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    So, I know this may not be the most legal thing otu there, but does anybody know haw to make or get nitro glycerin? I'ce been wanting some for a while now, but I don't know how to get it. Any suggestions?


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    Quote Originally Posted by buffstuff
    So, I know this may not be the most legal thing otu there, but does anybody know haw to make or get nitro glycerin? I'ce been wanting some for a while now, but I don't know how to get it. Any suggestions?
    Can I ask just one question? What would you use it for?

    I guess that's two questions


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    My suggestion ? Don't even go there. Of all high explosives nitroglycerin is probably one of the most dangerous as it's very unstable. Even for other, more stable, high explosives I think it's pretty stupid to try to synthesize them yourself. At the very least don't use any of the recipes you find on the internet. If you're lucky it just won't work. If not it may as well blow up in your face. And no, it's not funny to have high explosives blow shrapnel and corrosive acid in your face. Again if you're lucky you'll just be so ugly not a single girl will ever want to date you, but the more probable outcome is you'll not survive it.

    I know pyrotechnics can be a great hobby so if you're serious about it get some good books about it. Start small and always follow the safety guidelines. After not to long you'll find out that making great display fireworks is far more rewarding than blowing things up.

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    I'm not gonna give you exacts, because that would just be stupid of me.

    Basically you take nitric acid, and mix it with sulphuric acid. You keep this solution ice cold as the chemical reaction takes place. Next you slowly add glycerin, again keeping it ice cold as the nitration occurs. After that is done, you need to neutralize the sulphuric acid and extract it from the solution. What is left will be nitroglycerin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sploit
    I'm not gonna give you exacts, because that would just be stupid of me.

    Basically you take nitric acid, and mix it with sulphuric acid. You keep this solution ice cold as the chemical reaction takes place. Next you slowly add glycerin, again keeping it ice cold as the nitration occurs. After that is done, you need to neutralize the sulphuric acid and extract it from the solution. What is left will be nitroglycerin.
    Ice cold? Although I don't have access to the exact specs right now, the temperatures are a bit more specific than that. Also, the stuff is incredibly unstable at this state. This is best done in an advanced lab where there is a lot of concrete between you and the actual substance.

    If you want explosive power, I suggest buying a newspaper, buying some artificial fertilizer, putting it in the newspaper, making a ball out of it, and drenching it with gasoline. Than, torch and run. Fast.

    Also, it does not include buying lots of chemicals and it is a lot more stable during preparation than nitro-glycerin. Also, this stuff has as a lot of stopping power. If you are looking for something to blow a hole in a wall, that's the stuff, if you position it properly, that is.

    Still, we should not speak of this. Make love, not war! :P

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    I was being vague about how to make it on purpose.

    Nitro could be used for more than just war. It has practical uses in mining, and if the energy could be controlled it could be used for propulsion or other means.

    Also, wouldn't it be cool if just the smallest bit were added to gasoline? Octane rating 3,000,000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sploit
    I was being vague about how to make it on purpose.

    Nitro could be used for more than just war. It has practical uses in mining, and if the energy could be controlled it could be used for propulsion or other means.

    Also, wouldn't it be cool if just the smallest bit were added to gasoline? Octane rating 3,000,000.
    . I think I'll stick to hydrogen fuel, thank you. Although it would drastically increase performance of a car, I doubt it would be cost-effificient. Although I'm not sure, I bet the price for dynamite is a bit higher than carbon-hydrogen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sploit
    Also, wouldn't it be cool if just the smallest bit were added to gasoline? Octane rating 3,000,000.
    That wouldn't be cool at all. The octane rating is a measure of how much the fuel air mixture can be compressed before it will spontaneously ignite. As nitro glycerine is really unstable I think it's more likely it will lower the octane rating. This is very bad as it will cause the fuel air mixture to iginite prematurely. Having the mixture explode as the piston is still moving downwards is an efective way to destroy the engine in record time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DEChengst
    Quote Originally Posted by sploit
    Also, wouldn't it be cool if just the smallest bit were added to gasoline? Octane rating 3,000,000.
    That wouldn't be cool at all. The octane rating is a measure of how much the fuel air mixture can be compressed before it will spontaneously ignite. As nitro glycerine is really unstable I think it's more likely it will lower the octane rating. This is very bad as it will cause the fuel air mixture to iginite prematurely. Having the mixture explode as the piston is still moving downwards is an efective way to destroy the engine in record time.
    I was thinking the same thing, Higher octane fuel is actually more stable and can be compressed to a higher degree, this is why it's used in high compression engines.

    I'm not sure of the scientific term, but I think low octane is also High Flash point, not sure.
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    sigh .... I knew someone would point out the technicalities of that.
    Higher octane fuel explodes more violently because it is compressed higher. All I meant by the comment was that the fuel would explode with much more force (acting as a boost like no2).

