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  1. #1 Arent businessmen supposed to be in favor of competition? 
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    Communist North Carolina is preventing cars from reaching consumers!

    N.C. Bill May Block Manufacturers Like Tesla From Directly Selling Cars to Consumers - ABC News


    Basically the Car Salesmen and Dealerships of North Carolina
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    dont want the people of their state to have the choice to deal directly with a car maker.
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    Why dont they want people to have a choice to cut the middle man, just like Elevator Drivers?
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    Would the people of North Carolina (for those who know a bit about this soviet state) vote for such a bill to prevent themselves from buying a car online if they had a referendum/poll?



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    Car salesmen are pointless and annoying. Nowadays, before someone puts a years paycheck into a new car, they research it themselves. Whenever I shop for a car, I know more about it than any salesperson on the lot. The only thing having a salesperson making commission does is jack up the price.

    They're facing the reality of obsolescence and they're going down swinging.


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    Why don't the manufacturers just sell their cars on the internet now? That way they won't need a state to work out of but only a internet domain to sell to everyone , anywhere.
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    Sorry, what are yera and sharability?

    "Competition is always healthy". Healthy for whom? The consumer, perhaps, but not necessarily for the suppliers, or middle men.

    "We as a businessmen need to be in pace with their demands to be loved by them." It does not matter if they hate our guts, they merely have to value our products or services. Love has nothing to do with it.

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    Business is cut throat, it is dirty, and those that wish to participate in it must understand, know how and be as dirty and cut throat as they can be towards other companies. A smile, customer service or a product is nothing compared to manipulation, propaganda, explotation, investigation, whistleblowing and having a hand in crafting rules and regulations governing business in your area/areas of business.

    Competition is good, you just have to know how to compete.
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    Not saying I like it- just saying that you nailed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzales56 View Post
    Business is cut throat, it is dirty, and those that wish to participate in it must understand, know how and be as dirty and cut throat as they can be towards other companies. A smile, customer service or a product is nothing compared to manipulation, propaganda, explotation, investigation, whistleblowing and having a hand in crafting rules and regulations governing business in your area/areas of business.

    Competition is good, you just have to know how to compete.
    Well, hate to tell you but not all business is cut throat or dirty in my experience.

    We wouldn't have any association with any business that "did" business that way. We don't operate like that and that is a rather broad statement about "all" business companies.

    If your product is sound, there isn't any need to be anything but integrity in your company. Period.

    I have owned my own business.
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    Rather in how you handle your business dealings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Not saying I like it- just saying that you nailed it.
    I flat out don't agree. No offense intended. We have never done business like that. EVER!
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    I don't do business that way, either.

    But that doesn't mean the big corporations don't do it that way- they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    I don't do business that way, either.

    But that doesn't mean the big corporations don't do it that way- they do.
    On that we shall agree *S*
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    Communist North Carolina is preventing cars from reaching consumers!

    N.C. Bill May Block Manufacturers Like Tesla From Directly Selling Cars to Consumers - ABC News


    Basically the Car Salesmen and Dealerships of North Carolina
    cardealers.jpg

    dont want the people of their state to have the choice to deal directly with a car maker.
    tesla.jpg

    Why dont they want people to have a choice to cut the middle man, just like Elevator Drivers?
    elevatordriver.jpg

    Would the people of North Carolina (for those who know a bit about this soviet state) vote for such a bill to prevent themselves from buying a car online if they had a referendum/poll?

    I guess it does seem a rather anit-competitive stance. But I would say in general electric cars are far harder to sell than their petrol driven counterparts and thus the state should be doing everything it can to support the company and help to increase sales.

    Sure it's possible to see it from the point of view of licensed car dealers who are making their livings from selling cars in a particular traditional way being concerned and unhappy about others coming into the market place and doing things differently. That really is only to be expected, added competition and change will create some worry for them, but the world we live in is changing and moving on all the time, that's part of being in business, the ability to see and react to the changes that are taking place.
    Is it the correct thing to do, to force new manufacturers who are looking for innovative ways to sell their product to turn back the clock and adopt the same old fashioned sales methods being used by everyone else?

