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    Someone we know quit their $80K year job to breed a dog. The dog breed name escapes me at the moment but it was some kind of bulldog. Apparently this dogís puppies go between $4-5K per. Heard her first litter consisted of 11 and all sold so not a bad start. Hereís a list of the ten most expensive breeds:

    https://www.prudentpet.com/most-expensive-dog-breeds/

    People are taking out loans just to buy a mutt but I guess there must be a reason itís done. Whatís the cost of dog owning in dollars for a lifetime?


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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Someone we know quit their $80K year job to breed a dog. The dog breed name escapes me at the moment but it was some kind of bulldog. Apparently this dogís puppies go between $4-5K per. Heard her first litter consisted of 11 and all sold so not a bad start. Hereís a list of the ten most expensive breeds:

    https://www.prudentpet.com/most-expensive-dog-breeds/

    People are taking out loans just to buy a mutt but I guess there must be a reason itís done. Whatís the cost of dog owning in dollars for a lifetime?
    That list has some pretty costly mutts on it. Can't imagine paying so much for a dog. But there are tons of dog lovers out there. The cost of dog owning can depend somewhat on the breed. Those Rottweilers are costly long-term due to many health issues, as are a number of these expensive dogs. Probably due to inbreeding, which results in the appearance of recessive traits leading to numerous complications.

    Your acquaintance might be breeding French bulldogs, which sell for about $4-5,000 each, and there are a lot of them being stolen*. So that makes for a good market to get into. Stolen dogs which are never returned means buying more of them. Maybe some of those stealing them also breed them, enhancing the market. Doggone it!


    "French bulldog stolen in California recovered in Pennsylvania amid rise in thefts of the dog breed"

    * https://abcnews.go.com/US/french-bul...ry?id=82326904


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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Helix View Post

    That list has some pretty costly mutts on it. Can't imagine paying so much for a dog. But there are tons of dog lovers out there. The cost of dog owning can depend somewhat on the breed. Those Rottweilers are costly long-term due to many health issues, as are a number of these expensive dogs. Probably due to inbreeding, which results in the appearance of recessive traits leading to numerous complications.

    Your acquaintance might be breeding French bulldogs, which sell for about $4-5,000 each, and there are a lot of them being stolen*. So that makes for a good market to get into. Stolen dogs which are never returned means buying more of them. Maybe some of those stealing them also breed them, enhancing the market. Doggone it!


    "French bulldog stolen in California recovered in Pennsylvania amid rise in thefts of the dog breed"

    * https://abcnews.go.com/US/french-bul...ry?id=82326904
    Dogs are chattel. Stealing Rover like stealing a car. Wonder if you can get doggy life insurance. From Cornell Law:

    . chattel
    A catch-all category of property mostly associated with movable goods. At common law, chattel included all property that was not real estate and not attached to real estate. Examples included everything from leases, to cows, to clothes. In modern usage, chattel often merely refers to tangible movable personal property.
    Food and vet bills add up but then there are dog bite lawsuits, bylaw infringement fines, dog chewed furniture+, house damage(screens/ floors), insect repellents, grooming, obedience school, and even the costs of plastic bags for stowing picked up shit.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love the canines in the wild, especially those African Hunting Dogs. Mutts today don’t have a lot to do like their working ancestors, could be wrong. I appreciate the dogs who work for a living like drug sniffers and trackers but training must also be costly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Food and vet bills add up but then there are dog bite lawsuits, bylaw infringement fines, dog chewed furniture+, house damage(screens/ floors), insect repellents, grooming, obedience school, and even the costs of plastic bags for stowing picked up shit.
    And then there is pet cloning*.

    People are having Fido cloned so they can always have the "same" dog. Better be close since the cost is $50,000 (U.S.). Almost beyond imagination.


    "Pet cloning is getting more popular despite the cost"

    * https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60924936
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    Next they will clone owners with next to no imagination.
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    I like dogs well enough, but I could never justify paying that much money for one. Especially when there are so many great dogs in shelters waiting for adoption/execution. I'm a firm proponent of adopt don't shop when it comes to dogs and cats.

    Another thing that people routinely fail to consider is that the rescue mutt they pick up from the shelter is generally genetically better off than any of the ones you would pay thousands for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconer360 View Post
    Another thing that people routinely fail to consider is that the rescue mutt they pick up from the shelter is generally genetically better off than any of the ones you would pay thousands for.
    Dog breeding tantamount to animal cruelty in my books. As if we don’t do enough to make animal lives miserable.

    Against the law, people near us let their Pit Bull run unleashed. Bylaw officer showed up yesterday and wrote them up, fine pending. Didn’t know this but the mutt jumped a lady out walking her dog. Woman knocked over blowing her knee out trying to protect her dog before owner of Pit Bull could stop the action. Civil court next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Dog breeding tantamount to animal cruelty in my books. As if we don’t do enough to make animal lives miserable.
    I feel the same way. And even the science is leaning that way. Not sure if you saw this article on dog breeding, https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-61494094 "A new study suggests that pugs face such serious health conditions they can "no longer be considered a typical dog from a health perspective." And the problems definitely aren't only with Pugs, they just happen to be the worst off. It's sad that we've caused so much suffering in an animal that is considered our best friend just for vanity purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconer360 View Post
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    Dog breeding tantamount to animal cruelty in my books. As if we don’t do enough to make animal lives miserable.
    I feel the same way. And even the science is leaning that way. Not sure if you saw this article on dog breeding, https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-61494094 "A new study suggests that pugs face such serious health conditions they can "no longer be considered a typical dog from a health perspective." And the problems definitely aren't only with Pugs, they just happen to be the worst off. It's sad that we've caused so much suffering in an animal that is considered our best friend just for vanity purposes.

