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  1. #1 acetone +HCl acid + ether + heptane 
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    Hi forum,
    I'm doing an alkaloid extraction of Yohimbe root bark. I have the alkaloids freebased and in the Ethyl Ether layer. Now I need to make them into hydrochlorides. So I read online somewhere that you can mix together hydrochloric acid + acetone, in equal ratios by volume, then add a few milliliters of that solution to the Ether, and after about 3 hours, the alkaloids will crystallize. The acetone acts an intermediary, allowing the alkaloids to be soluble in the acetone so the hydrochloric acid can get to 'em.

    Well I mixed the acid & acetone to make 40ml of solution. The problem is that they reacted a little bit and generated heat. And now there is gas forming in the bottle which I can tell because little bubbles are forming in there. I theorize it might just be some lint since the bottle I got the acetone from was used a lot with rags.

    But I'm also scared some horrible reaction will occur when I mix this solution with my ether. The ethyl ether isn't pure -- it came from a can which also contained heptane and butane. The butane I theorize was just the propellant, so the only impurity is the heptane. Anyway, is there any danger here? I figured since HCl acid isn't an oxidizer, I should be fine right?

    What's up with all these bubbles in the bottle though? Now I can't close it because the bubbles are forming non-stop. So I have to leave the bottle outside.





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    I think know what the problem is here. The bottle was previous used to store sodium hydroxide water solution. and since it attacks glass, some of the sodium remained stuck to the glass. I only rinsed the bottle out, I didn't use a brush to scrub the inside.

    Anyway, after adding the hydrochloric acid, there was an exothermic reaction and some bubbles because the sodium was being dissolved.

    Turns out there is no danger is mixing hydrochloric acid & solvents. But if you type that in google, 1 article comes up that says a man was arrested for making acetone peroxide by mixing together pool acid and acetone in his house. The writer of that article was apparently too lazy to type in "acetone peroxide" in a search engine and see how it's actually made. You need an oxidizer for that reaction, and hydrochloric acid is not an oxidizer. It is used in the process, but mixing together just acetone and HCl acid will not produce anything explosive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbal_Enthusiast
    I think know what the problem is here. The bottle was previous used to store sodium hydroxide water solution. and since it attacks glass, some of the sodium remained stuck to the glass. I only rinsed the bottle out, I didn't use a brush to scrub the inside.

    Anyway, after adding the hydrochloric acid, there was an exothermic reaction and some bubbles because the sodium was being dissolved.

    Turns out there is no danger is mixing hydrochloric acid & solvents. But if you type that in google, 1 article comes up that says a man was arrested for making acetone peroxide by mixing together pool acid and acetone in his house. The writer of that article was apparently too lazy to type in "acetone peroxide" in a search engine and see how it's actually made. You need an oxidizer for that reaction, and hydrochloric acid is not an oxidizer. It is used in the process, but mixing together just acetone and HCl acid will not produce anything explosive.
    Chlorine is an oxidizer and forms explosive compounds with sodium, potassium, and other elements. It reacts much like oxygen does to form explosives.

    There is such a thing as Esters of ethyl ether.

    At STOP (Stop, Throwing, Out, Pollution) programs years ago, artists would bring us the empty cans of ether, and if we heard crystals in the can. We would call the bomb squad to take them away. It just wasn't worth taking them back in a truck that was plaque carded Dangerous.

    Because esters of ethyl ether, are an initiating explosive, at least according to the chemical books of the time.
    According to the chemical books they can actually blow off your hand, if you unscrew the cap and crush the crystals.


    Now today as you know they are crystallizing diamonds of almost perfect quality. I believe they did it years ago as well.

    This below is just hearsay and may be interesting to you, I have no knowledge or experience in experimenting with it.

    I had heard that one of the supposedly explosive formulas was actually the mix for a solution that created diamonds. But I do not remember which one.

    It was said that if you created to large of a diamond. And you fractured it and created a certain voltage that you could be blown apart. My thought was carbolic acid crystals.

    We found a huge carbolic acid crystal in a closed down hospital in Queens.

    That is what the chemists determined it was. It was in a glass wicked heating instrument. The kind that we used to put denatured alcohol in and light to do experiments, and heat test tubes. It had solidified into a beautiful crystal.

    If you subject chlorine gas to burning aromatic hydrocarbons you get phosgene gas. Chlorine gas alone is bad. Phosgene gas is sick.

    Never put hydrochloric and hydrofluoric acid together. Even just three drops of each can fill a room with a mix of pure chlorine gas and hydrofluoric acid vapors. That will not allow you to breath.


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    William McCormick
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