    Also, though here I must confess I'm about fuzzy about the US/State rules & regulations on this one, why wouldn't people interested in buying a Tesla, simply go outside of Nouth Carolina to buy their cars. If Telsa are indeed being barred from selling directly within the state, can't they simply arrange for customers to pick their vehicles up from across the state line. Admittedly if you'd had to take your car out of the state for maintence and serviceing this might have been a pain, but the bill mentions nothing about any prohibition of such.
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    I'm siding with Teddy Roosevelt on this one. Competition is key to a healthy economy for all...monopolies can artificially raise prices without competition because they effectively set the price in the market. They tend to pay workers as little as possible. Why do you think we had to institute a minimum wage in this country? Given the chance, people like Sam Walton (who once paid workers .50 cents an hour in a time when 1 dollar was the minimum wage) will think only of personal profit and put it before the needs of employees.

    Remember when J.P Morgan owned Western Union, Aetna Life Insurance, General Electric, Pullman Car company, several banks and over twenty railroads? Remember when Rockefeller monopolized oil? Remember when 65 percent of the nation's wealth was created by these "trusts"? Remember the labor unions being shot upon and effectively shut down by federal troops and private , hired mercenaries from agencies like Baldwin-Felts? Was this good for the country as a whole? No. What I remember most about the late 1800's and early 1900's is black lung disease, mining wars, railroad worker strikes and poverty. Life was good. If you were wealthy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gonzales56 View Post
    Business is cut throat, it is dirty, and those that wish to participate in it must understand, know how and be as dirty and cut throat as they can be towards other companies. A smile, customer service or a product is nothing compared to manipulation, propaganda, explotation, investigation, whistleblowing and having a hand in crafting rules and regulations governing business in your area/areas of business. Competition is good, you just have to know how to compete.
    Well, hate to tell you but not all business is cut throat or dirty in my experience.We wouldn't have any association with any business that "did" business that way. We don't operate like that and that is a rather broad statement about "all" business companies.If your product is sound, there isn't any need to be anything but integrity in your company. Period.I have owned my own business.
    Keyword in your post is "owned". There is also a big difference between being self-employed and owning or running a business.

    Most dirty and cutthroat deeds are hidden by and done in the name of fairness, concern, kindness and integrity. It is actually preferred to do it in this manner whenever and wherever possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzales56 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzales56 View Post
    Business is cut throat, it is dirty, and those that wish to participate in it must understand, know how and be as dirty and cut throat as they can be towards other companies. A smile, customer service or a product is nothing compared to manipulation, propaganda, explotation, investigation, whistleblowing and having a hand in crafting rules and regulations governing business in your area/areas of business. Competition is good, you just have to know how to compete.
    Well, hate to tell you but not all business is cut throat or dirty in my experience.We wouldn't have any association with any business that "did" business that way. We don't operate like that and that is a rather broad statement about "all" business companies.If your product is sound, there isn't any need to be anything but integrity in your company. Period.I have owned my own business.
    Keyword in your post is "owned". There is also a big difference between being self-employed and owning or running a business.

    Most dirty and cutthroat deeds are hidden by and done in the name of fairness, concern, kindness and integrity. It is actually preferred to do it in this manner whenever and wherever possible.
    I ran and owned it. I have been self-employed for 25 years.

    Sorry, I disagree with you.

    In any business I have been associated with, you know who is and who is not reputable. That includes integrity, without a hidden agenda.

    I don't think we shall agree in this and I will not argue with you. You obviously have not had the business experience I have. Nor that we have in our businesses and how WE run them.
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    A car can be great on the road and bad on a lake, a boat can be great on a lake and bad on the road.
    You can have both crooked business and ethical ones, because you have experience one (or the other) it doesnt mean its all the same.
    You cant rely one local business X being honest, to rest assured that Chemical Leak Inc is not leaking toxing chemicals in the water table, nor think they will be forthcoming and self-incriminate themselves.


    But that is sliding away from the original issue.


