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    I am having a problem that I can't seem to figure out and I'm not sure if it's a chemical thing or not. My husband and I live in a 1200 square foot house, our bedroom is at one end and our 2nd bedroom is at the other end (which is soon to be a babys room). There is nothing odd about anything at our end of the house....but int he baby's room and the main bathroom right next to the baby's room there has been this odd occurence of plastic discoloration on things, for example--the baby bathtub in the bathroom, the bottles of baby wash and baby lotion, the plastic box on baby wipes and even the plastic parts of the mobile hanging above the crib have taken a weird dirty look. it looks like smeared grey and dark grey areas, almost a cloudy look...the areas sort of go away when I rubed them with my thumb, but they keep returning......if anyone has ANY explaination, or if anyone would even like me to post a picture of something with the smearlike marks I will. I don't want to put a newborn baby to sleep in a room where things change color like that. I also need to let anyone know who is trying to figure this out that we have carbon minoxide detectors and have ruled that out also..
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    Hmmm. I would like to see some pics. Sounds like soapscum though.

    What's the temperature like in your house? What's the airflow like?

    Is it just localized in the bathroom?


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    No like I said it's even on the mobile above the baby's crib and the lotion and baby wash bottles on the shelf in the baby's room...it's not just the bathroom....and besides we've never used the bathtub or even the sink in that bathroom, we always use our master bathroom, and none of the plastic items on that end of the house have anything like this on them. We have central heat and air and keep the thermostat around 67. I also noticed that if you use water to wipe the smudgy smears with it almost comes off like dirt, it malkes the water coming off of it dirty, for example I wet my finger adn wiped it and the residue came off on my finger...but it still comes back.
    I have four pics I am trying to post....I've posted on other forums many times and this one isn't working....when I preview my post the pictures don't show up...I guess if you want them I'll have to email them to you directly.
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    Well, whatever it is sounds organic, but most things in everday life are.

    It just feels like goup? No texture? Does it feel more like pudding or does it feel like it has something in it like an exfoliant feels?

    Do you smoke, or burn, or spray petroleum products or anythuing else in your house? Do you use any aerosols like hair spray stuff like that in that area?

    This stuff seems to appear spontaneously and immediately? And only on plastic? It doesn't appear on ANYTHING else, just plastic? Only hard plastic or does it show up on like plastic bags too?

    Do you use a lot of bleach?

    By mobile above the baby's crib you mean one of those carousel things?

    When is the last time you had you're heating and air checked and how often do you run it?

    The email button should work with my address. Please, feel free to send me pics, you've got me interested.
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    A few more questions for you...

    Does it appear as if the plastic is weakening over time?

    You said that you never use the bathroom on that side of the house -- when was the last time that you ran water through all of the pipes down there? I mean, running the shower, the toliet and the sink, ect?

    I think that is it for now, silkworm seems to have ask a lot of questions too, so hopefully that will turn something up.
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    Okay here's some answers...

    neither of us smoke in the house...other than some carpet fresh before we moved in no chemicals or cleaning products have been used in either the bedroom or the bathroom....we do not use bleach products to clean with....it has only showed up on hard plastic and bottles, but not any in our kitchen or other bathroom....it has no texture, it almost looks like it's tie dyed onto the plastic until you rub it off, like a discoloration...by mobile I do mean the musical thingy above the baby's bed....the air/heating system was checked before we moved in which was January...

    In response to VM's questions...
    all of the products that it has showed up on are less than 2 months old...mostly items I recieved as gifts and from my baby shower on feb 25th, so no weakening has been noted...and we do use that bathroom, but just for the toilet, the sink has been run a couple times but no use of the shower, that's how I ruled out soap scum.

    I'll get the pictures out soon...
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    I looked at your pics. It appears to me to just be dust that has attracted to light surfaces. Do you keep your house very humid?
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    I don't suppose we do keep our house humid....I assume that the air from the central unit is a drier air than usual especially when we use the heat. I kept that inmind when looking at all this stuff that had the funny discoloration but on the mobile (which I couldn't capture with the camera) only had the spots on the inside of the part that holds the dangling toys...not on the bars or the larger arm that attaches it to the crib, and didn't know if that could still be because of dust.....and if these things are happening because of dust settling why hasn't it happened to anything else in the house such as the lotion and shampoo bottles in the other bathroom or cleaning products we keep in the kitchen....is it because those rooms have more moisture in the air?
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    I asked the humidity question to try to explain the goupiness. If you have a dry material that's hydroscopic once it settles it'll collect moisture in the air.

    Are your ceilings different or anything else in these rooms?

    It just looks like soot to me. Or just dust that somehow picked up water.

    Is it easy to zap somebody in your house, like with statiic electricity?
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    does it have a smel?

    could it be a gas landing?
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    There isn't a goupiness to it.....it just seems to be a discoloration that wipes off, and comes back too....I checked and the walls and ceilings are the same throughout the house. I have actually smelled it and there isn't an odor to it.
    I don't believe it's a static thing since we haven't had any problems with shocking each other of even being shocked when touching metal....all the carpet is very low pile.
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    Oh, it's not goupy. For some reason I thought it was.

