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January 3rd, 2013, 10:26 PM
The functionality is great and the design is cool, no more faffing about with clicking through windows and using the original start bar to get where you want to be. I'm not so sure why there is a lot of hate for it! Has anyone else tried it? Opinions?
I've been using Windows 8 Enterprise Edition for about 3 months now. I miss the start button menu, so I'm using Windows Classic Shell and by passing the metro interface. Most people that use computer have a finite set to tasks they always perform, and they do not like to deviate from them. I've been using a two screen desktop for years and missed the start button for recent documents.
Additionally, the suspend mode is better and faster than Win7. I no longer power off my pc.
January 4th, 2013, 07:06 AM
i am using dell inspiron . will it be good if i update to windows 8
Win 8 isn't that much better than Win 7 except that it was made for tablets and smart cell phone use more so than regular PC use. I have not upgraded to Win 8 because it doesn't have much more that it can do than Win 7 already does for me on my PC and I do not have a cell phone or tablet.
I've heard a lot of people hate its flagship device, Microsoft Surface. What are you using?
I'm not sure I'm a fan of a unified OS for multiple platforms. I only played with 8 briefly in the store, but I prefer a less stylistic approach to my OS. I don't like splash screens and icons chosen for me. I like nested folders and an OS that takes a very passive approach to the way my things are organized.
I loathe the way my tablet is set up and I'm not a fan of the Xbox 360 menu. All that design gets in the way of the functionality. But, I think I might be a dinosaur when it comes to these things.
I'm going to wait until someone else I know gets 8 and try it out then. I'm not really feeling it right now.
Windows 8 is a pain to use! I am using an Acer Aspire One Netbook. The screen jumps around too fast, the desktop is not very intuitive and is excruciating to use! I want to be in control, not the OS! The OS was obviously designed to do all your thinking and hypnotize you to buy all the crap they are pushing with the pre-installed apps! I am about ready to wipe the HD and install XP! Where can I find a good tutorial on Win 8 that can give me a clue on how to use the OS?
Listen, I bought a Windows 8 as soon as it was released, and I can say that Windows 8 is better than any previous version of Windows. It looks better, it feels better, and It's far more stable. But yeah, there's a lot of hate for it, just because people got used to old look and feel. Also, many thinks that removing the Start Menu was really bad idea, and that Start Menu was one of the most important options on older Windows versions. Of course, there are many replacements apps for Start Menu, but that just Isn't the real Start Menu.
Windows 8 + SSD = pure win in terms of boot times
And even with the classic HDD, the Windows 8 boots up faster than any other Windows.
People usually buy something because it has been upgraded to a better way of doing things and improving the way it oprerates. So Win 8 doesn't do either of those things it seems from reading those who posted here other than speed yp boot up time and that to me isn't what I'd buy a new OS for.
Both 7 and 8 are NT based O.S. Since 7 could be considered a test for the new design, 8 gave MicroSnot the chance to work out issues that 7 revealed.Originally Posted by Vlado
Unlike Vista, which was not NT based, 8 has more usability and user control for modification and tweaking the system.
But the downside is:
Replacing a user fundamental in which the market is already conditioned to and familiar with was a bad move. Some people like it, but an option to alter and customize the start menu heavily would have been much more satisfactory. Microsnot probably had to weigh some pros and cons and then choose to go the way they did.
A lot of the other changes, such as filing systems and user protection were too heavy for many advanced and accustomed Windoze users. It's more functional that Vista (which had major security holes in spite of the extremely annoying pop up confirmations for everything from opening a file to sneezing on the monitor) but still leaves much to be desired.
In the end, Microsnot is too well known and accepted as the Market for them to fear annoying the consumers. They are well aware after all these years that the consumers will grumble, gripe and threaten, but are over-all complacent little addicts that will always come back for more.
Sadly, the days of Red Hat are pretty much done. What we've got now is bloated Ubuntu like Crap from what used to be the only choice for serious end users and servers.
Windows was always paid OS, so you can always expect more from Windows than from Ubuntu and other open source operating systems. ( I'm not talking about programming option, I'm talking about options that ordinary user needs.)
