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    someone in their wisdom has decided that people should no longer access their personal email accounts from a works PC, so-called because of security issues that these form for our IT systems

    which is rather strange since (a) there's supposed to be a firewall; and (b) i'm sure gmail is more secure when it comes to nasties than outlook express that we're using for our works email

    does anyone know of a work-around this ? if possible without giving up gmail as my main account


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    Probably not without giving up that account first. IMO


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    I have the same problem, so I just keep personal mail on my phone and work mail on my work pc.
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    You can use a proxy to bypass some securities, but I don't know what your restrictions are on the PC.
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    You could consider internet tethering from a cellular phone to bypass the restrictions.
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    if i had a mobile phone that could access the internet, the fact that the firewall is currently blocking gmail wouldn't be an issue
    otherwise i could do what river_rat advises and keep the 2 separate
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    Our company has a similar policy, in part for security and in part because some staff likes to waste company time, hiding in the office and mucking about on-line. Now that most of the kids (and adults) have phones, they hide out in the washrooms or the stock area and waste time at will. Our internal system is nationwide and while the main browser denies access to some internet sites, going to the company homepage of the internal system and searching from there, allows it through, at least on two of the three computers that I utilize.
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    had a quick go at some of the suggestions in the link below (other ones like it come up with much the same suggestions)

    10 ways to access blocked Gmail at office, school, work

    1. different URL - nope
    3. email client - only have access to Web Outlook, which doesn't have this facility
    4. Google Desktop no longer exists
    6. iGoogle no longer exists
    8. Google Talk - can't see gmail icon, just "Hangouts", link from Google+ also blocked

    so that leaves the following to investigate

    2. Use Proxy websites to get through
    5. Create password free Gmail feed
    7. Use a website with Gmail Lite installed

    in addition the screen that comes up is not the same as for standard blocked sites such as youtube, so they must achieve the blocking in a different way - do the screen shots below give any hint of how they might have done it ?


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    This isn't something I would consider, but have you considered using gmail's auto-forwarding function and send them to your office account?

    https://support.google.com/mail/answer/10957?hl=en
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    i'll have a look at it when i'm home - not sure if that's the route i want to take, but it can't hurt to examine the option you suggested in more detail

    in addition, option #2 on the website (proxy websites) doesn't seem to work either, since the few examples i've tried are all blocked themselves
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    oh man, so many options to get around it. There is always a workaround. Those others have mentioned. going to the direct IP address.

    The most effective way(or atleast hardest for IT to block) is get a small bootable linux on a flash drive, pop it in & browse away. Would take some time for loading/unloading so you know...if you only have a few minutes to check before the boss comes back might not work best.

    ive found IT like to do a wonderful job at blocking windows, but when it comes to linux they like to leave the flood gates wide open.

    edit: you could also try like portable mozilla or a TOR browser off a flash drive, would be faster for plug & play without dealing with boots. Might not work though, but worth a shot.

    edit, again: to find the IP addy of a site. simply run command prompt and ping it. type the number directly into the access bar or your proxy.
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    tried the IP route - unfortunately i can't ping the gmail site, says it can't see it (presumably the firewall gets in the way)
    the IP address i get from whois is just the plain google one, and the link from there to gmail gets blocked as well

    when i try to access the TOR site i get the same message as when i try to connect to gmail - a job to do when i'm home i suppose ?
    does it take much space on a USB stick ?
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    depending what you want to put on the usb stick. a 2gb stick should handle any browser. for a bootable OS, you might have to upgrade to a 4 or 8, depending the OS you want. Some are less than a gig, made to boot off a CD. Others made for DVD boot. thus 8 should handle anything you find

    Damn small linux is only 50mb
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    Get a smart phone
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    This thread made me smile, a few months ago our university switched all staff and student email accounts TO gmail...
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    You won't like my answer, but if they don't want you to do it, don't do it, regardless of whether their reasons make sense, which they probably don't. But if they find out you are doing it despite the fact they went to the trouble of preventing you from doing it, they will be mad. And they will immediately wonder what else you are doing that you shouldn't be doing.

    Or just quit, and go work for a more reasonable employer that treats you like an adult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DianeG View Post
    You won't like my answer, but if they don't want you to do it, don't do it, regardless of whether their reasons make sense, which they probably don't. But if they find out you are doing it despite the fact they went to the trouble of preventing you from doing it, they will be mad. And they will immediately wonder what else you are doing that you shouldn't be doing.

