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    The social structure is extremely necessary to have a shock proof economy to some extent. What say?


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    Do you mean to say we have to have both wealthy and destitute in order to maintain a stable economy?


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    Can you provide an example of a social structure that stabilizes the economy during a natural disaster or economic shock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    The social structure is extremely necessary to have a shock proof economy to some extent. What say?
    Which social structure?

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    Do you mean to say we have to have both wealthy and destitute in order to maintain a stable economy?
    Sadly, that seems to be true. The trick is to minimise the destitute (which may also mean reducing the number of the wealthy). I'm sure there is some economic theory that explains why this is so.
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    [QUOTE=Strange;439102
    .........I'm sure there is some economic theory that explains why this is so.[/QUOTE]

    In the mid-80s, Economics expert Ravi Batra predicted in his book about the "Coming Depression" that concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands was the main factor involved causing these calamitous collapses. He believed it would happen before 1990, but missed by almost two decades. Nonetheless, it would be interesting to determine whether our recent economic woes have decreased the concentration of wealth or not. My gut feel is NO. I guess the wealth standing of the Sam Walton family might be worthy of mention for purposes of illustration, their annual net income exceeding the domestic product of many cities, and even a few small States! jocular
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    Yeh, jocular, I'd go with NO too.
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    I should like to mention that, contrary to appearance of my intent, in mentioning concentration of wealth, and citing a particular case, I have absolutely no ill feelings toward the rich, those who truly and honestly earned their wealth, no envious feelings, but absolutely despise the folks who have managed to convince us they seek public office solely to guide, represent, and enhance our own lives, while existing as true parasites amassing great personal monetary power through the seemingly endless ways which their "system" has developed: contractual "kick-backs", conflicting-interest positions controlling large companies, to mention only two. This is remindful of a healthy, robust living thing being slowly destroyed from within by parasitic worms, which finally die along with their host. jocular
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    I doubt that there is any such things as a stable social structure, or a shock proof economy.
    All is a delaying game before the inevitable fall.
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    [QUOTE=jocular;439115]
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange;439102
    .........I'm sure there is some economic theory that explains why this is so.[/QUOTE

    In the mid-80s, Economics expert Ravi Batra predicted in his book about the "Coming Depression" that concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands was the main factor involved causing these calamitous collapses. He believed it would happen before 1990, but missed by almost two decades. Nonetheless, it would be interesting to determine whether our recent economic woes have decreased the concentration of wealth or not. My gut feel is NO. I guess the wealth standing of the Sam Walton family might be worthy of mention for purposes of illustration, their annual net income exceeding the domestic product of many cities, and even a few small States! jocular
    I'd have to go along with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    I doubt that there is any such things as a stable social structure, or a shock proof economy.
    All is a delaying game before the inevitable fall.
    There are too many variables in a social structure to render it always stable, in my humble opinion. Thinking of the Great Depression and how people went from "stable" to NOTHING in a very quick period of time.
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    My folks were married 2 years when the Depression broke initially. I was born 12 years after that, and very often heard mention of things they had endured, as stories are so often told to children, to prepare them for adulthood. One year, my Dad earned only $150. A highly-skilled Tool & Die Maker, the new bank being built in our town hired him to hand-fit the hundreds of keys needed for the safety deposit boxes!

    Opting to not have kids of my own, a delicate and self-centered decision based on two things, one a dramatically unnerving experience, the other the realization that I valued my freedom to roust about more than would be good for kids, if they were present, a selfish thing, yes. My new wife and I had discovered Las Vegas during our honeymoon trip, and returned there many times on vacation during our years together. The bad experience I won't go into, except in private....(why would anyone care to know of a stranger's rough times?). jocular
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    My guess would be that a lot of the motivating factor behind concentration of wealth is the tendency of wealthy individuals to derive income both from managing labor AND managing natural resources.

    Whereas, for the most part, the poor only manage labor (their own labor).

    Remember supply and demand? As the supply of labor gets larger and larger and/or the demand for labor gets smaller and smaller, the value of natural resources increases steadily by comparison. Natural resources are rarely overabundant in any economy.

    So the great adjustment has always been to have a big, awful, depopulating war. That reduces the available labor, and then we're back to supply and demand. Remember supply and demand? If labor is less abundant, but natural resources are the same as before, then which item is going to go up in price? ....I'm thinking labor will go up in price.

    Those wars are what caused the world economy to be functional throughout history. But what can we do to make it functional without them?
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    So this is why humans are the only animal species to wage war against themselves! I'll be damned! jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    So this is why humans are the only animal species to wage war against themselves! I'll be damned! jocular
    Damned? For saying that? Probably not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    My folks were married 2 years when the Depression broke initially. I was born 12 years after that, and very often heard mention of things they had endured, as stories are so often told to children, to prepare them for adulthood. One year, my Dad earned only $150. A highly-skilled Tool & Die Maker, the new bank being built in our town hired him to hand-fit the hundreds of keys needed for the safety deposit boxes!

