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  1. #1 Are there any internet rules/regulations on websites? 
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    are there any internet rules to not allow crackpot/fraud science websites?
    isnt there one?

    if there is, why isnt the crackpot/fraud science websites deleted/removed permanently?
    if there isnt, why wont/isnt there be/- one?


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    There aren't any, unfortunately. I believe that would be some sort of infringement upon freedom of expression/speech/religion/etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    if there isnt, why wont/isnt there be/- one?
    well, why?

    or no one thought of it before?





    SPECIFICALLY!:
    http://www.br13.com/html/3b_oxygen.html
    shouldnt it be taken down?
    at least with the reason he put a fake Ph.D.
    The plan to live till ~800 years old. this thread i made, people said its a fake PHD, so isnt there any internet regulations to prevent this fraud? or some law that will jail him and take down that website?

    or am i wrong, that the Ph.D. is real and the research is legitimate?
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    There's nothing illegal about lying on a website.

    You have to develop some critical thinking skills.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
    Prof Richard Feynman (1979) .....

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    Who do you want to be the gatekeeper shielding us from this bad information? What if the gatekeeper is a crackpot? No, I'd rather have all the information available so I can make up my own mind about it.
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    what about the legitimacy of having illegal Ph.D.s?

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    I'd rather have all the information available so I can make up my own mind about it.
    so then couldn't there be some internet regulation that states "If a website is a crackpot/fraud, it should be listed on the website."

    or is there one that isn't enforced?
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    I think if there are sites specifically set up to steal from people and the sites are kept on US servers there are laws that allow them to be shut down. Such as when you get an email that appears to be from your bank and they include a link to a page that looks just like your bank's sign in page but in reality it is a page set up to trick you into giving your sign in details. This is fraud and attempted theft by deception. The FBI does have a means of shutting down those sites and going after the owners of those sites. Also there was an international treaty signed recently that allows any government to enter any other country to arrest citizens for copyright infringement.

    For instance if the chinese government decides and american citizen has violated one of their copyright laws they can send their own police over here to arrest us, take us back to china and face their legal system. Recently the US entered, I think it was New Zealand or Australia, to arrest some guy there for posting videos of tv videos that its members uploaded. The site was megaupload.com. The FBI shut it down even though it was hosted in another country.

    CISPA is the next way of the government trying to control usage of the internet, but the law is written in a way that your privacy would no longer exist.
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    Is there no official global internet regulation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    what about the legitimacy of having illegal Ph.D.s?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    I'd rather have all the information available so I can make up my own mind about it.
    so then couldn't there be some internet regulation that states "If a website is a crackpot/fraud, it should be listed on the website."

    or is there one that isn't enforced?
    This is a simple situation of buyer beware. What you are asking for is that the government does all our thinking for us. That is exactly how people lose power. When you make yourself too lazy to think for yourself then your government can tell you anything and you just gobble it up. A rule of thumb... never TRUST without investigating if someone or something is worthy of trust. this is why most products and websites that are legitimate have user ratings and reviews. Always shop around and always verify information. No organization or company or government trusts you. They always ask you to prove who you are. They ask you to prove that the credit card you use is your own, and they ask you to prove you are not a spam bot. Face it, no one trusts you and you shouldn't trust anyone else. Always assume that what you are reading is full of crap until you can verify it's validity. It is your job to ensure you are not taken advantage of. No one else's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    are there any internet rules to not allow crackpot/fraud science websites?
    isnt there one?
    Are there any "real world" rules to not allow crackpot/fraud science books?
    If there isn't, why not?

    Think hard about it.
    And then consider the added difficulties with the internet.
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    So, the internet allows non-valid websites to be put up?

    so John E. Grinstein B. PhD from Life Span could not have a valid Ph.D.?

    Are there no rules about claiming false phds that you dont validly attained?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    So, the internet allows non-valid websites to be put up?
    Huh? How is this news?
    Haven't you seen any UFO "proof" sites?
    Haven't you come across any sites that "prove" 9/11 was a plot by the government?
    Haven't you seen sites claiming the Bible is utterly factual?

    so John E. Grinstein B. PhD from Life Span could not have a valid Ph.D.?
    Are there no rules about claiming false phds that you dont validly attained?
    There are "factories" that allow you to claim a PhD, you pay them a sum of money, and write a "dissertation" and you get awarded a PhD.
    I.e. you may well actually have a PhD, but it's worthless in the real world.