    Or just quit, and go work for a more reasonable employer that treats you like an adult.
    I very much agree with what you have posted.

    The main reasons that many employers are blocking sites are because of lost productivity (folks not acting like adults) as well as the risk of security breach and viruses. A few years ago a virus got into our corporate system from the use of private computers being allowed to plug in when various department personnel traveled. That caused bloody mayhem for a brief while.

    Also, I would cheerfully strangle whoever changed the screensaver in the back office to a hounds tooth check a few weeks ago, making the desktop icons all but unreadable. Bloody kids on the evening shift, unsupervised because of minimal staff, getting paid for doing nothing. Flaming air thieves, lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DianeG View Post
    You won't like my answer, but if they don't want you to do it, don't do it, regardless of whether their reasons make sense, which they probably don't. But if they find out you are doing it despite the fact they went to the trouble of preventing you from doing it, they will be mad. And they will immediately wonder what else you are doing that you shouldn't be doing.

    Or just quit, and go work for a more reasonable employer that treats you like an adult.
    I very much agree with what you have posted.

    The main reasons that many employers are blocking sites are because of lost productivity (folks not acting like adults) as well as the risk of security breach and viruses. A few years ago a virus got into our corporate system from the use of private computers being allowed to plug in when various department personnel traveled. That caused bloody mayhem for a brief while.

    Also, I would cheerfully strangle whoever changed the screensaver in the back office to a hounds tooth check a few weeks ago, making the desktop icons all but unreadable. Bloody kids on the evening shift, unsupervised because of minimal staff, getting paid for doing nothing. Flaming air thieves, lol...
    While I agree that it's bad manors for a shift not to restore the company defaults before leaving, I would advise you to learn how to change the wallpaper yourself and not let the unsupervised riff raff irritate you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DianeG View Post
    You won't like my answer, but if they don't want you to do it, don't do it, regardless of whether their reasons make sense, which they probably don't. But if they find out you are doing it despite the fact they went to the trouble of preventing you from doing it, they will be mad. And they will immediately wonder what else you are doing that you shouldn't be doing.

    Or just quit, and go work for a more reasonable employer that treats you like an adult.
    I very much agree with what you have posted.

    The main reasons that many employers are blocking sites are because of lost productivity (folks not acting like adults) as well as the risk of security breach and viruses. A few years ago a virus got into our corporate system from the use of private computers being allowed to plug in when various department personnel traveled. That caused bloody mayhem for a brief while.

    Also, I would cheerfully strangle whoever changed the screensaver in the back office to a hounds tooth check a few weeks ago, making the desktop icons all but unreadable. Bloody kids on the evening shift, unsupervised because of minimal staff, getting paid for doing nothing. Flaming air thieves, lol...
    While I agree that it's bad manors for a shift not to restore the company defaults before leaving, I would advise you to learn how to change the wallpaper yourself and not let the unsupervised riff raff irritate you.
    Therein lay the difficulty, Bad Robot.
    That computer is one of the 'locked out' ones. You have to know some advanced computer skills to make any changes. The first manager in did not know how to change it but his daughter, a computer nerd, did know and she showed me.

    And I think you mean 'manners', sweetie. A 'manor' is a rather large, posh residence.
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    you can go for incogonized mode i guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Therein lay the difficulty, Bad Robot.
    That computer is one of the 'locked out' ones. You have to know some advanced computer skills to make any changes. The first manager in did not know how to change it but his daughter, a computer nerd, did know and she showed me.

    And I think you mean 'manners', sweetie. A 'manor' is a rather large, posh residence.
    Oops!
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    looks like i've have to accept whatever's coming to me

    in my investigations i also tried the gmail site on Opera, and got the following message : "The server's certificate chain is incomplete, and the signer(s) are not registered. Accept?" the security details are as follows



    which seems to indicate that the firewall is redirecting to their "barred site" page, and depending on the browser it lets you, or it detects that someone unauthorised is attempting a redirect

    still i might try and see if after the 29th of May the site is unblocked again

    P.S. as for the USB option i haven't had the chance of pursuing that one yet
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    I have three e-mails

    one for junk

    one for business

    one for family

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    I'm not sure what the USB option is supposed to do here - by the sounds of it gmail is blocked at the gateway from your internal network to the internet - there is not much you can do locally to get around that other than try out guess the filters but most enterprise level web filtering is rather robust (especially when ti comes to known proxys - websense for example does deep packet inspection!) unless you are prepared to spend some money to fix the problem (i.e. buy web hosting, create a cgi proxy on said web hosting, reroute your traffic to google through the proxy via some sort of tunnel)

