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  1. #1 Magnetic Water Conditioning 
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    This is a method by which hard water is passed through a magnetic field. The claim is that this alters the properties of the hard water ions in the water, preventing the formation of limescale.

    There have not been many studies done on the method, but it is sold in many places as a legitimate treatment of hardwater (not to soften it, just to prevent limescale). This would be good, as the calcium and magnesium ions are important parts of the diet.

    It is denounced in many places as pseudoscience due to a lack of explanation as to how it works. The claim is that it alters the behaviour or structure of the water and ions.
    A magnetic field will definitely have an effect on charged particles, but is it possible that the ions and water are changed in some way, simply by a magnetic force?

    I would be interested in any views...


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    I vote for BS. I can think of no plausible explanation for how such a thing might work. Also, calcium and magnesium ions have no unpaired electrons, and so will be diamagnetic.


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    This is an interesting site:
    http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/descal.html

    The thing about water is that its is polar and has a structure of hydrogen bonds, even as a liquid. The ions must take up some space in that structure, creating some sort of charged spaces, which would be affected by a magnetic field - because a flow of charged particles in a magnetic field creates movement (if I remember my school physics lessons correctly)

    Just speculating out loud. There does seem to be some change in the type calcium carbonate crystals formed when a magnetic field is applied though.
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    At those sorts of field strengths, random thermal motion would dominate anyway. This is just scam bullshit made up by people who want to take advantage of suckers who don't know about chemistry.
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    A fool and his money are soon parted!
    works as well as putting a magnet on your auto gas line.
    like nothing!
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    i was looking into this a while ago.

    If true it does EVER EVER EVER so slightly soften the water but mostly changes the crystal structure it forms in the conditions encountered in your domestic water ways.

    anyone seen this site:

    http://www.hydropath.com/hs38.html

    They have a testimonial from the Royal Military College Laboratory in Shrivenham who have also taken electon microscope images of the varying crystal structures. I would be up for asking them if this is all true.

    If so it is tempting - I would consider them a reputable source.

    Costs something like 1 a year to run (apparently, i did the math ages ago so my memory is shot).

    And the fuel lines thing doesn't work!!! I did think about my own application and got a compliment from an engineer once - make the fuel an anion and the air a cation (or vice-versa) using magnetism, then mix.................lol



    EDIT: it might not be a good idea to swallow the water - the larger crystal structres could come back to haunt you later in life if they help clog your veins and/or arteries - don't quote me on that! Its becoming a more and more common condition in old people.

    EDIT2: good link the OP supplied - there is something there about flow rates and the duration of the magnetic field as well as the difference between 'single pass' and 'recirculatory' systems. All sounds like good stuff but dunno about the source - apparently connected to/part of the London South Bank University - anyone able to confirm this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatman57
    If true it does EVER EVER EVER so slightly soften the water but mostly changes the crystal structure it forms in the conditions encountered in your domestic water ways.

    anyone seen this site:

    http://www.hydropath.com/hs38.html

    They have a testimonial from the Royal Military College Laboratory in Shrivenham who have also taken electon microscope images of the varying crystal structures. I would be up for asking them if this is all true.

    If so it is tempting - I would consider them a reputable source.
    Most likely this company just sent the Royal Military College Laboratory some crystal samples and asked them to examine the crystals, to which the College said "sure." To take it seriously, you would have to be confident that the company didn't just send the College crystals of different materials that were prepared in different ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Quote Originally Posted by fatman57
    If true it does EVER EVER EVER so slightly soften the water but mostly changes the crystal structure it forms in the conditions encountered in your domestic water ways.

    anyone seen this site:

    http://www.hydropath.com/hs38.html

    They have a testimonial from the Royal Military College Laboratory in Shrivenham who have also taken electon microscope images of the varying crystal structures. I would be up for asking them if this is all true.

    If so it is tempting - I would consider them a reputable source.
    Most likely this company just sent the Royal Military College Laboratory some crystal samples and asked them to examine the crystals, to which the College said "sure." To take it seriously, you would have to be confident that the company didn't just send the College crystals of different materials that were prepared in different ways.
    I would really agree if the Lab weren't USING the product and conducting their own tests.

    This is why we need more Labs in this world!!!!!!
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    Do you have the money to create such labs?
    Edukayshun haz fayled meh.
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    nope.
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