    Just like buying a plot of land on the Moon, or paying for a knighthood or baronetcy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    So, the internet allows non-valid websites to be put up?

    so John E. Grinstein B. PhD from Life Span could not have a valid Ph.D.?

    Are there no rules about claiming false phds that you dont validly attained?
    The guy who put up the site, probably beleives whole heartedly that his theory has merit. He probably even believes that his phd is valid. And a phd is just a document that says the issuing party believes the individual knows their stuff. A phd in general is meaningless unless it is issued by a reputable school. And sometimes even that isn't really worth the paper it is written on.

    Michael Jackson had a phd when he died. He didnt go around calling himself Dr Michael Jackson. He didn't publish websites or anything like that on science. His phd was honorary. Meaning he did NOT attend any classes to earn that degree. But some people are ignorant enough to think that any phd is a good phd. I know a guy that got "ordained" as a minister from an internet website. He actually thinks his orndainment certificate is valid and that he can legally conduct a wedding ceremony.

    The people who are crackpots usually believe the crackpot theories they promote. So in a way they are not actually lying or intending to deceive. They are simply deceived, themselves, by their own piss poor ability to think logically. They do not generally have malicious intent. They THINK they are helping people. That is why the sane people of the world have to be constantly aware of stupidity and be on guard to protect themselves from it. Unfortunately, it requires that you rid yourself of your own stupidity first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    what about the legitimacy of having illegal Ph.D.s?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    I'd rather have all the information available so I can make up my own mind about it.
    so then couldn't there be some internet regulation that states "If a website is a crackpot/fraud, it should be listed on the website."

    or is there one that isn't enforced?
    There can't be regulation but there are websites that review other websites. I could create a website that lists science websites and allows users to leave reviews of those sites. If the reviews prove useful then the site I created would gain favor and a good reputation. A similar very reputable website is factcheck.org. Snopes.com is another.

    Snopes identifies and debunks myths, urban legends and hoaxes. Both online and offline. Factcheck.org dedicates themselves to verifying claims for or against politicians. if the government outlawed lying, all our politicians woudl find themselves in jail. So lying in general public will never be illegal. It is only illegal to lie in court and it is rarely punished there either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    a phd is just a document that says the issuing party believes the individual knows their stuff.
    is there no law that governs phd?
    can phd simply be given by anyone, to anyone?
    don't government restrict how restrictive the regulations and the legitimacy on parties giving one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    a phd is just a document that says the issuing party believes the individual knows their stuff.
    is there no law that governs phd?
    can phd simply be given by anyone, to anyone?
    don't government restrict how restrictive the regulations and the legitimacy on parties giving one?
    in the united states the department of education employees a system of accreditation. this means that school must live up to minimal standards in order to get a seal of approval (accreditation) from the department of education. The school's curriculum is screened and standardized testing of students is done, as well as a screening process for the school's hiring process (meaning they make sure the instructors are actually educated in the fields they teach). Anyone can open a business and call it a school, issuing out diplomas and degrees. But unless that school has the seal of accreditation from the dept of education, the diplomas and degrees are worthless to anyone who actually verifies their validity. This is why there are so many "online universities" but you must check that these schools are properly accredited by the department of education. The dept of education publishes a list of all schools in the country with their accreditation numbers and when the accreditation is due for renewal.

    There is a technical school in indiana, I cannot remember which one, I think it was ITT Tech, that is not properly accredited. They did not make an announcement of this fact and many students continued to attend and get their degrees only to find out when they went to get jobs that their degrees were rejected by prospective employers due to the fact that the school was not accredited during the time they attended courses there.

    So if someone claims they have a degree, ask them from where. Where they received it is what makes a degree significant.


    Also, in regards to how strict you think the government should be in restricting things, remember, this is a FREE country. If you want constant government control on everything, move to China. they will give you all the restrictions you desire and then some.
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    Well, John Grinstein Ph.D. he had done an experiment.


    i am talking about the rat/mice in the atmosphere dome experiment
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    He says he's done an experiment.
    Has his paper been reviewed?
    What errors did he make?
    What other conculsions are possible?
    Is the experiment reproducible?

