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    So, I am in the process of moving to Ukiah, Ca. We will be living nine miles out of town on a dirt road at the end of the transmission lines (the dozen or so houses past us are all on solar/wind and use cell phones). My question is: How come my dial up connection speed at the new place is always around 20K? At my old place the same ISP (Earthlink) connection was usually around 40K. I understand from my neighbors (the ones with land lines) that it makes no difference who your provider is, they all run slow out there. Is it because I’m out of town at the end of the line? And if so why? (Briefly)


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    Dialup is highly susceptible to line noise coming from tons of sources, including power lines, oxidation of the wires, radio transmitters, bad mechanical connections, you name it.

    How is the quality of the line when you are talking on it?


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    Ohh wait, your using a cell phone?

    It's the tower in that case.
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    Land line: weak connection usually.

    You sure fixed things fast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terrapin
    Land line: weak connection usually.

    You sure fixed things fast!
    Land line, ok the signal to noise ratio is the number one culprit. If you complain to the phone company that your voice calls are bad they may try to fix it, if you say your computer is too slow they'll tell you they only guarantee up to 9600 baud. In other words don't mention your computer at all
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    thanks again!
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    I've always wondered about dial up over cellular.

    If you use it off peak, you can get access for free :-)

    How do you like it in Ukiah? I go to Lakeport a lot, drive thru Ukiah when I go up there.
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    I've always wondered about dial up over cellular.
    Actually you can't do analog dialup over a digital cell phone. The digital networks compress the analog voice into a very narrow band of frequenices, this results in many bands missing that would be needed for dialup however are not needed for normal voice calls.
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    Then why do they have a chord I can plug my modem into the phone with? Maybe my phone isn't digital? It's GSM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chovy
    Then why do they have a chord I can plug my modem into the phone with? Maybe my phone isn't digital? It's GSM.
    I know some of the Motorola's have such a cord, pretty sure they run in analog mode when the cord is in use. Some of the other phones provide an ethernet type interface and run 100% digital, as in no dialup needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chovy
    How do you like it in Ukiah? I go to Lakeport a lot, drive thru Ukiah when I go up there.
    Ukiah is nice. Summer is a little warm for my taste, I like the other seasons better. The pace is slower than in the Bay Area. Its easier to get to know folks, stores are less busy traffic tends to move smoother (except down in Santa Rosa but that is another town). It’s a little more redneck; lots of kids driving around, gunning the engines of their big empty pick-ups. A fair number of old hippies too. Ukiah has a great organic brew-pub. I do miss all the good places to eat that I used to be able to walk to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (In)Sanity
    Quote Originally Posted by chovy
    Then why do they have a chord I can plug my modem into the phone with? Maybe my phone isn't digital? It's GSM.
    I know some of the Motorola's have such a cord, pretty sure they run in analog mode when the cord is in use. Some of the other phones provide an ethernet type interface and run 100% digital, as in no dialup needed.
    Yeah, i've seen those at AT&T, a wifi card which uses a signal from the cell tower. However it's like $75/month. If it were $5 I'd use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terrapin
    Quote Originally Posted by chovy
    How do you like it in Ukiah? I go to Lakeport a lot, drive thru Ukiah when I go up there.
    Ukiah is nice. Summer is a little warm for my taste, I like the other seasons better. The pace is slower than in the Bay Area. Its easier to get to know folks, stores are less busy traffic tends to move smoother (except down in Santa Rosa but that is another town). It’s a little more redneck; lots of kids driving around, gunning the engines of their big empty pick-ups. A fair number of old hippies too. Ukiah has a great organic brew-pub. I do miss all the good places to eat that I used to be able to walk to.
    I'd love to move out of the Bay Area, if it weren't for one little thing called a job keeping me here. Dammit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chovy
    Then why do they have a chord I can plug my modem into the phone with? Maybe my phone isn't digital? It's GSM.
    I believe GSM (g2) is 100% digital but has a very slow data connetion, think it's 9600 baud. GPRS (g2.5) is a step up but I don't know if you got that there. Here (Sweden) they have just launched the UMTS (3g) network with speeds comparable to a decent ADSL connection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daijo
    Quote Originally Posted by chovy
    Then why do they have a chord I can plug my modem into the phone with? Maybe my phone isn't digital? It's GSM.
    I believe GSM (g2) is 100% digital but has a very slow data connetion, think it's 9600 baud. GPRS (g2.5) is a step up but I don't know if you got that there. Here (Sweden) they have just launched the UMTS (3g) network with speeds comparable to a decent ADSL connection.
    The US is still a bit behind on this technology, doesn't make much sense seeing as how most of the chips are designed here. I think it all goes back to the government having to approve everything for about 20 years

    I know they are going to start offering video on demand over cell phones in the US very soon, I suspect that would use a faster bit rate then just 9600. Regardless we are still behind.
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    Here the government auctioned the rights to build and run the networks to the five (I think) highest bidders. The companys had to promise a 90% something area coverage. The problem with UMTS is that the base stations have to be much closer together then with GSM. There's a station on the roof across the street
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    Small world. My mom lives in Redwood Valley, just north of Ukiah. But she lives near the switching center for the phone service there. She can connect at 45K or so, the fastest dial up I've ever experienced.

    I live on the outskirts of Chico, and I have a buggy connection that peaks at 28.8. I've been round and round with SBC. Old phone cable, multiple digital to analog convertors. And they just don't want to deal with it. Maybe DSL will be available here in my lifetime. Sure would be nice.
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    Welcome AKA, small world indeed. I was just over in Redwood Valley a couple of days ago picking up a truck load of compost. I live out the other side of town.

    Update from my original post: We had the lineman out from SBC stringing some new wire, and we asked him why it was so hard to hear voices on our phone. He checked into it for us and said: “Well you’ve got nine miles of copper wire running into town. That should have been fixed long ago.” He hooked us up to a fiber optic cable a couple of miles down the road. Ever since then we no longer have to shout to be heard on the phone. Unfortunately my internet speed only went up about 10-20 percent. I routinely connect at about 24k now.

    It’s a pain, but I have learned to adapt: I rarely download videos, and when I do I find some other project to do for the half hour or so it takes. I have gotten into the habit of keeping multiple windows open, so that I can be reading one while downloading another. I use an “accelerator” provided by Earthlink my ISP; the little box tells me that it speeds things up about 5x, I don’t know if that is true but it certainly makes things more than twice as fast; I loose a little detail in the pictures in the process. My solitaire game has improved considerably.

    The only other option in my situation would be satellite, but I am not ready to plunk down the hardware costs and stiff monthly fees for a connection that would not be a whole lot faster than what I had back in town. Our house is on a ridge top and we get some stiff winds. I understand winds can be tough on satellite connections. Oh well, life is full of tradeoffs.

    Chico area is nice. I’ve been through there a few times. Nice folks, interesting terrain.
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    I use an “accelerator” provided by Earthlink my ISP; the little box tells me that it speeds things up about 5x, I don’t know if that is true but it certainly makes things more than twice as fast
    It's a form of compression, pages like this compress really well. In fact this forum uses compression by default to help make it snappy. Nobody has said if it is or not. But hey I try.
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    Hi (I)S, Your pages do download quickly ( I thought it was the lack of pictures an other fancy flashing/moving things…I guess it is partly.) You are so thoughtful about us luddites.
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