    Man o’ man what they’ve done to Pugs is down right cruel. Don’t know if you can even call it an animal anymore, like something from Dr Frankenstein’s lab. Assume the other breeds are close behind. So much money spent on what’s actually a flawed dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Man o’ man what they’ve done to Pugs is down right cruel. Don’t know if you can even call it an animal anymore, like something from Dr Frankenstein’s lab. Assume the other breeds are close behind. So much money spent on what’s actually a flawed dog.
    Right? It's sickening. And you're absolutely right about other breeds being close behind. Even German Shepherds are riddled with problems due to breeding. They pretty much all get hip elbow dysplasia, a host of digestive problems, and degenerative disc disease. So by the time your average German Shepherd is reaching middle age they're starting to suffer. And law enforcement agencies pay top dollar for them and to train them despite these problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconer360 View Post
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    Man o’ man what they’ve done to Pugs is down right cruel. Don’t know if you can even call it an animal anymore, like something from Dr Frankenstein’s lab. Assume the other breeds are close behind. So much money spent on what’s actually a flawed dog.
    Right? It's sickening. And you're absolutely right about other breeds being close behind. Even German Shepherds are riddled with problems due to breeding. They pretty much all get hip elbow dysplasia, a host of digestive problems, and degenerative disc disease. So by the time your average German Shepherd is reaching middle age they're starting to suffer. And law enforcement agencies pay top dollar for them and to train them despite these problems.
    Tell you something Falc, may not be a dog guy but feel I’m doing more for dog breeds by not owning one than someone who actually breeds, sells or buys mutts….aka the dog business. I will definitely use some of this info next time I get into a discussion with dog lovers. Maybe why I like those African Hunting Dogs, wild and free.
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    Pit Bull history

    https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca...ment-pit-bulls

    Why would pit bull ancestors need to grab hold of bulls’/bears’ heads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Tell you something Falc, may not be a dog guy but feel I’m doing more for dog breeds by not owning one than someone who actually breeds, sells or buys mutts….aka the dog business. I will definitely use some of this info next time I get into a discussion with dog lovers. Maybe why I like those African Hunting Dogs, wild and free.
    At this point I kind of feel the same way. Although if I worked less I would be open to adopting a dog from a shelter. At least that would help a dog in need and wouldn't help a breeder.
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    Amazes me how much dogs influence/control some people’s thinking. I guess it’s popular in Europe to take your dog to a restaurant but I’ve now learned about dogs allowed at golf courses over there. Only a matter of time and wouldn’t you know, I saw an advertisement in which a local golf club here in Canada is trying to entice dog owners to bring their pooches along. Apparently it’s becoming popular here too. I’m not a dog guy but seems to me that dogs rule and business knows this.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/more-...dogs-1.3180166

    Can you imagine Rory McIlroy at The Open asking for a ruling after his ball rolls up against a big dog turd.
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    Allowing dogs on golf courses just seems like a problematic idea. I don't mind more places becoming dog friendly but there are some that seem counterintuitive.
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    Having a tough time believing these numbers but article sounds like it’s a conservative amount. Average annual cost of owning a dog here in Ontario…..well let’s have a look.

    https://www.phidirect.com/blog/the-average-cost-of-owning-a-dog-in-canada#:~:text=Once%20you've%20purchased%20your,at %20around%20%243%2C724%20a%

    I doubt if that includes any damages caused by dogs such as chewed furniture, dog bite lawsuits, property destruction, etc. If so then I think the average cost is higher.

    Like having a kid. WTF? Imagine owning more than one.

    If you have a little porker for a pet then compare….

    https://petkeen.com/mini-pig-cost/
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    I thought this number might be higher but in the UK ….

    https://www.propertyreporter.co.uk/a...ld-damage.html

    Still a shot in the arm for the economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    I thought this number might be higher but in the UK Ö.

    https://www.propertyreporter.co.uk/a...ld-damage.html

    Still a shot in the arm for the economy.
    That is an amazing amount of damage from dogs. Never would have guessed it. Dogs appear to be great for the economy - a lot of repeat business for sellers of rugs, chairs, etc. Have heard about some other chew toys, like cell phones, remotes, and other electronic gadgets. But those dogs are so adorable........

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    Like having a kid. WTF? Imagine owning more than one.
    The issue of raising children is even more amazing, and troubling. One of the sad but inevitable laments that we hear from all over the world is how parents are struggling to raise their eight children (or 10, etc. - pick a number).

    The same holds for pets. And if pets are so destructive, what about children. Can you find an estimate about damage costs from children? They are likely significant also. One imagines it is the price one must pay for having pets, whether they are cats, dogs, etc, or children. Have seen many parents treat their kids just like they treat their dogs, etc. All are pets to be fawned over, and scolded when they destroy costly items.

    Live and learn (or not).
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    I thought this number might be higher but in the UK ….

    https://www.propertyreporter.co.uk/a...ld-damage.html

    Still a shot in the arm for the economy.
    Made me think of my sister and her two dogs. They were older dogs and generally very well behaved, so she let them stay inside the house most of the time when she was at work. Well one day, one of them accidentally got trapped in the the downstairs bathroom (must have pushed the door closed unintentionally). My sister came home to both dogs sleeping casually in the living room and a big hole chewed through the bathroom door and door frame.
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