    But be prepared to face the consequences if you get found out - breaching IT policy is usually a fireable offence.
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    i'm pretty sure you're right that i shouldn't go out of my way to try and circumvent the imposed ban if there's no clear loopholes
    at least if you exploit a loophole you can claim some degree of innocence, but if the job has been done properly (which appears to be the case) then it's not worth my while to spend too much time on trying out tools that could be held up as proof that i've actively circumvented security measures

    which brings me back to square one, which is to try a different email system that is not on the banned list
    any candidates ?
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    Have you ruled out the gmail's auto-forwarding function? That way you can retain the account and still go about your business. You may want to set up some filters in your office outlook to receive the forwarded mails into a preset group folder.
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    that's what i intend to investigate tonight, didn't have time last night to set anything up
    however, any reallocation of such emails will have to be done manually - my version of OWA is so basic that it doesn't even make provision for inbox rules
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    May I ask what is so imperative that you cannot live without access to personal email for the hours that you are being paid to pursue the interests of your employer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    that's what i intend to investigate tonight, didn't have time last night to set anything up
    however, any reallocation of such emails will have to be done manually - my version of OWA is so basic that it doesn't even make provision for inbox rules
    I make use of OWA from my home computer when away from the office, and it has an "Options" tab on the top right hand corner.



    If I'm not mistaken, you can also create a folder to receive all forwarded mails from your gmail account.

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    i can create folders, but i can't set inbox rules - it's something that i've queried with the email team, and that's standard setting for the basic account (why, i have no idea), at least for the set-up over here
    as you can see the icons for creating them is greyed out :

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    May I ask what is so imperative that you cannot live without access to personal email for the hours that you are being paid to pursue the interests of your employer?
    i'm a developer, and if i use my works address to sign up for technical forums (or for my Oracle account, or for LinkedIn) then should i ever leave i will have to alter all my subscriptions
    i would also have to archive out all emails that i want to keep - using my private email address for these makes far more sense

    the trouble starts when you need to receive an activation email for certain jobs on these sites, or reset your password, then you're basically stuffed, unless you have set up a redirect

    as for the hours that i'm being paid to work for my employer, i start well before the standard starting time and finish well after the official end time, so if during that time i have any need to access my personal email i feel entitled to do so
    i hardly ever access anything personal during the 8.30-12.30 and 13.15-16.45 official slots, so it's not like i'm short-changing the company
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    That odd. Mine is pretty similar but yet different from yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    May I ask what is so imperative that you cannot live without access to personal email for the hours that you are being paid to pursue the interests of your employer?
    i'm a developer, and if i use my works address to sign up for technical forums (or for my Oracle account, or for LinkedIn) then should i ever leave i will have to alter all my subscriptions
    i would also have to archive out all emails that i want to keep - using my private email address for these makes far more sense

    the trouble starts when you need to receive an activation email for certain jobs on these sites, or reset your password, then you're basically stuffed, unless you have set up a redirect

    as for the hours that i'm being paid to work for my employer, i start well before the standard starting time and finish well after the official end time, so if during that time i have any need to access my personal email i feel entitled to do so
    i hardly ever access anything personal during the 8.30-12.30 and 13.15-16.45 official slots, so it's not like i'm short-changing the company
    I see.

    At one of my jobs, I am the office admin. and so I will likewise avail myself of the office computer to peruse items of personal interest during the slack time. At my graveyard shift job, I do not, because I do not take breaks there (by choice). I have quite enough time at home with my system there to address anything I care to subscribe to and I also have a smart phone that I seldom turn on except when I want to make a call or check something. Come to think of it, I left it at home on the charger, lol. It is a useful device but I am not one who desires to be tethered to the rest of the world.

    Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.

    Have you considered asking management to grant you access for the purposes you describe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
    That odd. Mine is pretty similar but yet different from yours.
    you may be on a different version - we had an upgrade a few months ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Have you considered asking management to grant you access for the purposes you describe?
    yes - but i also know that i'll have to get all my arguments properly worked out beforehand, because likelihood is i'll only get one shot at this
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    forwarding has been set up - let's see how that pans out
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    which brings me back to square one, which is to try a different email system that is not on the banned list
    any candidates ?
    Im kinda seeing an easy solution. Set up a new e-mail on one of the approved e-mail servers that is allowed, then have g-mail auto-forward feature go to this address.

