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March 8th, 2008, 12:58 PM
This is a very simple question with a complicated answer; what makes someone a genius?
Loads of really dumb people.
Wikipedia...oooh what's that?Originally Posted by miomaz
How clever are you?
March 9th, 2008, 10:24 AM
A good memory is a start. However I think there's a difference between someone who can memorize what's known and a person who can add to it or apply it. Genius is not limited to the arts and sciences.
Remember the movie 'Rain Man". An idiot savant memorizes an entire phonebook. Can you classify such a person as genius?
I doubt very much if you'll find a genius in some mundane, backbreaking job. I can't envision Einstein herding sheep or digging a ditch.
I guess if you have to ask then genius status will be withheld from you.
Being viewed as intelligent by others and being categorized into our man made realm of "smart".
Perhaps an evolutionary way to phrase the question is: why does it benefit groups / species to have extremes of intelligence? A lot of traits tend to average out (the extremes are continuously shaved off - selected away - unless they someday become useful). Extremely small or large feet sure wouldn't give much advantage. If intelligence would average out like so many genetic traits then we wouldn't have geniuses, everyone would be somewhat equal.
Maybe higher organisms with a level of group organization benefit from having extremes of intelligence coexist within a population. It gives rise to a division of labour, which increases productivity of the group as a whole. We need our Alphas, Betas.. and Epsilons (see Brave New World), the fact that we differ in intelligence makes it much easier to divide tasks within groups in an efficient way.
So maybe that's why we have geniuses, it's useful to have some but we can't all be like that :wink:
It's also probably the way you were brought up.
Genius's tend to be people who are free from convention and find their own ways of thinking and doing.
True!
A perfect answer. Statistically accurate and humourous also.
The answer is always genes and environment :P
Not always. There are other factors such as environment and parenting.
There are different levels of intelligence. One can be a genius in one area and lack common sense in another. A person who uses the Right brain more frequently is giften in logic, science, practical, whereas one who uses the Left brain tends to be gifted in using imagination, understanding philosophical concepts and has better spacial perception.
Well, the first question that arises is intelligence? For me, I prefer the Triarchic theory of intelligence which states that there are three types of intelligence: Analytical, Creative, and Practical. Analytical intelligence is intellgience that involves problem solving, decision making, and obtaining new information. Practical intelligent is the ability to adapt to our environment.
I think that anyone of these types of intelligents is valued by society. One that is analytical and creative can become a great scientist and engineer. One that is creative can be a great artist,writer, or musician. One that has practical intelligence would make a great politician. These types of people might be considered "geniuses" by our definition.
One question that I wonder though, is that how much drugs can effect intelligent. It is knwn that JRR Tolkein and some of the greatest musicians do so while under Hallucinogens.
True. Today's geniuses have a broad range. You could be a musical genius, a mathematical genius or plain wise.
Or how about a genius of geniuses?
I would hardly call pipe tobacco a hallucinogenic. While many of Tolkien's followers were very much into drugs, I have never heard of accounts that would include Tolkien. He was a family man, devout catholic, nature lover, linguist, professor and author.
I have written excellent pieces of literature and poetry
And painted masterpieces of art whilst under the influence of drugs.
And then i sobered up........
Better to enjoy the trip, but not write about it until after
I think intelligence is how interconnected your neurons are.
Mabye some drug substences increase chemical activity between certain neurons, and or spark new nueral connections.
It could be but that is not the only factor. I think that all of them mentioned to affect one's intellect...even the lots of dumb people one!
[quote="Raymond K"]
Hi Raymond,
Whilst you and anyone else uses your or their intellectual prowess to determine what part intelligence takes in creating a genius, I suggest that you do not get sucked into the pseudo intellectual peer reviewed explanations of what intelligence actually is and determine its meaning from your own experience, I therefor offer the following hint with questions which should be answered as they are read..
*What is intelligence ?
Any information received via the senses should be considered as experience.
Human beings have the wherewithal to experience as well as to hold memory of experience, it is this which facilitates learning, anything learned becomes knowledge. The skill and success with which this learning is used is indicative of intelligence.
Knowledge is no more than the result of experience.
All creatures have, to a greater or lesser degree, the wherewithal to experience as well as to hold memory of experience, it is this which facilitates learning, anything learned becomes knowledge. The skill and success with which this learning is used is indicative of intelligence. This applies to all creatures from microbes, fruit flies and elephants.
Given that such creatures as maggots, crabs and apes have intelligence what is it that makes them different from you and I?
* What is the difference?
It is intellectually important to recognize its distinction from intellect. javascript:emoticon(':wink:')
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[quote="arthur w"]
Hi Raymond,
Whilst you and anyone else uses your or their intellectual prowess to determine what part intelligence takes in creating a genius, I suggest that you do not get sucked into the pseudo intellectual peer reviewed explanations of what intelligence actually is and determine its meaning from your own experience, I therefor offer the following hint with questions which should be answered as they are read..
The higher intelligence would have a different brain setup than the average intelligence, and if they didn't they would be the average intelligence. The more interconnected your neurons are, the more irregular your thoughts are as compared to the average person. Some studies show that the more intelligent you are, the greater chance for some form of insainty. This makes sense, the more interconnected your neurons are, the more different and unusual your thinking would be compared to the normal person.
