# Thread: How online poker works????

1.  anyone knows how online poker can provide random cards( THROUGH WHAT TALGORITHME?) AND IS THAT COMPLETLY TRUE .

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3. Online poker isn't much to talk about. You sit at home or wherever and play against a computer, wow what fun. Occassionaly you win but alas as with all poker anywhere your odds of winning are less than 1 percent.

4. There is no one answer to your question. Programmers each have their own techniques and styles when coding. It's kinda like asking "What mathmatical expression will give me the answer of 5?" There are countless combinations you could use.

5. you have to apply face values of cards to numbers 1-13 and suits to numbers 1-4. have the computer generate a random number between 1-13 and a random number 1-4. This will give you face value and the suit. to remove a previously chosen card from the deck you simply add a boolean verifier to it. if the next card matches any of the previously selected cards then rerun the "shuffle" to pick something else.

Weird, I couldn't figure that out when it was my assignment but it just came to me this time. my brain sucks.

6. pick_a_card();
while test_outcome_suitable()
pick_a_card();

play_card();

I mean , they may not randomly pick a card . the may pick heuristically determine a card to play (against the rules of poker...) to increase profis. who is regulating them ?

7. I used to play on Pokerstars a few years back, and I remember looking into how they shuffled the cards - I cannot remember the exact details, but it wasn't all done with digital programming, there was a random factor based on some physical/mechanical source of entropy!

And as PhDemon indicated, the odds of your winning are a lot more than 1 percent.

Poker is one of the only casino games where you can use skill to gain an advantage, even online. You can use the odds to your advantage, if you know what you are doing. Basically, you need to know how to calculate the odds of your winning the pot and never stake a percentage of the pot that is larger than the odds of winning the pot. If the "pot odds" (look it up) for your hand are 10 to 1, and the pot is \$1000, you should not bet more than \$100 in that round. If you ALWAYS do this, you will come out on top in the end.

8. Many people cheat at online poker by using several laptops and net connections to occupy several of the seats at the poker table, by doing this they have a significant advantage over others because they can then see many more of the cards and dramatically increase their hand win percentages, lots of ordinary players get scammed like this.

9. Originally Posted by Ascended
Many people cheat at online poker by using several laptops and net connections to occupy several of the seats at the poker table, by doing this they have a significant advantage over others because they can then see many more of the cards and dramatically increase their hand win percentages, lots of ordinary players get scammed like this.
I used to do that when playing poker in Pirates of the Caribbean online. Me and crewmates would be trying to get coin to buy a big bad ass ship for a quest. But no real money was ever involved. we just won coin from npc.

10. Originally Posted by seagypsy
Originally Posted by Ascended
Many people cheat at online poker by using several laptops and net connections to occupy several of the seats at the poker table, by doing this they have a significant advantage over others because they can then see many more of the cards and dramatically increase their hand win percentages, lots of ordinary players get scammed like this.
I used to do that when playing poker in Pirates of the Caribbean online. Me and crewmates would be trying to get coin to buy a big bad ass ship for a quest. But no real money was ever involved. we just won coin from npc.
Hey that's fine if you're just doing it for fun, don't like the idea though of some of the guys from here spending their time and money calculating the odds ect... and using the best of their skill only to be ripped off by some of the more unscrupulous people out there that like to cheat.

11. Originally Posted by Ascended
Originally Posted by seagypsy
Originally Posted by Ascended
Many people cheat at online poker by using several laptops and net connections to occupy several of the seats at the poker table, by doing this they have a significant advantage over others because they can then see many more of the cards and dramatically increase their hand win percentages, lots of ordinary players get scammed like this.
I used to do that when playing poker in Pirates of the Caribbean online. Me and crewmates would be trying to get coin to buy a big bad ass ship for a quest. But no real money was ever involved. we just won coin from npc.
Hey that's fine if you're just doing it for fun, don't like the idea though of some of the guys from here spending their time and money calculating the odds ect... and using the best of their skill only to be ripped off by some of the more unscrupulous people out there that like to cheat.
I agree, I cheat at video games, playing in god mode in skyrim and such, but I don't cheat against real opponents especially if real money is involved. That crap can get you killed if you aren't lucky enough to get locked up first.