    Opting to not have kids of my own, a delicate and self-centered decision based on two things, one a dramatically unnerving experience, the other the realization that I valued my freedom to roust about more than would be good for kids, if they were present, a selfish thing, yes. My new wife and I had discovered Las Vegas during our honeymoon trip, and returned there many times on vacation during our years together. The bad experience I won't go into, except in private....(why would anyone care to know of a stranger's rough times?). jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    So this is why humans are the only animal species to wage war against themselves! I'll be damned! jocular
    we ain't the only animals to engage in warefare
    we just use more sophisticated weaponry

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    So this is why humans are the only animal species to wage war against themselves! I'll be damned! jocular

    does "shunka" mean ham?
    Indeed, it does! And, the Czechs, being ever-colorful in most all their endeavors (love bright, glaring designs, see some Czech-made dinnerware) in subtle ways, use many words vernacularly, though incorrectly. Shunka is also used to mean a slovenly person, or descriptively to denote any object of distasteful appearance, like an old stinky sneaker. Thus, a "shunkovy dedek" would be an old fart, like me! My Mother wished I would learn the language as a kid, she and my Dad having necessarily used it while growing up at home, as all my Grandparents were born in Europe. She coached me when I would sit still a few minmutes, which was rarely, and I of course retained mainly the words she would never have taught me!

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    So this is why humans are the only animal species to wage war against themselves! I'll be damned! jocular

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    Indeed, it does! And, the Czechs, being ever-colorful in most all their endeavors (love bright, glaring designs, see some Czech-made dinnerware) in subtle ways, use many words vernacularly, though incorrectly. Shunka is also used to mean a slovenly person, or descriptively to denote any object of distasteful appearance, like an old stinky sneaker. Thus, a "shunkovy dedek" would be an old fart, like me! My Mother wished I would learn the language as a kid, she and my Dad having necessarily used it while growing up at home, as all my Grandparents were born in Europe. She coached me when I would sit still a few minmutes, which was rarely, and I of course retained mainly the words she would never have taught me!

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    bushkuba was what my mother sadi...to refer to that
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    So this is why humans are the only animal species to wage war against themselves! I'll be damned! jocular

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    Indeed, it does! And, the Czechs, being ever-colorful in most all their endeavors (love bright, glaring designs, see some Czech-made dinnerware) in subtle ways, use many words vernacularly, though incorrectly. Shunka is also used to mean a slovenly person, or descriptively to denote any object of distasteful appearance, like an old stinky sneaker. Thus, a "shunkovy dedek" would be an old fart, like me! My Mother wished I would learn the language as a kid, she and my Dad having necessarily used it while growing up at home, as all my Grandparents were born in Europe. She coached me when I would sit still a few minmutes, which was rarely, and I of course retained mainly the words she would never have taught me!

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    bushkuba was what my mother sadi...to refer to that
    Forgive me, babe? I rarely exhibit a humorous side, so savor it...(or hate it!)..... Your Mother's name was "Sadi"? And I use shortened time intervals called "mini-minutes", minmutes for abbreviation! I think the actual bandanna word is "babushka", correctly spelled without the "s". You have Slavic parentage? Few of us Chicago-born Slavs ever dreamed of actually seeing Hawaii, until those who served their country did! jocular
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    So this is why humans are the only animal species to wage war against themselves! I'll be damned! jocular

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    Shunta was a ham, yes...

    Indeed, it does! And, the Czechs, being ever-colorful in most all their endeavors (love bright, glaring designs, see some Czech-made dinnerware) in subtle ways, use many words vernacularly, though incorrectly. Shunka is also used to mean a slovenly person, or descriptively to denote any object of distasteful appearance, like an old stinky sneaker. Thus, a "shunkovy dedek" would be an old fart, like me! My Mother wished I would learn the language as a kid, she and my Dad having necessarily used it while growing up at home, as all my Grandparents were born in Europe. She coached me when I would sit still a few minmutes, which was rarely, and I of course retained mainly the words she would never have taught me!

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    bushkuba was what my mother sadi...to refer to that
    My mather said *Swack*

    Forgive me, babe? I rarely exhibit a humorous side, so savor it...(or hate it!)..... Your Mother's name was "Sadi"? And I use shortened time intervals called "mini-minutes", minmutes for abbreviation! I think the actual bandanna word is "babushka", correctly spelled without the "s". You have Slavic parentage? Few of us Chicago-born Slavs ever dreamed of actually seeing Hawaii, until those who served their country did! jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    The social structure is extremely necessary to have a shock proof economy to some extent. What say?
    Well, how do social gaps contribute to a shock proof economy? Lets consider the GINI index in three economies which proved to be resilient in the last economic crisis: Germany (28.3), Norway(25.8), China (42.1)

    another three which are struggling in the crisis and their corresponding GINI indices
    Spain (34.7), Italy (36), Greece (34)

    The numbers prove that the economies which were resilient during the crisis had a low GINI Index (except china), i.e. less gap between the poor and rich... makes me believe there is no correlation between these factors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Sadly, that seems to be true. The trick is to minimise the destitute (which may also mean reducing the number of the wealthy). I'm sure there is some economic theory that explains why this is so.
    I agree. I was going to comment that the United States is a good example of what happens when you remove the middle from that wealth structure. It becomes less of a pyramid and more like something you'd see in a Jenga match.

    However, if you say anything even close to your "reducing the number of the wealthy" comment here in the States, you're immediately a socialist and public enemy #1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    The social structure is extremely necessary to have a shock proof economy to some extent. What say?
    Very true socioeconomic status if the frameowrk on which we base most of our fiscal decisions in who to trust.
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    My personal view is that anything on economics should start out in pseudoscience and move quickly to the Trash Can.
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    I am married to a CPA.

    We discuss, business, and politics and economics and even taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I am married to a CPA.

    We discuss, business, and politics and economics and even taxes.
    "A thrill a minute."
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
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    I am married to a CPA.

    We discuss, business, and politics and economics and even taxes.
    "A thrill a minute."
    Hey, I managed to get him to eat things he never would try and he says being married to me is an adventure.....*grin* old dogs can learn a few new tricks!!!

    He is really smart, and an incredible human being. He is rather brilliant, his field.
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