And I think that Windows 8 brought more good things than bad things. My opinion is, Windows 8 is worth buying. Just to notice, I'm not trying to sound like a fanboy, I'm just expressing my impressions on Windows 8.
Heh... Not very experienced with Linux, are you?
No, not really. I never found it very useful, even though It's open source.
Both 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8 and their server counterparts are NT-based operating systems.
Vista has kernel number 6.0, 7 and 8 respectively 6.1, 6.2. These version numbers are not obligated to be meaningful in general case, but here we can see that 7 and 8 are basically tweaks of Vista. You can study driver model of XP from one side and Vista, 7 and 8 from another to make this clear for yourself.
I only tried 8 inside a virtual machine, so I don't have any user experience with a real system. I installed Release Preview inside VirtualBox when RP became available.
Here is my opinion:
1) I don't want integration with MS online services. This might be convenient, but I don't want it built in.
2) Tiled interface wastes screen space. You might need large tiles to tap them on a touchscreen, but opening a full screen menu looks like flickering.
3) I haven't encountered this personally, but there was an article on Slashdot, claiming that preinstalled apps show advertisements. That's another thing I want to avoid.
Starting from Vista I dislike the direction MS goes. Currently I have dual-boot Windows 7 / Linux system and I'm slowly switching to Linux.
I just double checked and you're correct- I stand corrected.
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Let me expand on my comments. I first started using computers at the University of RI computer lab where you had to punch your program on cards that was run on an IBM 360. My first use of a desktop PC was on a dual floppy, DOS based system that did not even have a hard drive. (Ah-h-h...do you feel the nostalgia kicking in!) I later purchased a Win 95 machine which a friend, by providing much valuable instruction, showed me how to repair, maintain and upgrade. I went the usual route of upgrades to Win 98 and XP.
Every time I installed a new OS, I always placed Windows Explorer on the desktop. I want to be able to take a look at the file system in my PC. I always installed my choice of diagnostic tools. I want to have that level of control over the beast. With Win 8, I haven't a clue as to what is going on in the OS. I cannot look at the file system of the PC, or anything, (data sticks, etc.),I plug into it. To be honest, I don't even know how to shut the PC down properly!There is no shutdown menu, as far as I can tell. I just end up using the power switch. There are no diagnostics, that I can find, and the little beast seems to want to report back to Microsoft with every keystroke!
This is why I am looking for a good tutorial, or book, on the Win 8 OS. Nothing of value in the way of instruction(s) came with the PC. It seems that they just want you to be awed by all the flash and dash, bells and whistles, and be hypnotized in pursuing their links that encourage you to spend money on more stuff they are promoting!
Yeah, you need some time to get used to Windows 8 and Microsoft made some functions more complicated than necessary ( as efbjr said, options to shut down your PC is unnecessary hidden on few places- on the hidden menu on the right side, or you can shut it down using ctrl+alt+delete option ). But even with those little flaws, Windows 8 is still pretty good and usable.
I used Linux and it is a very smooth OS but for everyday functionality windows still wins hands down not just with ease of installation of applications but also with availability of games/program compatibility. I find you have to be skilled and learn more than you would need to with Mac/Win, provided what I use windows for, for me Windows 8 is the best OS I've ever used, not to mention the direction touch interfaces devices are going, desktops will likely die out eventually.
From what my friend tells me, it's a lot faster than 7, and you eventually get used to the new interface. He says it's kinda like having 2 separate OS on the same computer. I borrowed his disk, and installed it without activating it the last time I did "clean sweep" (f-ing google redirect rootkit!) Just to try it out before buying it. There is no win8 driver for my raid controller on my motherboard...so I never could get it to see my raid drive...so that was deal breaker for me. I just wiped it, and reinstalled 7.
Stay away from Ubuntu then. The new Unity desktop is pure, iOS/win8 crap, massive icons and hard to find anything. I ended up replacing it with Gnome 3 which is a bit better, however I long for the old gnome 2 interface.I just double checked and you're correct- I stand corrected.-Applause-
I love windows 8, though when I first began to use it I detested it.
