Thread: Silver

Why does drinking silver turn you blue?

Originally Posted by stopandthink

Why does drinking silver turn you blue?

To show that you are an idiot?

It is called argyria. I think it is because silver is relatively unreactive and so the colloidal silver particles get carried around the body unchanged and deposited in the tissues.

Here 'ya go...

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

In animals and humans, silver accumulates in the body over time. Chronic intake of silver products can result in an accumulation of silver or silver sulfide particles in the skin. As in photography (where silver is used due to its reactivity with light), these particles in the skin darken with exposure to sunlight, resulting in a blue or gray discoloration of the skin. This condition is known as argyria.

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Lol, no it's just that i found it interesting how drinking colloidal silver can have such a drastic effect,yet not harm the body.

I think there is one case of someone dying from it.

Originally Posted by epidecus

Are you planning on joining a Na'vi tribe?

lol, woad would be easier.

Of course the ancient Britons used woad, a blue dye, to colour their bodies. They left a vertical line down their spine untouched by the woad. So you can see even from early times in Britain we have always had a white line down the middle of the woad.

Originally Posted by stopandthink

Lol, no it's just that i found it interesting how drinking colloidal silver can have such a drastic effect,yet not harm the body.

stopandthink, I'm afraid you are wrong that it does not harm the body. Taken in small enough doses, of course, you are correct, but you get those doses from your regular diet. If you start taking extra, you are getting more than you need. As I have pointed out elsewhere on this forum, you should read the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine's page on colloidal silver. Colloidal Silver | NCCAM

EDIT: Here too is the reported case of death attributed to silver toxicity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684

Originally Posted by stopandthink

Why does drinking silver turn you blue?

It doesn't, what evidence do you have that it does? The argyria is not due to the silver, but impurities in the colloidal from a handful of idiots who did not know what they were doing. Big pharma is scared to death of colloidal silver because its an extremely low cost and powerful non dangerous cure all. Capable of healing disease that the industry has spent billions convincing people are not curable.

Originally Posted by ttown

t doesn't, what evidence do you have that it does?

Have you decided to pollute as many threads as possible with your ignorance?

Here, first thing I found, I'm sure there is plenty more: "In the biospectrometric analysis of skin biopsies from 10 cases of generalized argyria, the authors confirmed that the degree of the discoloration is directly dependent on the amount of silver present."
Silver (CASRN 7440-22-4) | IRIS | US EPA

and no where in that study was the actual metals that were present investigated in the cases, wow, such a gross error.

Originally Posted by ttown

and no where in that study was the actual metals that were present investigated in the cases, wow, such a gross error.

Which bit of "the authors confirmed that the degree of the discoloration is directly dependent on the amount of silver present" did you not understand?

There are plenty more papers with an analysis of the silver content of various tissues in cases of argyria. Would you like to go and do some research and then come back with some intelligent comments? Or would you like a grown-up to look them up for you and read them to you out loud.

Originally Posted by ttown

Originally Posted by stopandthink

Why does drinking silver turn you blue?

It doesn't, what evidence do you have that it does? The argyria is not due to the silver, but impurities in the colloidal from a handful of idiots who did not know what they were doing. Big pharma is scared to death of colloidal silver because its an extremely low cost and powerful non dangerous cure all. Capable of healing disease that the industry has spent billions convincing people are not curable.

I get colloidal silver used as an antiseptic, but can you explain to me how it can cure diseases than "Big Pharma" doesn't want to cure? You talk about evidence, yet I've seen no evidence that colloidal silver is a miracule cure-all. It's been around for decades and no one has created a real medicine out of it. It's relegated to the holistic section.

here just one example, i thought this was widely known? http://www.ihsite.com/user/silver%20water%20dispersion%5D.pdf

ttown, the silver kills the bacteria, yes, we all know that. The point is that it is not good for humans. The experiement in the PDF you reference are done in petri dishes, not in people.

Originally Posted by JoshuaL

ttown, the silver kills the bacteria, yes, we all know that. The point is that it is not good for humans. The experiement in the PDF you reference are done in petri dishes, not in people.

The question of good or not, as with most things we ingest into our bodies, is a question of quantity.

Originally Posted by ttown

Originally Posted by stopandthink

Why does drinking silver turn you blue?

It doesn't, what evidence do you have that it does? The argyria is not due to the silver, but impurities in the colloidal from a handful of idiots who did not know what they were doing. Big pharma is scared to death of colloidal silver because its an extremely low cost and powerful non dangerous cure all. Capable of healing disease that the industry has spent billions convincing people are not curable.

You know, if "Big pharma" really are a bunch of douches, then displays like these of yours are playing right into their hands by making such a poor case against them. Your shoddy standards of scientific investigation is making people scoff at you, not making them think twice. You might want to have a think about that.

Originally Posted by KALSTER

Originally Posted by ttown

Originally Posted by stopandthink

Why does drinking silver turn you blue?