    Seems simple to me atleast.
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    that's what i've been doing from gmail to my works OWA
    it's the easiest option and doesn't contravene any rules that i know of (and if it does i can claim innocence)
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    10-year+ old Nokia - not smart
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    Wow, I'm surprised it still works after ten years. Have you considered switching to a modern smart phone? You won't need a fancy one, just one that allows you to web and mail access.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    10-year+ old Nokia - not smart
    Ouch! Your right that's not smart.
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    Even I finally quit fighting progress and got a Sony Experia.
    Probably overkill for my limited expertise but I liked the reviews on it.
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    Even I finally quit fighting progress and got a Sony Experia.
    Probably overkill for my limited expertise but I liked the reviews on it.
    thats a nice phone indeed i m using lava N350 now
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    Wow, I'm surprised it still works after ten years. Have you considered switching to a modern smart phone? You won't need a fancy one, just one that allows you to web and mail access.
    there was never a good enough reason to get one - until now
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
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    Wow, I'm surprised it still works after ten years. Have you considered switching to a modern smart phone? You won't need a fancy one, just one that allows you to web and mail access.
    there was never a good enough reason to get one - until now
    If you do end up switching to a smart phone, be sure to check with your company's IT department if they require you to install security apps such as mobileiron or the like, and see if your phone OS supports it. My company requires us to install them due to the highly sensitive mails that passes through the chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    that's what i've been doing from gmail to my works OWA
    it's the easiest option and doesn't contravene any rules that i know of (and if it does i can claim innocence)
    yeah, but what im saying is you can set it up to send to another account. If say yahoo mail is allowed, you can have your gmail forwarded to that. will help keep it separate from work
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
    If you do end up switching to a smart phone, be sure to check with your company's IT department if they require you to install security apps such as mobileiron or the like, and see if your phone OS supports it. My company requires us to install them due to the highly sensitive mails that passes through the chain.
    i haven't heard of anyone with a personal phone who had to subject it for approval by the IT department
    we're unlikely to work on anything that sensitive that they need to get this draconian
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    i haven't heard of anyone with a personal phone who had to subject it for approval by the IT department
    we're unlikely to work on anything that sensitive that they need to get this draconian
    I think I may have given the wrong idea; we do not need any sort of approval from the IT department. What I meant was that some smart phone OS do not support the certain security apps (I think), and what I meant was that it may be a good idea to check with the tech guys just to be safe. No point getting a new phone and end up not being able to install the MDMs required for authentication before being able to access company mails. Most respectable MDMs do support the more popular phone OS these days, but I just wasn't sure since I haven't really tried many models out there. Luckily, essential staff are issued with a company line and phone to reduce the hassle.

    In case you were wondering, my personal phone - iPhone 5, company phone - Samsung S3, and both supports the MDM that we use. The only drawback I'm facing now is having to lug around two phones instead of one.
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    10-year+ old Nokia - not smart
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    10-year+ old Nokia - not smart
    Time to update! *Lauhing*
    stop lauhing !!
    laughing is ok though
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    10-year+ old Nokia - not smart
    Time to update! *Lauhing*
    stop lauhing !!
    laughing is ok though

    can I get off the floor now?
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    can I get off the floor now?
    no - the ghosts of nokias past are displeased
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    can I get off the floor now?
    no - the ghosts of nokias past are displeased
    I had one of those...about 15 years ago! *laughing*
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    someone in their wisdom has decided that people should no longer access their personal email accounts from a works PC, so-called because of security issues that these form for our IT systems

    which is rather strange since (a) there's supposed to be a firewall; and (b) i'm sure gmail is more secure when it comes to nasties than outlook express that we're using for our works email

    does anyone know of a work-around this ? if possible without giving up gmail as my main account
    it's their LAN and WAN, so their right. Suck it up, deal with it.

    Buy a 4G package on your phone and use that.

    As for Outlook Express, it depends. Why would there be security issues on their local server?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenRatio View Post
    oh man, so many options to get around it. There is always a workaround. Those others have mentioned. going to the direct IP address.