12. Interesting.

Whilst it makes sense that occupying multiple seats at a table increases your chances of winning, due to you increasing the likelihood of being in the seat that was dealt the best hand, and also it allows you to know which of your hands is strongest and which should be discarded, I am unsure as to how much it decreases the chances of other people winning the hand...

...the pot odds remain the same for the other people on the table, regardless of whether they are playing against seven different people or 1 person holding seven different hands. Or so I would have thought.

13. Originally Posted by SpeedFreek
Interesting.

Whilst it makes sense that occupying multiple seats at a table increases your chances of winning, due to you increasing the likelihood of being in the seat that was dealt the best hand, and also it allows you to know which of your hands is strongest and which should be discarded, I am unsure as to how much it decreases the chances of other people winning the hand...

...the pot odds remain the same for the other people on the table, regardless of whether they are playing against seven different people or 1 person holding seven different hands. Or so I would have thought.

The biggest advantage it gives is the fact that the same person knows many more of the cards delt out and this for all the hands they are playing, meaning they have a greatly improved chance of working out what possible cards other players have been delt and indeed if they are likely to be stronger than one of the said hands the cheating player is using.
Normally a player only knows which cards he has been delt so it's much harder to work out if others are bluffing. So just playing the percentages with the added advantage of knowing many more of the cards already delt the cheating player will statistically win many more money as they will know when to back their hand and when to leave it alone.

Just as an example here imagine you have a pair of kings and an ace in your hand and another player is trying to bluff having a pair of aces in their hand normally you wouldn't know for sure whether they are bluffing or not, but just imagine that a ace has already been delt out twice, one to each of two other hands you are actually playing. This would then mean you are absolutely certain that they are bluffing and can more confidentely bet against them.

14. Originally Posted by SpeedFreek
Interesting.

Whilst it makes sense that occupying multiple seats at a table increases your chances of winning, due to you increasing the likelihood of being in the seat that was dealt the best hand, and also it allows you to know which of your hands is strongest and which should be discarded, I am unsure as to how much it decreases the chances of other people winning the hand...

...the pot odds remain the same for the other people on the table, regardless of whether they are playing against seven different people or 1 person holding seven different hands. Or so I would have thought.
Well if you are working with others or occupying the seats yourself, you communicate who has the better hand and you end up splitting the winnings or if all seats are by one person. the winnings can be fraudulently lost to the seat you want to hold the cash. By having them up the bets until one is out of coin to bet with. Then you have the one who is transferring money to another seat. fold no matter how good the hand was. But you don't want all your mates to fold if any outside player is still in the game. If you are playing against real players, (but not for real money) its a matter of psyching out the other player. bluffing your way. table cross talk can intimidate another player into folding even if they have a really good hand. but if you have enough seats occupied, its usually easier to just out bet them. the chances of them having a royal flush is pretty slim. and on pirates of the Caribbean online cheating is actually encouraged. There is an option with switching cards in your hand with ones in your back pocket. but there is a risk of being caught and thrown in one of the island jails.

15. Right, I see what you both mean now.

But...

...it still doesn't change the fact that, as long as you never make a bet larger than your own pot odds, you will come out on top in the end. Pot odds aren't based on bluffing or representing a stronger hand than you are holding, they are based on the number of "outs" you have for the hand you are actually holding. Pot odds do not change if those "out" cards are still in the deck, or in the hands of another player.

16. Originally Posted by SpeedFreek
Right, I see what you both mean now.

But...

...it still doesn't change the fact that, as long as you never make a bet larger than your own pot odds, you will come out on top in the end. Pot odds aren't based on bluffing or representing a stronger hand than you are holding, they are based on the number of "outs" you have for the hand you are actually holding. Pot odds do not change if those "out" cards are still in the deck, or in the hands of another player.

You can play to the odds but the problem you'll always face if others are cheating by having several hands and knowing many of the cards already drawn is that every hand you play your opponents are far more likely to know what it is than you to theirs, this means when you do have a good hand they'll simply not bet against you. This means even when you can win you still can't actually win any money and every hand you play you are up against poor odds because you have to compete against several other hands.

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