    So it's dry then? It's not oily?

    Are you guys having any respitory issues?

    It doesn't appear to me to be bacteria or mold or anything like that. The patterns are sort of odd though.
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    Yes it is dry...like its some sort of very thin layer of dirt that you can't see or feel texture on but wipes off with water, but then comes back. Oddly enough we have had a lot less respitory problems here than at the smaller apartments and such we've lived at....I have allergies and used to get nosebleeds often from it, and since I'm pregnant I'm supposed to be more suseptible to nosebleeds but haven't had one here...we've both even noticed that we have a lot less <sorry if this is vile> but a lot less boogers and drainage. I'm glad to know it's probably not mold....that was a big concern since molds can be very harmful and can make you very sick.....I'm wondering if it is the dust thing.
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    Well, judging by what you say, which is that your nose doesn't dry out as much, is that you're at least in a more moist setting that what you're used to.

    So, when you whipe it off, does it appear in exactly the same place?

    I don't think it's mold. At least to me it doesn't appear to be, and I don't see what it would be living on if it were. If it were on wood or something it would make sense, but on clean plastic or porcellan, I just can't imagine.
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    You know I haven't noticed if it's reappearing in the same spots or just wherever......I am leaning more towards the stuff reappearing the same spots....seems to me like the spots are the same I'm pretty sure.
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    Sure sounds like mildew to me.

    Do you use a humidifier? Is there a nearby shower? Are wet towels hung up near there?

    This website has some great pictures of molds and mildews in homes: http://www.rvappraisals.com/rv-mold-damage.htm
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    Houm...


    It kinda sounds like mold; maybe it's mildew living out of dust trapped in the hyphas... Anyway it's strange that mold appears in a well ventilated room, unles it was very wet..


    Do you live in a house or is it a flat? A house would open the possibility that there was mold under the floor of the room, specially if there is no basement under it; the ground under the house could be wet, grow mold, and then some mildew spores could get through the floor... that would explain why it reappears after being cleaned.

    Kwinder, as a experient, I think that you could try to wash some of the affected surfaces with a bathroom-cleaning product which included a fungicide. If the surfaces cleaned that way (following manufacturer's instructions) didn't grew the stuff, then it was some sort of mold...

    Also if it is a house, you may check for humidity on the ground, if there is a basement below the room floor, or in general any source of humidity outside of the room & which could be growing mold. Mildew lives in a very wide range of temperature, but it barely prospers when air humidity is low. Anyway, if it is mildew, I don't believe that it poses a threat for the baby.
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    No like I've said in previous posts the house is not overly humid....we do not even use the shower at that entire end of the house...the only thing we use in that bathroom is the toilet....and it's in the baby room too, which is large and has a window and vents. We do not have a humidifier either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwidner
    No like I've said in previous posts the house is not overly humid....we do not even use the shower at that entire end of the house...the only thing we use in that bathroom is the toilet....and it's in the baby room too, which is large and has a window and vents. We do not have a humidifier either.
    Well, I was thinking more of the ground under the house being too wet and mold, as source of mildew. Maybe there is a leak in a pipe, that keeps the ground wet and this could be a source of mildew. How is the floor of the affected room? Is it made of a concrete layer or some other air tight surface?
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    Actually, it's a trailer....I had my husband peel back a little skirting and go searching for leaks and such with a flashlight and found nothing. The carpet in the baby's room, and throughout the house is VERY low pile and there are no spots on it or evidence of water damage. My doubt is...that if it were a mold why is it only attracted to light/white plastic on one end of the house? Wouldn't mold be attracted to anyhing it could spore on like the baby's clothes and bedding or the other plastic bottles of lotions and body wash that are colored?
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    Well if the house is actually a trailer, then the link I posted earlier ought to be very relevant!

    Keep looking for mold bewteen the siding and wall, or under the ceilings.
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    if you have not often used the shower, then it is possible that something is growing in the pipes of the shower. You might try running the shower in that room for 15 min and then wiping down the plastic in the room and seeing if the substance comes back.

    Also, how old is the trailer?

    have you repainted the room anytime soon, or done any remodling?

    I think that is it for now.
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    The shower was run once when we moved in to see how the water pressure was in that bathroom (my husband is picky about water pressure) so it has been run...and there is not indication of anything weird on the shower head. The trailer is 9 years old....we are just renting but the owners keep it in very good condition. But, we did just paint a dresser, and used the baby's room to paint because it has the biggest window that we could open for ventilation....could that be it? We used an indoor flat finish non-toxic paint.
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    What you describe sounds like a "frosting" effect that occurs when certain plastics are exposed to organic solvent vapor. However, it's hard to imagine that much organic solvent being in the air without you noticing/smelling it.

    Does it occur with every type of plastic? Many common household plastic items are made of polyethylene. I would be curious to know if it occurs with other types of plastic too, like polycarbonate or polypropylene. Maybe you could buy some polypropylene and polyethylene plastic wrap (the kind from grocery stores that you use to wrap food), leave out sheets of each, and compare the effects on both?
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    How would acids and alkiline mixtures react with it?
    (me i haven't a clue, so im throw ing in ideas)
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