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    I dilute 1/4 tsp Borax in a liter of water to make a popular home remedy (Borax Cures). I mix the solution in a liter sized stainless steel bottle I have. Does borax react with the stainless steel in any way that would make the solution toxic or render my bottle unfit for further use?

    As a side note I would like to share that this remedy has helped my mom and many others with rheumatoid arthritis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenousaime View Post
    I dilute 1/4 tsp Borax in a liter of water to make a popular home remedy (Borax Cures). I mix the solution in a liter sized stainless steel bottle I have. Does borax react with the stainless steel in any way that would make the solution toxic or render my bottle unfit for further use?
    Are you mad? That sounds like a really bad idea. The borax, I mean. I wouldn't worry about the stainless steel. But borax is fairly toxic. It is banned as a food additive in many countries.

    Your link is to some sort of crackpot health page. At least they recommend homeopathetic borax which has the advantage of not having any borax in it.

    As a side note I would like to share that this remedy has helped my mom and many others with rheumatoid arthritis.
    How about the liver damage?


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    The LD50 of borax is 5400 mg/kg, it is less toxic than salt. If you have any doubts about its toxicity please refer to Borax Cures it covers the toxicity issue thoroughly.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenousaime View Post
    The LD50 of borax is 5400 mg/kg, it is less toxic than salt. If you have any doubts about its toxicity please refer to Borax Cures it covers the toxicity issue thoroughly.
    I wouldn't trust anything on that site. It is full of nonsense.
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    In any case do you think I can still drink from my stainless steel bottle in which I once mixed the borax solution in?
     

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    Of course. Stainless steel is harmless. It is mainly iron. And the reason it is "stainless" is because it is resistant to attack by many chemicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    At least they recommend homeopathetic borax which has the advantage of not having any borax in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenousaime View Post
    The LD50 of borax is 5400 mg/kg, it is less toxic than salt.
    And dietary salt is a major killer.

    Do you really think that if you consume less than the LD50 dose it is harmless? This is the sort of dangerous and deluded thinking that your crank health website is full of.

    I would have just ignored this as another ignorant health fad. But you are promoting something potentially dangerous. Especially for pregnant women.

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    I dilute 1/4 tsp Borax in a liter of water to make a popular home remedy
    This uncontrolled use makes it even worse, of course. Lets see if we can work out what is going on here.

    Lets assume 1/4 tsp = 300mg (rough guess, who knows how big your teaspoons or your quarters are).

    But then what do you do with this "popular home remedy"? Are you drinking it? If so, how much? Lets assume 1 glass a day. So how big is a random glass; lets assume 200 ml (5 glasses per liter). Scarily, you might be one of those who believe the "8 glasses a day" myth; I really hope you are not drinking a liter a day.

    This means maybe 60mg of borax a day; plus or minus some wide margin. (I know I should work out how much of this is boron but I can't be bothered - this is obviously a mind-numbingly stupid practice already).

    If we rely on science (1) rather than a bunch of "health nuts" on the internet, we can see that an acceptable intake of boron is 18 mg/day. Some of this comes from food, some from your drinking water. But then you are overdosing on your "remedy".

    (1) F.Jay Murray, A Human Health Risk Assessment of Boron (Boric Acid and Borax) in Drinking Water, Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology, Volume 22, Issue 3, December 1995, Pages 221-230
    (Just the first paper I found with some data; feel free to cite something better)


    p.s. And then you are worried about stainless steel!!! Sheesh.
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    Im still not sure my (304) stainless steel bottle is fit to drink from, does anyone have an explination as to why borax wont react with the bottle?

    I couldn't find any information about borax and stainless steel interactions through google, and I'm having allot of trouble figuring it out my self, I know very little about chemistry. I know that aluminum pots react (I hardly know what react means) with things that are too acidic or alkaline so pH is the only way I know to see if stainless steel reacts with borax. I found that a .1M solution of borax is 9.24 pH, and since I found that 304 stainless steel resists corrosion of ammonia (a 1 M solution having a pH of 11.6) it probably doesn't react with borax. I don't have a conclusive answer yet because don't know if there are other ways borax can react with stainless steel, or if my data is even accurate since I am just piecing together information from random sources. Please help. Thank you.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenousaime View Post
    Im still not sure my (304) stainless steel bottle is fit to drink from, does anyone have an explination as to why borax wont react with the bottle?
    There is no reaction I can think of that would dissolve iron in sodium borate (borax).

    Even if it did, you would just end up with some iron in your popular household toxin; luckily iron is relatively harmless.

    Thirdly, even if it had, it would be irrelevant to whatever you use the bottle for now.
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    well the stainless steel doesn't necessarily have to dissolve in the borax solution, what if they react and produce a new chemical which might even bond with the stainless steel and leech over time?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenousaime View Post
    well the stainless steel doesn't necessarily have to dissolve in the borax solution, what if they react and produce a new chemical which might even bond with the stainless steel and leech over time?
    Really if you are that worried about it I have a simple suggestion... Don't Do It.
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    well i have already done it so I want to make sure my bottle is ok to drink from from now on
     

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    Well since Borax is a base I would recommend rinsing the item with vinegar to stop any reaction. Have you noticed any discoloration of the steel in your bottle? If so I would pitch it and get another. That said, I use borax on my kitchen sink. I soak it overnight about once every three months or so then rinse it with warm water in the morning and wipe it down with vinegar. It hasn't done anyhting to my sink that I have noticed.
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    there is no discoloration. I dont think vinegar will do anything since any reaction which might have happened already took place. The question still remains if some kind of reaction between a borax solution and stainless steel is possible. I'm sure someone knowledgeable in chemistry will know.
     

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    This thread is dangerous and pointless. I'm tempted to lock it.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenousaime View Post
    there is no discoloration. I dont think vinegar will do anything since any reaction which might have happened already took place. The question still remains if some kind of reaction between a borax solution and stainless steel is possible. I'm sure someone knowledgeable in chemistry will know.
    I studied chemistry.

    I do not believe any such reaction is possible.

    IF it were possible, then the result would have been dissolved in the liquid and would now be gone.

    IF it were possible, AND if the resulting compound were left in the bottle because it was not solulable, then: it is not soluble and you don't need to wory.

    IF it were possible, it's only iron for God's sake so what are you worrying about.

    Throw the bottle away. Throw the borax away.
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    I'm with MeteorWayne/Strange/dmwyant on this: DON'T DRINK BORAX for goodness' sake! Hypochondriacs....


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