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    Another thought provoking video. What will you do when robots take over your job? More to the point, what will society do when most currently existing jobs become obsolete?

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    They couldn't ever take my type of job away. I repair peoples homes when something goes wrong with either their electricity or plumbing. To get into the places I've been in order to repair things would be impossible then to repair it would be impossible. So the trades are not subject to such technology.


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    One thing they said is incorrect: "You can't build an economy entirely based on poetry."

    That's what happens when all the practical jobs go to robots. Employment would then shift toward entertainment. You can employ an unlimited number of people doing unnecessary tasks, or luxury tasks.


    You can hire a lot of people to give back rubs. and getting a daily backrub becomes part of what it means to be above the poverty line. Or we can hire an unnecessarily large number of police, and then prop up the drug trade so those police will have someone to go out and bust (IE. create work and then do it.) Or we can grow the bureaucracy, and shuffle untold amounts of new and unnecessary paperwork around.

    But I think it would be preferably if the new jobs emerged in the entertainment/luxury area.
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    As we look into this subject. I conclude that the industry of human psychologies. Dealing with depression and suicide and general mental illness.. and computers in the work place are traumatic and devastating to the point of human existence.. being and becoming a valued member of society is hard enough for a mature nearing retirement age older person. Having little to do is for me a great option.
    ~ Being young and devoid of skills of experiance is a real and growing concern.. how, or can we fix it ?
    Leisure and entertainments might be all we have left.. " She'll be right' Might not be.."
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    It seems possible that we are headed for a future where a few individuals perform jobs that actually matter, and the majority do some sort of pointless make-work or simply have no paid employment at all. What are the implications? Will the human race dwindle out of sheer boredom? Will sex become such a popular pastime the population skyrockets? Will the empowered decisionmakers decide to cull the useless drones somehow?
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    I figure that it can go any number of ways. The first wave of machines in the 19th century effectively eliminated slavery. It became apparent that it would actually be cheaper to hire a small number of professionals to operate farm machines, rather than keep a larger number of slaves who would not operate machines very well (the machines had a tendency to break down, so the slaves could take the day off.) Slaves were never truly free labor, due to the cost of feeding, housing, clothing, and supervising. A professional worker's wage might be less than those costs, or close.

    So what I envision for the future is the next layer of cheap labor getting sent away. Mexican immigrants. There will no longer be an incentive to exploit desperate people and have them do super menial jobs like cooking, cleaning, picking berries, or sewing. At that point, probably the USA will finally get a decent set if immigration laws, and some genuine enforcement.

    Really replacing Mexican workers with machines would make almost zero difference to the American economy overall, since most Americans already view those jobs as being beneath them and refuse to work them. As for Mexico itself, that place is due for a collapse or revolution, or something, anyway. We might as well hurry it along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danhanegan View Post
    Another thought provoking video. What will you do when robots take over your job? More to the point, what will society do when most currently existing jobs become obsolete?

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    hey those vacuum cleaners are cool!

    They can't take my job away....they can't sing, dance and act! *S*
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by danhanegan View Post
    Another thought provoking video. What will you do when robots take over your job? More to the point, what will society do when most currently existing jobs become obsolete?

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    hey those vacuum cleaners are cool!

    They can't take my job away....they can't sing, dance and act! *S*
    And they sure do suck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    They can't take my job away....they can't sing, dance and act! *S*
    Dunno about that. Ever seen Toy Story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
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    they can't take my job away....they can't sing, dance and act! *s*
    dunno about that. Ever seen toy story?
    staring you down!!

    No comparison!
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    Actually, it seems inevitable to me that digitally created avatars will wind up taking the place of live actors in most recorded media, i.e. TV and movies. There are too many advantages to them, and its already very difficult to tell the best animated images from real people. There will probably still be a place for live stage actors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    staring you down!!

    No comparison!
    I think in the future digital animation will take the place of a lot of "real" actors. It's already happening to a degree with Toy Story and the like. Some of course still use human actors as their basis. Some (like Wall-E) use completely synthetic characters.

    As time goes on, this will expand. Real actors will be "enhanced" (made fatter, thinner, younger, bluer etc) via computer. Completely synthetic actors will play larger and larger roles. (Don't need much acting skill to run around and scream, or even have a conversation in the background.) This will appeal to:

    -studios; no SAG issues to deal with, no daily rate
    -actors (to some degree) - they will appreciate the ability to play younger/different roles
    -the moral majority; it is far easier to accept violence, sadism etc when applied to characters you _know_ are synthetic (witness the Star Wars prequel, where oil-spewing droid body parts go flying regularly.)
    -moviegoers, who will not see as rapid an increase in movie ticket prices if actors can be gradually replaced
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    In my point of view its good, then robot do human job... they make job easy and do it accurately.
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    Robots could do jobs none of us want to while we spend more time doing science & arts. There would still need to be people to program robots / look after them (unless they programmed themselves and then they would probably be conscious so they'd probably beat us up, I can't wait for the robot Socrates to ask them what is just).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trivium View Post
    Robots could do jobs none of us want to while we spend more time doing science & arts.
    Definitely. You just have to figure out a way that the guy who makes lousy clay pots can afford to feed himself.
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    ~ Our contributor 'Babe' makes a valid point and I add to the weight of this with a reminder that in spite of all the advancements of nanotechnologies, we still have horses.. Some for recreational uses and some actually still working as remote farm hardware. The modern world might well be filled with automated machinery but there will 'always' be a need for some human interactions. Actors need not be concerned with CGI replacing all and every. That will never happen. I have little doubt that the world will change and machines will do the mundane.. nasty and dangerous.. But people will prevail.. "High Ho Silver, and Away..."

    : note to Billvon; Paint your pots with a copper oxide and glass powder .. Fire them hotter..
    Some mug will buy them all..
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
    You just have to figure out a way that the guy who makes lousy clay pots can afford to feed himself.
    Educate him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
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    Robots could do jobs none of us want to while we spend more time doing science & arts.
    Definitely. You just have to figure out a way that the guy who makes lousy clay pots can afford to feed himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    ~ Our contributor 'Babe' makes a valid point and I add to the weight of this with a reminder that in spite of all the advancements of nanotechnologies, we still have horses.. Some for recreational uses and some actually still working as remote farm hardware. The modern world might well be filled with automated machinery but there will 'always' be a need for some human interactions. Actors need not be concerned with CGI replacing all and every. That will never happen. I have little doubt that the world will change and machines will do the mundane.. nasty and dangerous.. But people will prevail.. "High Ho Silver, and Away..."
    The OP's film addresses this. It points out that the current population of horses world wide is a tiny fraction of what it was prior the the advent of the automobile.

    So by extension of their logic, a tiny fraction of the present 7 billion humans would survive, because there will always be a few roles for them to fill. "Some for recreational uses, and some ... actually still working as remote farm hardware." as you say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    ~ Our contributor 'Babe' makes a valid point and I add to the weight of this with a reminder that in spite of all the advancements of nanotechnologies, we still have horses.. Some for recreational uses and some actually still working as remote farm hardware. The modern world might well be filled with automated machinery but there will 'always' be a need for some human interactions. Actors need not be concerned with CGI replacing all and every. That will never happen. I have little doubt that the world will change and machines will do the mundane.. nasty and dangerous.. But people will prevail.. "High Ho Silver, and Away..."

    : note to Billvon; Paint your pots with a copper oxide and glass powder .. Fire them hotter..
    Some mug will buy them all..
    *S* well stated
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