    State legislators should not be allowed to craft laws that prevent Tesla (or other companies) from selling directly online,
    since (according to independent polls) the vast majority of the population supports as a choice the option to buy directly instead of
    having to go through a middle man. So these laws are anti-democratic and the corrupt legislators should be tried and condemned at least in the court of public opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    A car can be great on the road and bad on a lake, a boat can be great on a lake and bad on the road.You can have both crooked business and ethical ones, because you have experience one (or the other) it doesnt mean its all the same.You cant rely one local business X being honest, to rest assured that Chemical Leak Inc is not leaking toxing chemicals in the water table, nor think they will be forthcoming and self-incriminate themselves.But that is sliding away from the original issue. State legislators should not be allowed to craft laws that prevent Tesla (or other companies) from selling directly online,since (according to independent polls) the vast majority of the population supports as a choice the option to buy directly instead ofhaving to go through a middle man. So these laws are anti-democratic and the corrupt legislators should be tried and condemned at least in the court of public opinion.
    Legislators dont come up with these laws/regulations, other businesses do. Regulations, regardless of the propaganda and spin selling them, are to reduce competition for certain/select busnisses.

    Tesla needs to start playing the game the way its played and fight.
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    "Tesla needs to start playing the game the way its played and fight."
    Maybe, but the population still needs to whack those legislators out with brooms and throw tomatoes at them if not tar and feather them out of office when they are so blatantly corrupt and sold-out bribery hogs.

    or

    voicing you support for the choice for direct sale might do the trick.
    here's a petition, I'm not sure if it helps but since it probably doesnt hurt and takes a few seconds

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...tates/bFN7NHQR
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    "Tesla needs to start playing the game the way its played and fight."
    Maybe, but the population still needs to whack those legislators out with brooms and throw tomatoes at them if not tar and feather them out of office when they are so blatantly corrupt and sold-out bribery hogs.orvoicing you support for the choice for direct sale might do the trick.here's a petition, I'm not sure if it helps but since it probably doesnt hurt and takes a few secondshttps://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...tates/bFN7NHQR
    There are a thousand sympathetic reasons that can be spun up to deny tesla, and there are clearly more politicians in the pockets of ford, gm, toyota, honda or whomever is sticking it to Tesla than Tesla has in their pockets.

    The petition is cool but, tesla is going to have to fight for everything they get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    "Tesla needs to start playing the game the way its played and fight."
    Maybe, but the population still needs to whack those legislators out with brooms and throw tomatoes at them if not tar and feather them out of office when they are so blatantly corrupt and sold-out bribery hogs.

    or

    voicing you support for the choice for direct sale might do the trick.
    here's a petition, I'm not sure if it helps but since it probably doesnt hurt and takes a few seconds

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...tates/bFN7NHQR
    good luck....here's some tomatoes
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    Apparently the white house petition needs 100,000 signatures before a few days from now.

    Why?

    What happens if it gets 100,001 signatures by this week, that doesn't happen if it gets 999,999 signatures or gets 150,000 in two weeks?

    (You get an official "isnt this nice, I'll look into it" response?)
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    Businessmen only favor competition when they are trying to expand their business into a competitive environment. Once you have the advantage, you want to lock up the market and eliminate all competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    Communist North Carolina is preventing cars from reaching consumers!

    N.C. Bill May Block Manufacturers Like Tesla From Directly Selling Cars to Consumers - ABC News


    Basically the Car Salesmen and Dealerships of North Carolina
    cardealers.jpg

    dont want the people of their state to have the choice to deal directly with a car maker.
    tesla.jpg

    Why dont they want people to have a choice to cut the middle man, just like Elevator Drivers?
    elevatordriver.jpg

    Would the people of North Carolina (for those who know a bit about this soviet state) vote for such a bill to prevent themselves from buying a car online if they had a referendum/poll?

    "Buisnessmen" Want control if they can control the competitions prices and drive their own up they will do so, otherwise.... this happens^
    "The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error; but who does strive to do deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
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    I agree that car salesmen are sometimes pointless and business should not be doing any competition.In Finland country many business only focus on proper management including riskienhallinta or risk management in order to make the business run smoothly hope that car companies should only to proper management to step into their own success.
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    I have the best used car salesman in the USA....I bought 1 car, daughter bought 2, BIL bought 13 from them...and no we were and aren't related.

    I will buy my nest one from him even though I have to ship it.!

    Never knew there was such a thing a a car person with total integrity!!
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