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  1. #1 Element 0? Please hear me out 
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    I have a theory, although it may be a bit primitive and I am not accustomed to the scientific community I want to share my though and please hear me out.

    An atom usually consist of nuclei, electrons and protons, the smallest atom known is hydrogen 1 with 1 proton and 1 electron, correct me if i'm wrong, a atom is stable if it does not need another proton or another electron in its orbits, correct?

    hydrogen is an atom with 1 neutron, 1 electron and 1 proton, what if we were to take away the electron and the proton, thus taking away the electron and the proton, in such a way that the neutron became a stable atom on its own, would that not be element 0, I am curious as to if this is possible, what effects this element would have, how it be react to other atoms, what it's features would be.

    please, share your thoughts and if i mistakenly posted this topic in the wrong section will you move it for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Em0Sk8ter
    I have a theory, although it may be a bit primitive and I am not accustomed to the scientific community I want to share my though and please hear me out.

    An atom usually consist of nuclei, electrons and protons, the smallest atom known is hydrogen 1 with 1 proton and 1 electron, correct me if i'm wrong, a atom is stable if it does not need another proton or another electron in its orbits, correct?

    hydrogen is an atom with 1 neutron, 1 electron and 1 proton, what if we were to take away the electron and the proton, thus taking away the electron and the proton, in such a way that the neutron became a stable atom on its own, would that not be element 0, I am curious as to if this is possible, what effects this element would have, how it be react to other atoms, what it's features would be.

    please, share your thoughts and if i mistakenly posted this topic in the wrong section will you move it for me.

    Thank you for your time.
    actually, hydrogen is stable without a neutron. And we already have a name for a neutron. It's a neutron, and it doesn't behave like an atom. This is why it isn't included.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Em0Sk8ter

    hydrogen is an atom with 1 neutron, 1 electron and 1 proton
    No, that is deuterium.
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    Elements are defined by their proton/s, hence without a proton, you wouldn't have an element.
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    A particle on it's own is not an atom, its a particle.

    Having said that, have you ever heard of neutron stars?
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    What you've described is simply a free neutron. It is definitely not an atom, or an element, as it does not contain any protons. Free neutrons do exist, for about 885.7 seconds before decaying. So there's nothing wrong with having a plain neutron by itself, but it's not really stable and does not form an element.
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    I think you should look into the 5th state of matter (after plasma)
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    I believe it would be called deuterium and would be stable on its own for less than fifteen minutes.

    Stability is not a criterion for classification as an element. There are isotopes which are also unstable but still considered atoms.

    I think neutron stars are stable because the gravitational field is so great that beta particles couldn't escape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Foot Tapper
    I believe it would be called deuterium and would be stable on its own for less than fifteen minutes..
    Deuterium is a stable isotope of Hydrogen and does not undergo decay. If it had a half life of less than 15 minutes it would be undetectable in nature.
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  11. #10 Yes it is possible 
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    Dear Em0Sk8ter,

    I do not know how you came up with the idea of Element 0 but it is indeed possible to have one such element and to know more about it, please refer to my post http://www.thescienceforum.com/Theor...-be-26673t.php

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    hi im new in this thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasadvrk
    Dear Em0Sk8ter,

    I do not know how you came up with the idea of Element 0 but it is indeed possible to have one such element and to know more about it, please refer to my post http://www.thescienceforum.com/Theor...-be-26673t.php

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    prasadvrk, please don't mess up a thread with your fanciful speculations. The OP has asked for clarification of a simple thought. This has been provided. Your post is muddying the waters since some casual readers might be misled into thinking you know what you are talking about.

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    I've seen the idea of the neutron as "element 0" before (on a very old chart of the periodic table).

    It isn't generally considered that way. Nor is positronium (or any of the other "oniums"), but apparently positronium, at least, has a sort of chemistry.

    There are some Wikipedia entries covering the history of the idea.
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