Oh...there is a hidden menu on the right side of the desktop. What genius came up with the idea of hiding it there? I gotta find a book...is there a Windows 8 for Dummies in print, yet?
January 24th, 2013, 10:44 PM
Windows 8 + Good hardware + SSD + Start8 = sexy
I personally think Windows 8 couldn't get any sexier.
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Could it be that maybe (just maybe) that commercial company (like Microsoft) avoid open-source innovation because they are afraid of the licence?? I'm pretty sure open-source interface (desktop) can become really powerfull/intuitive after some point after soo many people added improvement to it. -Its like crowdsourcing the job to make an 'ideal interface' where there're many idealist coder add code out of passion and not money, improving stuff step-by-step organicly.Stay away from Ubuntu then. The new Unity desktop is pure, iOS/win8 crap, massive icons and hard to find anything. I ended up replacing it with Gnome 3 which is a bit better, however I long for the old gnome 2 interface.
I just wonder, why is Microsoft and Apple try to make new interface while there are existing one with better feature way ahead of them? is it because of the legal work of open-source licence? The innovation should be easy as copy-paste code I think (ie: viola! copy-paste new code you got wiggly desktop that move like jelly!).
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I remember this stuff I read somewhere: In some earlier version of Windows you got this "up one folder" button in Window Explorer (so you can easily go up one folder without pressing 'back', since 'back' could mean anything from go to previous folder or another location), then in newer Window (ie: Vista, 7) they removed this tiny feature/button which later re-added in Window 8 if I'm not mistaken. WHy do they had this decision to remove a button that is purely harmless??? I have no idea what's this really mean.
Maybe it mean their design process is not 'fun' I guess.
Last edited by msafwan; January 25th, 2013 at 12:19 AM.
I have them for the past month..Faster and more stable. I really like them
February 12th, 2013, 03:34 PM
Well, I have calmed down quite a bit. I finally got the little Windows 8 beast under a modicum of control. I used the IE/Bing browser to download Mozilla Firefox, a user-friendly, non-intrusive browser (IMHO). I also downloaded Power 8, a free app that reconfigures the desktop to the familiar form of earlier Windows OSs. I could not get the Win 8 OS to recognize my HP Officejet 4500 printer until I downloaded a 380 meg (!) updated installation file. The familiar desktop provided by the Power 8 app has made things a lot easier for me, but I still can,t figure out if there is a search feature to find a specific file, of if there are any built in diagnostics (defrag, system restore point, etc.) that I can access. Still working with the OS. They should have included Prozac with the netbook!<br>
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Let me expand on my comments. I first started using computers at the University of RI computer lab where you had to punch your program on cards that was run on an IBM 360. My first use of a desktop PC was on a dual floppy, DOS based system that did not even have a hard drive. (Ah-h-h...do you feel the nostalgia kicking in!) I later purchased a Win 95 machine which a friend, by providing much valuable instruction, showed me how to repair, maintain and upgrade. I went the usual route of upgrades to Win 98 and XP.
Every time I installed a new OS, I always placed Windows Explorer on the desktop. I want to be able to take a look at the file system in my PC. I always installed my choice of diagnostic tools. I want to have that level of control over the beast. With Win 8, I haven't a clue as to what is going on in the OS. I cannot look at the file system of the PC, or anything, (data sticks, etc.),I plug into it. To be honest, I don't even know how to shut the PC down properly!There is no shutdown menu, as far as I can tell. I just end up using the power switch. There are no diagnostics, that I can find, and the little beast seems to want to report back to Microsoft with every keystroke!
This is why I am looking for a good tutorial, or book, on the Win 8 OS. Nothing of value in the way of instruction(s) came with the PC. It seems that they just want you to be awed by all the flash and dash, bells and whistles, and be hypnotized in pursuing their links that encourage you to spend money on more stuff they are promoting!