    Before I posted that comment I had actually written out about the difference between what octane ratings are and what I meant, but I erased it because I figured no one would point it out. I was mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sploit
    sigh .... I knew someone would point out the technicalities of that.
    Higher octane fuel explodes more violently because it is compressed higher. All I meant by the comment was that the fuel would explode with much more force (acting as a boost like no2).

    Before I posted that comment I had actually written out about the difference between what octane ratings are and what I meant, but I erased it because I figured no one would point it out. I was mistaken.
    Problem is if you don't compress it more it just gets wasted and have very little advantage. Now if you can increase the compression (turbo,etc), now we are talking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sploit
    All I meant by the comment was that the fuel would explode with much more force
    I wouldn't count on that. Fuel air mixtures are pretty effective explosives. The USAF doesn't have FAE in it's arsenal for nothing. Also high explosives in fact contain less energy than stuff like gasoline. The reason that they make so great explosives is that they contain oxygen and don't need to be mixed with air first to explode like gasoline.

    (acting as a boost like no2).
    NO2 works in a different way. NO2 is an oxidizer and provides extra oxygen allowing for more fuel to be burnt in the cylinders per stroke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (In)Sanity
    Now if you can increase the compression (turbo,etc), now we are talking.
    Turbo is a very effective way to increase engine performance. During the heigh days of turbos in Formula One they used 1.5L engines. The qualifying engines could produce something like 1400 HP using turbos running at 5 bar, and exotic and highly toxic fuel. This was so damaging to the materials in the engine that the engine was thrown away after only one qualifying lap

    Although such power is great I still like the normally aspirated V12 engines best. They just sound to good not to use them:

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    Nowadays Formule One uses 3.0L V10 normally aspirated engines. They peak at 19.000 RPM and produce about 900 HP.
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    gahh ... you are looking into this far too much.
    Octane rating 3,000,000 was a metaphor. That's all it was, we all know the technical differences.

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    I would have to ask the reason for wanting some as well. Nitroglycerin is an extremely unstable explosive (especially above 50 degrees). Not terribly difficult to make in small quantities but a very good way to lose fingers and/or eyes.

    I would suggest trinitrotoluene (also known as TNT). Easier to make and not near as unstable. Highly toxic stuff though and can be absorbed through the skin quite e
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary
    I would have to ask the reason for wanting some as well.
    Perhaps buffstuff is an alter ego of Osama Bin Laden
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    You know, this thread alone probably guaruntees a crawl by NSA or FBI spiders will turn up a hit that inititates some kind of inveistigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary
    You know, this thread alone probably guaruntees a crawl by NSA or FBI spiders will turn up a hit that inititates some kind of inveistigation.
    LOL

    Yah I'm willing to bet they check up on this stuff, would only make sense to do so.
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    What would you use it for?
    Science experiments? Just some old fashioned fun. And maybe a good scientific learning experience could come of it. Maybe? :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by buffstuff
    What would you use it for?
    Science experiments? Just some old fashioned fun. And maybe a good scientific learning experience could come of it. Maybe? :wink:
    LOL, me thinkin you just wanted to blow something up
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    ME? You think I would do something like that? I'm hurt.
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    Seems easy enough to make in Fight Club! :P
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    8873tom:
    Seems easy enough to make in Fight Club!
    Sure is and that's where Sploit got it from.
    Did you know Sploit killed someone?
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    On topic:
    According to Pallahniuk, you take a 98% concentration of nitric acid and add it to three times that amount of sulfuric acid.
    After cooling it- preferably in a small tub filled with ice water- you add glyercin drops and voila- you have nitroglycerine.

    Now, if you'd like a plastic explosive for choice bombs, add sawdust to the mixtures.
    As for glyecerin, you find it in animal fats and some plant oils- in other words, anything 'fatty'. Too, practically all soap is made with the stuff but I wouldn't recommend isolating the stuff when you can easily buy it in a drug or chemical store.

    Speaking of fat, you can pay a woman for the fat she's sucked out of her thighs, mix it with lye, and ta-ta: Concentration camp soap.

    All you need for glycerin is glycerol mixed in water, with a 95% concentration of glycerol in solution.

    Or forget all this and get a television or a light bulb.

    You drill a hole through the glass on a light bulb and fill it with gasoline. Then plug the hole with wax or silicone.
    You screw the filled light bulb back in its socket and when the person you hate comes in to turn on the light it explodes.
    You can do the same thing on a computer by filling its cathode tube up with gasoline- its also a vacuum and in a sense a huge light bulb.

    With a light bulb you get a small explosion barely does any harm as its on the bloody roof.
    So imagine the damage possible when the person you hate reaches to turn on his computer, his face right in front of it.


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    now me.. im not a qualified sciencetist...(or anything ....for that matter) but i know enought .. not to make nitro!

    but.. ..

    is there an experiment where making soap... which is the same... except it's hot? i may be wrong...

    hey.. i'll post it if you want?

    im more than like;y wrong... when i find my chemistry bok.... i look it up!!!!


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    Book eh? Didn't know it was. Who was the author?
    Soz - off the subject :P
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