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  1. #1 Dreamweaver QuestionS! 
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    Just started using Dreamweaver, got the "Dreamweaver for dummies" guide
    n` all but still am puzzled about few of the main features of dreamweaver.

    For Instense; for my new site I'm looking to use a template that I'm gonna
    alter muchly but the 'editable regions' of Dremweaver have too annoying design
    (at least with my proporties), I mean it gives me 3 pixels of space to put content
    in and the blueish box of it expands as I add content.. :/

    Can't I like set the WHOLE div tag or table or whatever as "editable" and not
    just regions within the div/table/whateva??

    I'm sure I'mm be having more questions regarding Dreamweaver(that's why I
    called this thread "Dreamweaver Question--s--" xD), but for now
    I only have this one.

    In advance I appreciate any answers that I'd get, cyaz for now :wink:


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    plzzZZzzzzzzZz answaaarrrrr...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Areo
    I used to do that like 3-4 years ago and I haven't been using DW ever since.
    Lawl, that explains it xD
    Back then DW was still Macromedia's and many changes has been added since.
    To create sites units DW you don't need to even know the very basics of html, just to
    know how to manipulate Dreamweaver's functions.

    Div tags are little boxes btw, ya can put there any content you want to keep it within boundries.
    In DW you can create templates to make creating big sites MUCH more easyer.
    And later if you want to change your site's general interface(theme) you just
    change the template file.

    In those template files you can create "Editable Regions" which are not a part of the
    template, and once you create a page with that template and later make and sitewide
    change the editable region won't change.

    But for me the editable region box seems too small(about the size of 4 capital letters)..
    Does anyone know how to make it bigger so I can visually drop images in the right places(if I'm using AP div that is)??

    p.s. Tables are so last season... Div's FTW!! xD
    p.s.s. offcourse I know how to use CSS.. sheesh....
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    Areo's point is still valid. Dreamweaver is fine if you're taking graphic design courses at a community college, but nobody worth their salt in web development uses code generating software. It's a crutch, and the sooner you abandon it the better off you'll be. Troubleshooting cross-browser deployments with it is a nightmare; it's a pain enough sorting through code you've handwritten, let alone deciphering the bloated javascript workarounds Dreamweaver injects into its projects.

    Use it for prototyping if you need to, but when it's business time, open up notepad or a good color-coded HTML Editor.
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    I be you have a limited understading of Dreamweaver's functions also.. sheesh...
    Don't attack the thing which is unknown to you.

    One who knows how to use Dreamweaver well can make the same quality site
    as the one which coded it by hand, only much faster!

    Dreamweaver was especially built to make life easyer for site coders, the ones
    which don't use it eather hate it/don't understand it, or simply prefer manual coding
    because the are already accostumed to it and don't want to brake the rut.

    I don't see any reason for not using dreamweaver, especially if you're refraining from
    using javascript in your sites at all.

    Fast and easy site building -- Troublesome, complicated, time consiming website
    manual coding... I wonder which one is better?
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    Look whose making the assumptions. You've apparently never bothered to actually learn how to write good code or you wouldn't be using any manner of web suite. Take your Dreamweaver file to the closest professional web development firm and they'll probably laugh at you.

    Try writing a mature web application addressing secure connectivity, any kind of dynamic content generation, user-supplied CSS support, efficient database usage, I don't care. Unless you're making something from 1995, Dreamweaver is only learning tool, and at best, an expensive FTP program.

    Fast and easy site building -- Troublesome, complicated, time consiming website
    manual coding... I wonder which one is better?
    Hmm, a geocities website, or a well designed, user friendly, standards compliant, cross-platform web application? I'm not telling you to drop Dreamweaver because I hate you, I'm telling you for the same reason I said before: its a crutch. It's like learning to recite popular phrases out of a French book and saying you can speak French, or memorizing some sheet music instead of learning how to actually play. I suppose it just depends on how serious you are about web programming.

    Also, troublesome, complicated, and time-consuming are relative. Personally I find it harder and more time-consuming to reverse-engineer Dreamweaver to get it to do what I want it to do, than to do everything my way in notepad, and it almost always involves ignoring Dreamweaver's 'easy site building' IDE, taking into Code view, and hand-coding it myself anyway. The same goes for GoLive, back when it was alive.

    http://www.w3schools.com/

    Arm yourself with knowledge.
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    i've never used dreamweaver - instead i use a basic text editor and knowledge of HTML, CSS, JavaScript, ASP and PHP in my head

    when it comes to styling <DIV>s, all you need to do is type :

    Code:
    <div style="font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold; color: red; text-align: center; border: 1px solid blue;">some content</div>
    and you've styled a <div>
    simple, if you know what you're doing
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    I agree that creating powerful websites such as Amazon, eBay or PayPal you're
    better off coding it by hand as you'll need to create new features to it which will
    be a pain in the butt trying to combine with Dreamweaver's code/interface.

    BUT for all else(the major portion of the sites built), like eCommerce sites,
    information sites or just front and sub pages -- Dreamweaver is the choice to go.

    imo, dreamweaver is a gr8 tool to build this kind of sites because you can see your
    work in real time, and you can style your sites visually.
    AP Divs(DW's name for layer divs) for example, you just click and draw it on
    your screen and it automatically calculates the Top and Left distance from the edges of the screen. Easy!

    p.s. marnixR, in DW you just punch a button and it creates a div for ya..

    p.s.s. I dun want this topic be going any further to DW vs Coding war direction..
    I asked a question and yet to get an answer, all who's about to preach me
    to learn Coding and drop dreamweaver, please don't post.
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    not preaching - i've got someone in the office who is a wizz on dreamweaver + creates great-looking designs, but dreamweaver can only take you this far + if you want any more you'll find it has its limitations

    + the best way to advance your knowledge of how to things is to look behind the code dreamweaver has created + see how you can copy it
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    If I'll want to cre8 advanced foncutions to my site I'd hire a speialist thankyouverymuch.

    I ain't got no energies nor the will 2 learn complex coding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    I ain't got no energies nor the will 2 learn complex coding.
    trust me : it's your loss
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