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  1. #1 Is there a compound in the Universe which is Oxygen Hydrogen Hydrogen Nitrogen OH2N? 
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    For instance these are three of the five atom types in DNA

    Maybe a section of a bigger compound?

    H2N is on one side of GABA for instance.


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    So what? The existence of a compound containing these atoms has what to do with DNA?

    The amine group (NH2) is present in a hell of a lot of compounds, again what does this have to do with DNA?


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    I'm just saying this compound might be more likely to exist due to the building blocks being available from DNA as it were.

    Ok, let's forget I mentioned DNA, Does anyone know of any compound which has (OH2N) present?
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    Why would you think that? The existence of a compound containing these elements (like hydroxylamine, ammonium nitrate or millions of others) has nothing to do with DNA.

    Re: your edit, OK forgetting about DNA there are lots of compounds containing these elements.
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    Yes you are right a lot of compounds have nothing to do with DNA, I only mention it because these three atoms along with two others are present in DNA.

    carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen and phosphorous
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    Again so what? I could name hundreds of chemicals without thinking too hard that contain three out of five of those elements. What point are you trying to make?
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    I'm trying to see if it is possible that Oxygen can combine with GABA by seeing if there are already examples out there in nature, because I believe that oxygen would stick to Hydrogen which is already entangled with another hydrogen and Nitrogen atom.
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    There was an analogy I heard that said atoms can be like Lego bricks, depending on which atoms have spare bonds left over to connect to each other with, numerous types of molecules can be created.

    I wonder if there's anything similar to a periodic table of elements that specifies how many free bonds each element has?

    Like Hydrogen has 1 free bond, Oxygen has 2 free bonds, so you can attach 2 Hydrogens to 1 Oxygen and make a Water molecule. Or Carbon has 4 free bonds, so you can attach 4 Hydrogens to 1 Carbon to make Methane, or 2 Oxygens to 1 Carbon to make Carbon Dioxide, etc. (Actually, is it chemically possible for 1 Carbon, 1 Oxygen and 2 Hydrogens to form a molecule or have I already run into a flaw with my thinking?)
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    Looking at the structure of GABA I think it very unlikely. In solution in the body GABA is zwitterionic so the -NH2 group will actually be in the protonated form -NH3+. By what mechanism are you hypothesisng this interaction to take place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    (Actually, is it chemically possible for 1 Carbon, 1 Oxygen and 2 Hydrogens to form a molecule or have I already run into a flaw with my thinking?)
    Formaldehyde HCHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_Isaac_10 View Post
    I'm trying to see if it is possible that Oxygen can combine with GABA by seeing if there are already examples out there in nature, because I believe that oxygen would stick to Hydrogen which is already entangled with another hydrogen and Nitrogen atom.
    Maybe you should learn some basic chemistry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post

    Maybe you should learn some basic chemistry.
    I was going to say that , as it is evident even the basics are lacking but I am trying to be less harsh with new members...
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    O N, I am hypothesisng magnetism, because Oxygen is paramagnetic and therefor naturally attracted to positive attraction
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    (Actually, is it chemically possible for 1 Carbon, 1 Oxygen and 2 Hydrogens to form a molecule or have I already run into a flaw with my thinking?)
    Formaldehyde HCHO
    Ah right, cool.

    At the risk of going further off-topic, what are the rules specifying the order in which the letters have to be written? It all seems confusing to an amateur like myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_Isaac_10 View Post
    O N, I am hypothesisng magnetism, because Oxygen is paramagnetic and therefor naturally attracted to positive attraction
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    Then all I can say is what Strange said. You need to learn basic chemistry, this is a non-starter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    I am trying to be less harsh with new members...
    Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_Isaac_10 View Post
    O N, I am hypothesisng magnetism, because Oxygen is paramagnetic and therefor naturally attracted to positive attraction
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    Chemistry has nothing to do with magnetism.
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    Ok so what I guess I'm saying is, is that the Oxygen would stick to the positive hydrogen as it does in water rather than the nitrogen, I have spent at least a year studying this idea of mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_Isaac_10 View Post
    I have spent at least a year studying this idea of mine.
    You should have spent a few hours studying chemistry instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    (Actually, is it chemically possible for 1 Carbon, 1 Oxygen and 2 Hydrogens to form a molecule or have I already run into a flaw with my thinking?)
    Formaldehyde HCHO
    Ah right, cool.

    At the risk of going further off-topic, what are the rules specifying the order in which the letters have to be written? It all seems confusing to an amateur like myself.
    It depends If you are writing a purely empirical formula with just the numbers of atoms present it doesn't really matter but often people put carbon first, hydrogen second and then list the other elements in whatever order they feel like. Empirical formula are not that useful, however, and often you write the formula in a way that tries to give some structural information. Take for example the formula for ethanol, the empirical formula is C2H6O, this contains very little information beyond which atoms are present and there are a number of compounds with this empirical formula, if you write the formula as C2H5OH, however, it is now unambiguously ethanol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_Isaac_10 View Post
    Ok so what I guess I'm saying is, is that the Oxygen would stick to the positive hydrogen as it does in water rather than the nitrogen, I have spent at least a year studying this idea of mine.
    Then you are either a very slow learner or you have been reading wrong information.
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    The point I'm trying to make is that at no point during the refinement of this idea of mine have I ever been ignorant enough to proclaim that it is right like so many people would have done by now.
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    True, but it isn't right, so I would give it up if I were you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_Isaac_10 View Post
    The point I'm trying to make is that at no point during the refinement of this idea of mine have I ever been ignorant enough to proclaim that it is right like so many people would have done by now.
    But you also don't appear to have learnt enough to realise that it is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_Isaac_10 View Post
    The point I'm trying to make is that at no point during the refinement of this idea of mine have I ever been ignorant enough to proclaim that it is right like so many people would have done by now.
    Well, PhDemon DID mention hydroxylamine, which is H2N-O-H. I assume that in interstellar space, for example, a radical may exist which is one H short. But it won't be very stable, of course.

    Like the other readers, I am a bit stumped as to the significance you seem to associate with this radical.

    Hydroxylamine itself, though, is apparently found in deep space and, according to Wiki, this has caused some speculation about possible origins of molecular building blocks for life: Hydroxylamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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