Much calmer, now!Well, I have calmed down quite a bit. I finally got the little Windows 8 beast under a modicum of control. I used the IE/Bing browser to download Mozilla Firefox, a user-friendly, non-intrusive browser (IMHO). I also downloaded Power 8, a free app that reconfigures the desktop to the familiar form of earlier Windows OSs. I could not get the Win 8 OS to recognize my HP Officejet 4500 printer until I downloaded a 380 meg (!) updated installation file. The familiar desktop provided by the Power 8 app has made things a lot easier for me, but I still can,t figure out if there is a search feature to find a specific file, of if there are any built in diagnostics (defrag, system restore point, etc.) that I can access. Still working with the OS. They should have included Prozac with the netbook!<br>
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Let me expand on my comments. I first started using computers at the University of RI computer lab where you had to punch your program on cards that was run on an IBM 360. My first use of a desktop PC was on a dual floppy, DOS based system that did not even have a hard drive. (Ah-h-h...do you feel the nostalgia kicking in!) I later purchased a Win 95 machine which a friend, by providing much valuable instruction, showed me how to repair, maintain and upgrade. I went the usual route of upgrades to Win 98 and XP.
Every time I installed a new OS, I always placed Windows Explorer on the desktop. I want to be able to take a look at the file system in my PC. I always installed my choice of diagnostic tools. I want to have that level of control over the beast. With Win 8, I haven't a clue as to what is going on in the OS. I cannot look at the file system of the PC, or anything, (data sticks, etc.),I plug into it. To be honest, I don't even know how to shut the PC down properly!There is no shutdown menu, as far as I can tell. I just end up using the power switch. There are no diagnostics, that I can find, and the little beast seems to want to report back to Microsoft with every keystroke!
This is why I am looking for a good tutorial, or book, on the Win 8 OS. Nothing of value in the way of instruction(s) came with the PC. It seems that they just want you to be awed by all the flash and dash, bells and whistles, and be hypnotized in pursuing their links that encourage you to spend money on more stuff they are promoting!
I decided I only liked Windows 8 after I chucked my desktop out the window, when I used a friends. At first, I found it had a rather confusing layout, but after a considerable amount of time filled with frustration I came to love it.
Windows 8?
I prefer Windows XP SP 3 to be honest, I know some things might not be compatible with it, but I'm not a coder type of a user, I need basic stuff, in my personal opinion, Windows 7 has more things than it should, many games may not function properly because Windows 7 consumes more VRAM (Video Ram) than Windows XP, plus, I can just install XP with Windows 7 theme.. Windows XP is a simple OS without any extra unwanted decoration although it's a great OS, it's no match for XP.
Win XP is unsupported software. It has memory had file limitations that can not handle present robust applications.
Windows Support has never had a strong reputation of being very supportive...
Details? What applications cannot be initialized on X.P. that are not O.S. specific?
The software vendor, Microsoft, no offers mainstream support of Win XP. That ended in 2009.
Windows XP (X86) was deployed with memory limit of 4GB.
Windows XP (FAT32) had a volume format limit of 32GB.
Windows XP (FAT32) had a file limit of just under 4GB
Windows Memory Limits
Limits of FAT32 in Win XP
MS Product Life cycle
This is my windows 8 desktop. I don't use the start button that is provided by windows 8 that happens to appear when you push your mouse to the furthest point possible in the upper right hand corner of the screen. doing this will cause the vertical tool bar to appear with its "charms" as they call them now. The start button gives you almost nothing useful except that annoying app button screen that you usually see on a "smart" (aka stupid monkey ass reprehensible trash) phone. you can click search and type in c:\ to see whats on your hd but it still won't show you nested files. it will just show you EVERYTHING that is on your computer and highlighting the tile will reveal its location on your system.
but you probably notice i have an old fashioned start button and even a power button on my task bar. Well that start button was an app I installed. I don't remember where I found it but i got it by google searching "where is my goddamned start button on windows 8" this ultimately led me to the app to restore that precious little item and as you can see it presents all the lovely gems the old start button did. Most importantly, nested file directories.
apparently this is where I got the start button from. it is extremely customizable to look like classic, xp, vista, or 7. you can customize settings for sounds, behaviors, skins or whatever. Make it yours. Pretty much something microsoft never seems to realize the user wants to do. They say, "Personalize it as long as you do it the way we want you to."