    The man started from a false assumption, how do we know his experiment was impartial, how do we know his write-up was impartial, how do we know his conclusion was the only possible one?
    He has an agenda: how much did that influence his experiment/ results?
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    Having a PhD, or even being a serious and well-respected expert in a field, is no guarantee of quality.

    Read the story of Erik Andrulis PhD and weep: Thanks, CWRU, for forcing me to get the paper bag out again – Respectful Insolence
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    Well, John Grinstein Ph.D. he had done an experiment.


    i am talking about the rat/mice in the atmosphere dome experiment
    I have done experiments too. But I haven't completed a single college level science course, well not favorably anyway. Jeffry Dahmer also did experiments, lots and lots of experiments. Would you have taken advice from him as well?
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    no. i wouldnt take advice from jeffry dahmer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Jeffry Dahmer also did experiments, lots and lots of experiments. Would you have taken advice from him as well?
    So has theorist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    Is there no official global internet regulation?
    There is one in China.

    Edit: Who would decide what is a crackpot site? What if a legitimate scientific idea, e.g. climate change, was threatening to certain businesses or individuals? Could they claim the science was faulty and have it taken down? These organizations can have PhDs on their payroll. Could food companies or companies that sell diet aids prevent research on nutrition from being published? What if someone has a personal dispute with someone who owns a website? Could they have the website taken down by claiming it was pseudoscience?

    Edit 2: Just had a look at that oxygen website. You should be able to tell, just by the style of language, for example, the way the word "intriguing" is used that this is not original, peer-reviewed scientific research. Go to a journal like PLOS to see what a real research study looks like.

    I am a science writer, not a scientist, and therefore use more colorful language myself, but I never claim to perform my own experiments.

    The use of the bible as scientific evidence is also a dead giveaway.

    You shouldn't need some internet authority to point this out to you.
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    Okay, now i get why there is no official internet regulation,thx alec.

    What about official strip-illegal-Ph.D-that-has-been-bought. regulation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    What about official strip-illegal-Ph.D-that-has-been-bought. regulation?
    You were given a link to the Wiki entry on Diploma Mills and informed that it's NOT an "illegal PHD" - just a worthless one.
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    "The law doesn't protect the fools." As for the fact that ANYONE is able to post ANYTHING with a few clicks, one is obligated to check everything. Don't blind-believe in everything. This is the best thing that can be done.
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    I meant globally enforced laws to shut down factories that give Ph.D.s without legitimate study/examination or some law about the requirements? (i see this as illegal)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    I meant globally enforced laws to shut down factories that give Ph.D.s without legitimate study/examination or some law about the requirements? (i see this as illegal)
    There can't be a "globally enforced law(s)" because we don't have an International Government or something like that, different countries have different laws.. There always will be some sort of an internet black-market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    I meant globally enforced laws to shut down factories that give Ph.D.s without legitimate study/examination or some law about the requirements? (i see this as illegal)
    Something becomes illegal when a governing body passes a law declaring that something to be illegal. Your personal dislike with something does not make that something illegal. If it did. Then being stupid would be illegal and the prisons would be so overcrowded. Because I dislike stupid people.
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    There is such a thing as international law, but individual countries have to agree to abide by these laws. It is often in their interest to do so, because they rely on other countries as allies. For example, there is an International Court of Justice and many international treaties and conventions. And of course there is the UN, which has its own military force. Countries that violate international law risk economic sanctions, such as blockades, or even military intervention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
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    I meant globally enforced laws to shut down factories that give Ph.D.s without legitimate study/examination or some law about the requirements? (i see this as illegal)
    Something becomes illegal when a governing body passes a law declaring that something to be illegal. Your personal dislike with something does not make that something illegal. If it did. Then being stupid would be illegal and the prisons would be so overcrowded. Because I dislike stupid people.
    Yes, some people see being stupid as illegal, some people don't, because being stupid is subjective. It can be: some people see him as stupid, some people dont.

    But i don't see why anyone will see someone as illegal, if someone received a Ph.D. that states: "Has successfully completed 12 Years of Neuro-Science Engineering and passed the official examination of Neuro-Science Oxford Examination", although that person did not go through any of those. As going through them is Objective. It cant be: some people see him as going through 12 years of studying and taking the examination.