    The most effective way(or atleast hardest for IT to block) is get a small bootable linux on a flash drive, pop it in & browse away. Would take some time for loading/unloading so you know...if you only have a few minutes to check before the boss comes back might not work best.

    ive found IT like to do a wonderful job at blocking windows, but when it comes to linux they like to leave the flood gates wide open.

    edit: you could also try like portable mozilla or a TOR browser off a flash drive, would be faster for plug & play without dealing with boots. Might not work though, but worth a shot.

    edit, again: to find the IP addy of a site. simply run command prompt and ping it. type the number directly into the access bar or your proxy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarnamluvu View Post
    it's their LAN and WAN, so their right. Suck it up, deal with it.
    can't argue with that - except that i've always hated admins who don't feel they have to explain themselves and prefer to hide behind blanket statements of company policy and IT security

    might may be right in this instance, but it takes my rating of the people involved down a little
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    The two suggestions that stand out are forwarding to another email account and getting a smart phone. Do they have a company policy on Angry Birds?

    Only issue with the forwarded email is that you won't have a record of sent email from the new account.

    As for the phone, you don't really need much. As much as I hate Blackberry, even one of the most basic ones will be fine for mail purposes. Otherwise pick up an old Droid or something from a second hand shop for a handful of pennies. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by all the things you'll discover you have missed out on in a phone, especially a proper QWERTY keyboard on the Droids, as well as Whatsapp.
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    might try and see if i can pilfer my son's basic Samsung when he feels like upgrading
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    In my experience, hubby is always on the alert for any excuse (reason) to invest in new technology, lol. He upgraded our Shaw cable package to double the (useless) channels (and double the expense) under the guise of enabling me to be able to watch all horse related programming available on the planet. The fact that I am more often busy with the three dimensional members of my own equine family seems to have eluded him. Ah well, he is the one who enjoys TV and he is the one who foots the bill for large screen viewing upstairs and down.

    (It's really rather cute that the upstairs TV is 'his' while the downstairs one is 'mine' and he always asks permission before changing the channel on the downstairs TV even if I am obviously not watching it. We have our own little house rules that have been remarkably effective for the 17 years that we have been together.)

    As with others, I am of the opinion that you would be wiser (and happier) to find a better solution than hacking your company's internet policy. Your own phone seems like the best and most legit work-around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    As with others, I am of the opinion that you would be wiser (and happier) to find a better solution than hacking your company's internet policy. Your own phone seems like the best and most legit work-around.
    Ah! But there's a great deal of prestige attached to being so technically adapt that you can easily get around company policy without fear of being caught and busted. However, that same employee could be a big asset to the company as a technical analyst pointing out the short comings of the company policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    As with others, I am of the opinion that you would be wiser (and happier) to find a better solution than hacking your company's internet policy. Your own phone seems like the best and most legit work-around.
    Ah! But there's a great deal of prestige attached to being so technically adapt that you can easily get around company policy without fear of being caught and busted. However, that same employee could be a big asset to the company as a technical analyst pointing out the short comings of the company policy.
    I see a disconnect between your two statements above.

    Being a 'hacker' of your own company's policy comes with the risk of discipline and/or dismissal in exchange for such 'prestige'. Seems like a foolish gamble to me, depending on the nature of one's job and future employment prospects.

    I suggested in an earlier post that marnixR outright ask for permission and a work-around by stating his specific reasons for needing access to gmail and in his reply he did not seem to think that the company would be overly receptive. Applying for the job of being the technical analyst is an option unless that position is already filled in which case it would be seen as a 'challenge' of sorts and not necessarily welcomed.
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    You may need to ask IT for the access credentials to have your email on your phone.B

    But then a company has every right to limit/prohibit whatever kind of Web access it wants. In the place I work out, things are cool in that they only stop porn or hate sites, but then we're there to work not send messages via Gmail.

    Also, as a campus security policy/system admin, I know confidentiality is the name of the game, and just as much in IT. Some policies simply DON'T need to be communicated (or their rationale at least) and for most of the time good reasons and some of the time not. Such is life, people need to get over it.
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    And getting a phone with even 3G capability let alone 4G, using your existing contract or pay as you go/prepaid service, and using this to send Gmails is way better than losing your job over hacking into your company's LAN lol..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
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    As with others, I am of the opinion that you would be wiser (and happier) to find a better solution than hacking your company's internet policy. Your own phone seems like the best and most legit work-around.
    Ah! But there's a great deal of prestige attached to being so technically adapt that you can easily get around company policy without fear of being caught and busted. However, that same employee could be a big asset to the company as a technical analyst pointing out the short comings of the company policy.
    Why would you want to do that? Why not simply find another job? Or accept since it's not your LAN/WAN, you have no control over how it's used?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
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    it's their LAN and WAN, so their right. Suck it up, deal with it.
    can't argue with that - except that i've always hated admins who don't feel they have to explain themselves and prefer to hide behind blanket statements of company policy and IT security

