's no reason spyware can't infect careless users of Firefox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler
    I also have MacAfee and Norton to protect my PC but even with all that I still have gotten worms and trojans! :x
    same problem i thought was the only one
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    Until a few years ago, I stayed entirely on macs and never had any problems like those whatsoever.

    When I first switched to windows, I had tonnes of problems when I used IE; my computer was always innodated with viruses and spyware. I switched to using Mozilla Suite a year ago and haven't had any problems since (except for the time when I downloaded Kazaa to try it out... that wasn't pretty).
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    Quote Originally Posted by veli
    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler
    I also have MacAfee and Norton to protect my PC but even with all that I still have gotten worms and trojans! :x
    same problem i thought was the only one

    There are many who won't tell you they have the same problems for they might look foolish if they did, to themselves , but it doesn't bother me to let people know the truth.
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    My sister had zone alarm and Norton on her PC and 350 viruses

    The viruses took Norton and Zone Alarm out, as in made them appear to function but not really. She got the viruses via IE, this I am very sure of. She didn't have all of the Windows updates done, 90% of these updates relate to IE in some way. Overall, enjoy your Windows insecurity
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    $10 says she ran those virii herself in e-mail, dodgy downloaded programs, etc, and that she's running on an admin account. How could virii spread via IE anyway?
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    How could virii spread via IE anyway?
    No offense, but you really really need to read up. IE has had a ton of exploits that require you to do nothing. Also because the OE preview pain uses IE to do the HTML previews, just clicking on an email can cause you to become infected. Not actually opening and installing or running an application.

    The recent JPEG vulnerability comes to mind, all you had to do was visit a website that had one of these JPEGs and you were infected, it could be a forum, it could be a dating site, it could be anything. It could be an email.

    If you do some research you'll find IE has had countless exploits that require no user interaction to become infected. It's why I don't use it or Lookout Express. If you don't believe me just go read all the MS security bulletins.
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    All I can say is thank you Linux. I got tired of all the malware and other stuff floating around, the constant need of virus hunters, spyware removers, and on and on.

    No thank you to windoze products; I've had enough. The hidden costs of running protection along with the constant upgrades simply isn't worth it when compared to FLOSS.
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    Try Hitman pro, it automatically downloads and runs several antivirus, spyware and adware programs, its fully automated. it's at http://www.hitmanpro.nl/ and it's a Dutch program but i guess that if you're familiar with German you could also use it.

    It houses all the famous addware and spyware removers too and it includes mcafee antivirus and trend micro. There is about 12 programs and you can choose which ones to run.
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    ppl saying they have no viruzes ... often do.. they just don't know it..

    i don't ;D
    Your dead, no mater what
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meesa
    ppl saying they have no viruzes ... often do.. they just don't know it..

    i don't ;D
    Go to:

    http://housecall.trendmicro.com/hous...start_corp.asp

    Then follow the instructions to clean your PC of unwanted guests. You'll need to have Internet Explorer to use this site.
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    well always run virus scan once in 4 days of your computer
    the macfee suite of antivirus and firewall is pretty good
    for spyware and other programs i vouch for microsoft antispyware program
    try all of them
    your compiter will be safe
    dont forget to upgrade them from the internet once in a week
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    IMO, the only way to not get a virus is to not have the internet, obvious but so true!
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    IE is something like 90+% of the Browser market. It's got a big red bull's eye painted all over it.

    I suggest Opera.
    The free version is fine.

    Outlook is also atrocious, but shouldn't be used primarily on principle.
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