    Aren't there "Officially-Allowed" learning institutes that have been checked for reliability by the government, to be able to give Ph.D.s?

    So can't i go set up my own company at home to sell Ph.D.s at 1 Euro each?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    I meant globally enforced laws to shut down factories that give Ph.D.s without legitimate study/examination or some law about the requirements? (i see this as illegal)
    Something becomes illegal when a governing body passes a law declaring that something to be illegal. Your personal dislike with something does not make that something illegal. If it did. Then being stupid would be illegal and the prisons would be so overcrowded. Because I dislike stupid people.
    Yes, some people see being stupid as illegal, some people don't, because being stupid is subjective. It can be: some people see him as stupid, some people dont.

    But i don't see why anyone will see someone as illegal, if someone received a Ph.D. that states: "Has successfully completed 12 Years of Neuro-Science Engineering and passed the official examination of Neuro-Science Oxford Examination", although that person did not go through any of those. As going through them is Objective. It cant be: some people see him as going through 12 years of studying and taking the examination.

    Aren't there "Officially-Allowed" learning institutes that have been checked for reliability by the government, to be able to give Ph.D.s?

    So can't i go set up my own company at home to sell Ph.D.s at 1 Euro each?
    This has already been answered. In the US the Dept of Education lists which schools are properly accredited. But any business that teaches you something is a school. And that school can issue certificates stating that you attended THEIR course or passed THEIR requirements for the degree they are issuing. Some schools are even allowed to issue degrees just because they like you. For instance Michael Jackson, the pop star had an honorary Phd. This is where you use YOUR noodle to figure out if the degree is valid. Check the credentials. Find out if the issuing school is accredited. If it is, you can validate the phd by contacting the school and verifying that the degree claimnent actually earned the degree.

    But a certificate is nothing more than a written statement of witness that the individual in question passed the standards held by the issuing party. I got a certificate when I was a kid for passing my CPR class in high school. The exact wording on the certificate was hilarious.. it stated

    "This is the certify that [seagypsy] has successfully passed an the un-certified CPR course conducted under the supervision of [name of teacher], EMT, employed by [name of hospital]."

    It was the dumbest thing I ever got. Basically, what everyone has been telling you is that you gotta take responsibility for yourself. Do not expect the government to do your thinking for you. Don't be lazy and don't be gullible. Stay in school, stay smart, and stay safe.
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    To summarize,
    1) There is no regulation on who can give Ph.D. (you said there is no rule about giving a certificate[about your CPR course], is Ph.D.s no different/different?)
    2) There is no regulation on how strict the Ph.D.'s stated accomplishments have to be rightfully done.
    3) "US the Dept of Education lists which schools are properly accredited." This is where to find legitimate Ph.D. givers.

    Conclusion,
    Anyone can give a Ph.D. to anyone else, even without completing the stated requirements. Ph.D. is meaningless, unless largely recognized.


    Is that what you have been trying to tell me all along?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    To summarize,
    1) There is no regulation on who can give Ph.D. (you said there is no rule about giving a certificate[about your CPR course], is Ph.D.s no different/different?)
    2) There is no regulation on how strict the Ph.D.'s stated accomplishments have to be rightfully done.
    3) "US the Dept of Education lists which schools are properly accredited." This is where to find legitimate Ph.D. givers.

    Conclusion,
    Anyone can give a Ph.D. to anyone else, even without completing the stated requirements. Ph.D. is meaningless, unless largely recognized.


    Is that what you have been trying to tell me all along?
    Yes that is what we are telling you.

    A PhD is just a certificate. It does not grant you any legal rights over anyone. It only states that someone thought you were awesome in some way, usually the reasons are explained on the certificate. Now if someone creates a false document claiming to have a degree from harvard when they don't even know where the college is located, depending on how they use that degree, they could possibly be brought up on charges. But I would think there would only be civil charges, meaning someone could sue them, but no criminal charges. Because like many of us have told you, you need to do your research and find out if someone's phd is credible. If you are sending money to purchase an item simply because someone who claims to have a phd says the item is good, then it can be argued that you are a fool. If someone who claims to have a phd says a product is good, that does not make him legally liable for the safety or quality of the item. He simply said he liked it. If he offers some guarantee that the item is good then he has to honor the guarantee and if he does not he can be sued for that. But the claim of the phd has little to do with that charge.