    might may be right in this instance, but it takes my rating of the people involved down a little
    They have their reasons, and instructions. So are they expected to tell you how many subnets/VLANs exist there? the credentials for the management VLAN? All router configurations? The bandwidth of their WAN?
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    **shrug**

    as i said, i don't have an option but to accept it, but i don't have to like it
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarnamluvu View Post
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    As with others, I am of the opinion that you would be wiser (and happier) to find a better solution than hacking your company's internet policy. Your own phone seems like the best and most legit work-around.
    Ah! But there's a great deal of prestige attached to being so technically adapt that you can easily get around company policy without fear of being caught and busted. However, that same employee could be a big asset to the company as a technical analyst pointing out the short comings of the company policy.
    Why would you want to do that? Why not simply find another job? Or accept since it's not your LAN/WAN, you have no control over how it's used?
    I personally wouldn't want to do that. However, I can see how very technically advanced people might find a challenge in doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
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    As with others, I am of the opinion that you would be wiser (and happier) to find a better solution than hacking your company's internet policy. Your own phone seems like the best and most legit work-around.
    Ah! But there's a great deal of prestige attached to being so technically adapt that you can easily get around company policy without fear of being caught and busted. However, that same employee could be a big asset to the company as a technical analyst pointing out the short comings of the company policy.
    Why would you want to do that? Why not simply find another job? Or accept since it's not your LAN/WAN, you have no control over how it's used?
    I personally wouldn't want to do that. However, I can see how very technically advanced people might find a challenge in doing that.
    Maybe. But then it's not for me to say what people can do, just seems dishonest IMO to hack into a firm's network.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    **shrug**

    as i said, i don't have an option but to accept it, but i don't have to like it
    Was just saying my view based on standard enterprise system policy, and I hear you, seems harsh. But then unless you have pull with the firm's IT VP or manager, you have little choice. I agree it seems out of line, I won't say otherwise.
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    might try and see if i can pilfer my son's basic Samsung when he feels like upgrading


    YOu don't have GMAIL on your phone?
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    *hanging head*....I just bought a new laptop...BUT I HAVE A GOOD REASON!! The travel one is Vista, and I just made sure it is all good and solid and it's going to my housekeeper who needs one and has been in a bit of the straights with finding work lately, and she is always asking if she can use it......so....she'll benefit from it...and I get a bigger screen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarnamluvu View Post
    Was just saying my view based on standard enterprise system policy, and I hear you, seems harsh. But then unless you have pull with the firm's IT VP or manager, you have little choice. I agree it seems out of line, I won't say otherwise.
    We are not allowed access to any personal mail or messaging network at work (and technically cell phones should be switched off as well) - so it could be worse!
    As is often the case with technical subjects we are presented with an unfortunate choice: an explanation that is accurate but incomprehensible, or comprehensible but wrong.
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    To be released next month and looks worth considering.

    Click on the link below if you want to know more about the S5


    Galaxy S5 and premium
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    I am an IPhone girl!!!!
    Iphone girls are a strange breed.
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    I'm probably stating the obvious that has been stated in the past comments - VPN.
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    I am an IPhone girl!!!!
    Iphone girls are a strange breed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I am an IPhone girl!!!!
    so what were prior to 2007 then ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
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    I am an IPhone girl!!!!
    so what were prior to 2007 then ?
    A Nokia
    A Blackberry (UGH)
    my first IPHONE was the IPHONE 3
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    Waiting for the 6
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    OP, do you have a phone data plan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarnamluvu View Post
    OP, do you have a phone data plan?
    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    if i had a mobile phone that could access the internet, the fact that the firewall is currently blocking gmail wouldn't be an issue
    otherwise i could do what river_rat advises and keep the 2 separate
    Sounds like no.
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    er...but then a data plan would circumvent the issue. His company's IT dept. don't monitor that, unless they own AT&T or Sprint....
    So he technically could surf porn all he wants if he has a data plan, and still use his Gmail account. He may mean wifi, but then that's different to a data plan.
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    OP, do you have a phone data plan?
    no - first time i've heard of it
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    OP, do you have a phone data plan?
    no - first time i've heard of it
    Look into it!
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