It doesn't, what evidence do you have that it does? The argyria is not due to the silver, but impurities in the colloidal from a handful of idiots who did not know what they were doing. Big pharma is scared to death of colloidal silver because its an extremely low cost and powerful non dangerous cure all. Capable of healing disease that the industry has spent billions convincing people are not curable.

You know, if "Big pharma" really are a bunch of douches, then displays like these of yours are playing right into there hands by making such a poor case against them. Your shoddy standards of scientific investigation is making people scoff at you, not making them think twice. You might want to have a think about that.

Thanks for the advice.

Originally Posted by ttown

The question of good or not, as with most things we ingest into our bodies, is a question of quantity.

Quite. And in excessive quantities it causes argyria.

Originally Posted by John Galt

Of course the ancient Britons used woad, a blue dye, to colour their bodies. They left a vertical line down their spine untouched by the woad. So you can see even from early times in Britain we have always had a white line down the middle of the woad.

That sir, is an excellent pun, I tip my hat to you. Woad was also an hallucinogenic.

Originally Posted by dmwyant

Originally Posted by John Galt

Of course the ancient Britons used woad, a blue dye, to colour their bodies. They left a vertical line down their spine untouched by the woad. So you can see even from early times in Britain we have always had a white line down the middle of the woad.

That sir, is an excellent pun, I tip my hat to you. Woad was also an hallucinogenic.

Thank you, but I cannot take credit for it. I believe it was from the partnership of two British comedy writers Frank Muir and Dennis Norden, sometime in the mid 1960s. I've been waiting over forty years for an occassion to use it. Sometimes patience pays off.

Lol! I can't imagine waiting for a blue woad topic to pop up! It must feel redeeming in a way

Would I be right in thinking silver may also offer some antiviral properties and as such may some hope should conventional antibiotics have become ineffectual through over use and resistance build ups.

That is exactly why it has become popular. Because yes, it kills bacteria, just like bleach kills bacteria. Or napalm. This does not make it wise to drink the stuff. It is currently being used medicinally as a TOPICAL antiseptic in some areas, which has been ok, because you are not ingesting it.

Sorry, just saw you were referring to viruses. Antibiotics do not work on viruses, just to be clear. There are no antibiotics that have ever been used against viruses. They are used against bacteria. That is what makes viral disease so menacing (HIV, Anthrax, Ebola...), and why we spend so much money developing methods to stave them off. (Viruses are not cells and therefor can not be disrupted in the same way bacteria can.)

I read an article that suggests silver may also be instrumental in the fight against diseases, is this a credible article?

A Promising Cure for URTI Pandemics

Nice! Looks legit at first glance. I'll investigate further when I get to my computer. The question will again not be just does silver kill the virus, but what are the quantities needed to be effective and are these quantities safe for humans.

Huh. Got a real mixed bag here of credible and not-so-credible sources. I think it can be summed up by one researchers statement:

Medical literature shows that a variety of viruses have been successfully treated with silver-based drugs. However, 'silver salts' and/or inferior silver preparations lack the bio-availability, active silver content, and safety needed to be effective. [1]

In other words, we need clinical trials to determine efficacy and safety measures. Otherwise people are just taking any damned thing and hoping it will work. There is no regulation of silver-as-medicine, so you don't know if you'r getting "the good stuff" or if you're getting crap, or maybe getting something that--although it might be genuine silver--will not help you in any way, and may in fact harm you. It is not just the fact that it is silver that matters here. There are over 30 isotopes of silver. Which one are you drinking? How do you know? How do you know that particular one is effective but not harmful? Etc, etc. You get the idea. But with all those disclaimers I would say this looks like a promising endeavor. Let's do it right though, and not just take wild guesses at it because someone convinced us. Let's find out for certain! *steps down from soapbox*

Sounds like we still have a long way to go to fully understanding just how useful it might turn out to be. Given that this article was a few years old I would have hoped we might have been a bit further forward with research especially if it really does have miracle cure all properties.

Originally Posted by JoshuaL

That is exactly why it has become popular. Because yes, it kills bacteria, just like bleach kills bacteria. Or napalm. This does not make it wise to drink the stuff. It is currently being used medicinally as a TOPICAL antiseptic in some areas, which has been ok, because you are not ingesting it.

Sorry, just saw you were referring to viruses. Antibiotics do not work on viruses, just to be clear. There are no antibiotics that have ever been used against viruses. They are used against bacteria. That is what makes viral disease so menacing (HIV, Anthrax, Ebola...), and why we spend so much money developing methods to stave them off. (Viruses are not cells and therefor can not be disrupted in the same way bacteria can.)

I have socks and underwear with silver in them... I have been athletes foot and jock itch free ever since... of course regular bathing helps with this as well but when you are out in the "field" for a week or more with nothing but wipes to wash with.... I guess it is true what they say about silver linings...

Silver linings. XD
That is brilliant. I may need to buy some new socks.