    Keep in mind, I am not a lawyer, but what I am telling you is regarded even among the most naive people I have ever known, to be common sense. In a society that is constantly out to sue one another, you have to learn how to cover your ass, from being sued or being a victim.

    In my opinion, most victims of wrong doings have been victimized twice. first they victimized themselves by putting themselves in harms way, and of course victimized by the one that actually hurt them.

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    but i think the bad thing about ph.d. is that it gives too good an impression about the public, that if i see the author having a Ph.D., his work would be legitimate.

    But its really annoying how people use Ph.D.s to write psudeoscience, and claiming that it is real science, not listing "psudeo" or even "my theory on ___something___",

    worst bit. Ph.D. owners may put up experiments that claimed to have been done, but havent even done the experiment.

    Look: www.br13.com/assets/images/ColPl_9a_3_mice_white.jpg

    although i could have been wrong, and this experiment might have been done before.



    How do i confirm that the results of this experiment/similar experiment has been confirmed? (by him/anybody else)
    I dont have apparatus at home, not the technology to do it by myself.
    Checking if he has a non-secure Ph.D. does not confirm this experiment to be invalid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    but i think the bad thing about ph.d. is that it gives too good an impression about the public, that if i see the author having a Ph.D., his work would be legitimate.

    But its really annoying how people use Ph.D.s to write psudeoscience, and claiming that it is real science, not listing "psudeo" or even "my theory on ___something___",

    worst bit. Ph.D. owners may put up experiments that claimed to have been done, but havent even done the experiment.

    Look: www.br13.com/assets/images/ColPl_9a_3_mice_white.jpg

    although i could have been wrong, and this experiment might have been done before.



    How do i confirm that the results of this experiment/similar experiment has been confirmed? (by him/anybody else)
    I dont have apparatus at home, not the technology to do it by myself.
    Checking if he has a non-secure Ph.D. does not confirm this experiment to be invalid.
    I think some of the more experienced and educated members here will have to help you here. I would suspect you do a lot of research. Do a simple internet search on the person's name and the experiment or study they are boasting. See if anyone has posted that htey are a fraud, then research those claims to see if they are valid. Pretty much you are never going to be in a position to know for certain, that is why you need to study the science for yourself. For instance I know that water freezes at 0 degrees C. So if someone states that their experiment takes into account that the boiling point of water is 0 degrees c. I know that their science is seriously screwed up and that is not the type of mistake a serious scientist would goof on .

    Other than that, I have to hang out with nerds and geeks and see what they tell me, then research THEIR claims. That's why I am here. to hang out with the geeks and nerds.
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    Are the atmospheric oxygen level proportional/affects the human lifespan?
    i've started a topic here to see if his results are frauded.(not that i am asking if the results would be true if the experiment took place, not: if the experiment took place)

    but the closest i got was a link to google's scholary articles, but the whole list there did not have experiments like this.

    the second closest i got was someone asking me to search for people living in moutians. but that would be different, as high areas have both 1) low air concentration 2) low atmospheric pressure

    but i wanted to know lifespan's propotional to just 1) low air concentration 2) normal atmospheric pressure
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    Hi. I am the person who suggested you look at people who have adapted to living in high mountains. It just popped into my head that there are already people who live in conditions of relatively low oxygen, so you can see how it affects them. The idea of looking at research articles in Google Scholar is also a good one. That doesn't mean you are going to find a paper on exactly the experiment you want. It means you can look at experiments that are related in some way to what you are interested in.

    Sometimes, when you have a question, you are not going to get a direct answer. You have to look at different pieces of related information, analyze them and then put everything together in your mind to draw your own conclusions. You also need to relate all this to what you know about the subject, in this case, what you know about how the human respiratory system works - what you already learned in school and anything more you can learn about the respiratory system on your own. You could also look at research on other things that seem to affect lifespan. I am sure this exists.

    A scientist doesn't just get an idea off the top of their head and then go out and perform an experiment. They look at the related research that has been done and use it to give themselves an idea of what they think will happen first.

    In fact, "crackpots" like the one you mentioned depend on people not doing any thinking for themselves, and just believing whatever they read.

