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    Nanotechnology has developed a long way and has given us countless posibilities ,but what if we have seen nanotechnology all this time in the wrong way.What if we were able to literally shrink the atoms which make up all matter.This could change the world and open up new possibilities in all scientific fields.If we were able to some how increase the nuclear charge of the atom and be able to control the stability of the atom we could achieve atomic miniaturization as this would increase the attraction between electrons and protons reducing the atomic radius.

    Please suggest me any problems or issues about this suggestion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakila View Post
    Please suggest me any problems or issues about this suggestion.
    It being impossible is perhaps the main one.


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    how could you believe its impossible people believed anything more dense than air would not be able to fly but look at what flying has become now, science is about belief
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    Atoms are based on electrostatic forces, change the scale and they don't work... It's dead in the water...

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    Oh no it isn't... (Cue pantomime music)...
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    Do I look big in these atoms,though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakila View Post
    how could you believe its impossible people believed anything more dense than air would not be able to fly
    Really?
    They thought birds were less dense than air?

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    Not. Even. Close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakila View Post
    how could you believe its impossible people believed anything more dense than air would not be able to fly but look at what flying has become now
    Apart from the fact that is not true, even if it were (and there are plenty of real examples here science has overthrown previous knowledge) your statement is still not logical. Just because "X was once thought to be impossible but now it is possible" doesn't mean that every impossible thing will one day be possible. Some things are just impossible.
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    I am just asking cause I am curious, theoretically what makes it impossible ?
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    The fact that electrostatic forces that hold atoms together depend on the distance between the particles, change the size of the atom and you change the distance. Atoms would not be stable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakila View Post
    Nanotechnology has developed a long way and has given us countless posibilities ,but what if we have seen nanotechnology all this time in the wrong way.What if we were able to literally shrink the atoms which make up all matter.This could change the world and open up new possibilities in all scientific fields.If we were able to some how increase the nuclear charge of the atom and be able to control the stability of the atom we could achieve atomic miniaturization as this would increase the attraction between electrons and protons reducing the atomic radius.

    Please suggest me any problems or issues about this suggestion.
    If you study an important bit of physics called the Pauli Exclusion Principle, you will learn why we cannot simply shrink atoms and have them continue to behave as before. So yes, we could have a more compact object (Google for "neutron star", for example), but it would no longer behave anything like the unshrunk thing you started with.

    Atoms are the size that they are because of a balance of forces that produces the result that we see. If you alter that balance in an effort to scale things downward, the atoms will behave differently. I don't think that's what you were willing to accept in your OP, if I read you correctly. So yes, we could shrink you, but you'd be dead. "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids" would be subtitled "Honey, I Killed the Kids." Probably not the result you were allowing for in your scenario.
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