Last edited by seagypsy; March 6th, 2013 at 02:44 AM.
Mr Mojo- I have good news. None of what you said is accurate.
XP uses NTFS, and if your files are formatted in FAT32, converting over to NTFS is quick, easy and painless.
XP was not deployed with a 4gig mem limit, that was imposed in Service Patch 2 and removable. I'll post a link explaining how once I find one.
I'm sorry, I don't feel like typing out a tutorial... I leave stuff like that to MacGyver who is much better at it, what with the screenshots and careful wording and the complete descriptions and the puddin' pops...
ETA: This will do...:
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=960087&mpage=1
ETA2: What you said about MS Support is accurate, sorry. Didn't notice that- I never said that their support didn't end. I only said MS Support sucks and having it end is not particularly frightening.
ETA3: Editing is fun...
http://aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.php
Thanks, I'll tell Microsoft that there web information about their product is inaccurate.
I appreciate that.
I prefer win 7. Can`t get used with win8 no matter how much I try...
I bought a Zenbook Prime with W8. When I discovered the little window that let me revert to the old Windows mode, I immediately clicked it and I haven't gone back. I don't like the "desktop" in W8. I don't need icons flashing things at me from all over the screen like some news channel running tickers and side stories all over the place.
I just want my static icons.
Man, I'm getting old.
I had to get 8 and learn to work with it. Programmers that can't learn to use the latest OSs will be left in the dust with the new kids taking all the jobs. I have managed to customize it to my tastes well enough that I am now pretty attached to it and rarely go back to my old machine for anything.
Good News: I am still using Window XP and I don't have any problem with it....
Bad News: Microsoft has annonced they are shutting down support for it....
Our home network has machines on xp, vista and 8 lol. I want to convert one over to linux so my kids can learn how to use it. But I doubt they will use it if I convert it over lol.
I hate Windows 8.
My mum bought it and installed it on her laptop, after some PC World idiot sold it to her whilst I wasn't with her, and didn't give her the advice to not buy it.
It's functionality is just awful. She doesn't have a touchscreen laptop, and therefore deems it pointless, in my opinion. She didn't understand it for quite a while, and still doesn't really. I can't understand what it must be like for someone who doesn't have someone relatively good with ICT living with them, when their laptop goes tits up due to the lack of thought that went into Windows 8. She couldn't even open her Documents. Her DOCUMENTS.
She got a virus, which I had to remove. This was a task in itself to boot up in safe mode, as the usual spam of F8 doesn't do the trick anymore. There was just unnecessary faff that went into booting up in Safe Mode.
The fact she has to have Windows 7 or another OS before Windows 8 installed made it stupid.
Personally, I dislike it a lot. But that's my own opinion, and I am quite a lover of Windows 7.
Here I am still griping that I have to use XPpro instead of 2000NT.
At least now we have a new excuse for not completing our homework. Instead of the dog eating your homework, you can say "Windows 8 my homework" and the teacher may actually believe you.
Why oh why is there no 'dislike' option?
Everybody now stop, hey , what's that sound, Neverfly just posted a frown.Why oh why is there no 'dislike' option?
Everybody now stop, hey , what's that sound, Shlunka just acted like a clown.
I just double checked and you're correct- I stand corrected.
-Applause-There's something happening here, NF's intentions aren't exactly clear...
There's a man with an OS over there. Tellin' me Windows has the best software.
There's graphic interface bein' drawn. Nobody likes bein' Bill Gates' pawn.
Windows 8 is a bit difficult to use and has less user friendly specifications. I always prefer Windows 7 instead of Windows 8. Windows 7 has better and easy to use specifications.
Wait until the update schedule for late this summer, there are suggestions that the Start button and booting directly to the Desktop will return with update 8.1 (code name Windows Blue).
Windows Blue could restore the Start button, boot straight to the desktop
I use Windows 8 and I do not have any complaints about it.
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