    You have to train yourself to think critically.This doesn't apply just to science, but to any topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    To summarize,
    1) There is no regulation on who can give Ph.D. (you said there is no rule about giving a certificate[about your CPR course], is Ph.D.s no different/different?)
    2) There is no regulation on how strict the Ph.D.'s stated accomplishments have to be rightfully done
    There might be strict rules in some countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    How do i confirm that the results of this experiment/similar experiment has been confirmed? (by him/anybody else)
    You need to find the results published in a (reputable) peer reviewed journal. If you can't find it, ask the researcher where it has been published. If you get no reply, a stream of abuse or a claim that no one will publish them because they didn't go to the right school, then you know it is bogus.

    In the Pseudoscience section of this forum, we often have people telling us their work has been "published". This invariably means put on a website or published in some rag that will publish anything at all. (Sometimes these "journals" claim to be peer-reviewed, but that appears to mean they put it in front of their pet dog and he didn't throw up on it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    To summarize,
    1) There is no regulation on who can give Ph.D. (you said there is no rule about giving a certificate[about your CPR course], is Ph.D.s no different/different?)
    2) There is no regulation on how strict the Ph.D.'s stated accomplishments have to be rightfully done
    There might be strict rules in some countries.
    This got me thinking again: There is no regulation where you can give a certificate. But are there any regulations where you give the certificate, and if the certificate given is a Ph.D.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    This got me thinking again: There is no regulation where you can give a certificate. But are there any regulations where you give the certificate, and if the certificate given is a Ph.D.?
    Huh?

    What is the difference between "regulation where you can give a certificate" and "regulations where you give the certificate"?

    But, again, it may depend on the jurisdiction.
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    For example, in the UK:
    It is an offence in the UK for any organisation to offer a degree qualification which could be taken to be that of a UK institution unless the body making the offer is recognised by the UK authorities. The relevant legislation in this area is section 214 of the Education Reform Act 1988
    https://www.gov.uk/recognised-uk-degrees#bogus-degrees
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    This got me thinking again: There is no regulation where you can give a certificate. But are there any regulations where you give the certificate, and if the certificate given is a Ph.D.?
    Huh?

    What is the difference between "regulation where you can give a certificate" and "regulations where you give the certificate"?

    But, again, it may depend on the jurisdiction.
    First situation: Regulation where you can give a certificate.
    Second situation: Regulation where you can give a certificate if it is a Ph.D.?
    seagypsy said about the certificate of CPR. well, its not a Ph.D.

    isn't Ph.D. different? i thought its different from normal certs, since it allows recognition as a 'doctor'.
    if no, why are Ph.D.s so highly reputable?

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    again, a phd is JUST a certificate. Whether or not it is from a reputable school is only one thing you need to consider.

    Imagine this. I could take my sister's birth certificate, and steal her social security card and go to the driver's license branch and get a drivers license with her name and my picture on it. Essentially stealing her identity. Then any degree, certificate license issued to her could be attributed to me. As well as any warrants she might have out, which is why it is really dumb to steal someone's identity.

    So while someone may be showing you a legitimate phd from yale, you have no way of knowing, over hte internet if the person claiming to be Dr. Snooty Pants PhD yale is really Dr Snooty Pants.

    I can tell you right now that I am some celebrity pop star, but you have no way of knowing if i am or not. You have to decide if you can trust me or not. And that choice is yours and yours alone. I never trust anyone by default. I suspect everyone. Am I paranoid? Maybe, but I consider the validity of hte message, even if the messenger isn't one to be trusted. Some people like to create multiple ids on sites like this and pretend to be several different people. Maybe they get off on the deception or they are just mentally ill and actually have that many voice in their head and feel each one deserves its own online identity. their reasons are irrelevant. For all I know I have multiple personality disorder and every id on here is mine and my primary identity is totally unaware of the hundreds of others living in my head and making posts here.

    The point I am trying to make is, there are no absolute proofs of anything. This is why you need to learn wise judgement. Learn how to recognize the warning signs of deception. Learn how to verify claims. Learn how to protect yourself from scammers. The government can only do so much without becoming an oppressive mind controlling entity that no one wants to be ruled by.

    Freedom requires responsible behavior. If you want to maintain your freedom, you have to protect yourself from the actions of other free people. Don't be an easy target.
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