The brain works on a feedback mechanism like a loop
The more you use your brain and make new connections the wider scope of its function
The more you use particular neuron pathways the stronger they become.
Which is how habits are formed-good or bad.
Genius's are simply people who use their brains more.
They are also more in touch with that deep well from where revelations and genius ideas spring - the unconscious.
I comlpetely agree with the above statement.
I watched a program on this, can't remember where though. It turned out that kids who are taught alot about for example chess when very young, they'll will grow up to be a chess master, why? It turns out that the brain stores things in segments in the long-time memory as recognizable patterns after some repeating in the short-time memory. Certain situations on the chessboard are easily recognized by a chess genius/master because of the recognizable patterns. Small situations on the chessboard are recognized in the same way familiar faces are recognized, it turns out, and after years of practice on certain things, like chess, you'll eventually become a genius in it.
I think I should mention an experiment that was done on the program, as an example, which revealed the interesting fact about the brain recognizing familiar patterns in segments. Each situation on the chessboard is a recognizable pattern. Because of this the person is capable to play practically on intuition. The brain reacts according to the recognizable patterns.
The experiment was set up like this: The genius chess master was sitting outside a cafe or restaurant with a chessboard. Her objective was to replicate a picture of a chessboard game. The picture was imprinted on a truck that would drive by, giving her just a few seconds to look at it. Amazingly, she managed to replicate every single detail on the truck on the chessboard perfectly.
Now they tried again, but this time the chesspieces were scattered randomly on the picture on the truck. Amazingly, this time she couldn't replicate anything shown on the truck! The reason for this was because the random placement of the pieces wasn't recognizable. She couldn't recognize the different situations/patterns on the chessboard.
It's true that some people are born with certain advantages, but overall, anyone can become a genius with a lot of practice! (Emphasis on "a lot")
April 19th, 2008, 03:44 PM
Q. What makes a genuis?
A. The opposite of what made me.
On a more serious note I belive anyone can be truly gifted in thier field if they apply themselves and devote and thier time and effort into work in that area. So plenty of people as long as they strive for prefection could be genuis in their field. All that is need is a shitload of hard detemined work and effort. And a brain.
some 1 with 1337 m3n74l 5k1llz is a 93n10u5! xD
And for people unable to translate that, let me:
"someone with leet [or professional] mental skills is a genius"
heh
it depends
You Jef
are being an annoying little toe rag
If you don't mind my saying so
But then why else come on a forum if you don't seek critique?
Or is it just to post meandering meaningless one liners which address nothing
except drivel?
That's the second time you've posted the above phrase now in response to debates.
But i'm sure you know that, or perhaps you don't?
In my opinion, two particular traits can classify one as a genius. The first being a lofty intellect. The second, and most important, being the abilty to process thoughts in a manner that is completely unique, and often times more efficient than common linear thinking styles.
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May 9th, 2008, 03:58 AM
You're a genius if you have humor, if you are sensible to what is happening to your life, or, if you love the apparatus that bona fide geniuses love, like the microscopes, test tube, etc. Okay?
May 9th, 2008, 06:24 AM
A genius is is someone who is knowledgeable enough not to be called a dumb. He is someone who is sensible enough to know and to understand the things that surrounds him. Most of all, a genius is a person who knows how to manipulate simple lab tools like microscope, pipet, weighing scale, etc.
In my opinion, intelligence is NOT knowledge, but reasoning. The ability to solve a problem tells me someone can think through to a conclusion, not merely sounding off something they memorized. Many doctors were great students, but lousy diagnosticians.
Depends on what you classify as a genius.
Someone smarter than the average bloke?
Well they obviously have to be smarter than the average bloke to be a genius in your eyes.
Its all a matter of what your definition of genius is.
May 18th, 2008, 02:36 PM
Personally I think it is someone that can think completely for themselves - thinking outside the box, as it were - and have the neural capacity and connections to understand and link concepts more quickly than the average joe. I'm not saying that this is all a genius is, but if you asked me and a genius a difficult question, chances are they'd be able to solve it much more quickly than me. And I believe that to be due to the fact that they understood the idea more quickly and could also process it more quickly than I could.
Genius and Idiots
Genius come out with facts that are acceptable by the world which the world cannot think of.
Idiots come out with the facts that are ignored by the world that the world also cannot think of. but the world called it unreasonable.
By few decades later the idea of the idiots finally become which are acceptable by the world, then the idiots become a genius.
And a lot of idiots remain alive until they are died, they become genius.
A Genius makes a Genius
It's like beauty
You've either got it or you haven't
"Genius" to me, conjures "genie" and the root "jinn" - an enormous spirit of smokeless fire and grave magic. Definitely evil genius. Supernatural.
Iconclasm and idiosyncracy.
Genius is just a stupid description.
June 30th, 2008, 02:39 PM
Hi,
So according to Triarchic view of intelligence there's creative and analytical and practical sidce to it. I'm sure that someone has analyzed different species for those 3 kinds of intelligence. Has there been any findings like which knd of intelligence prevails in different species or groups of animals?
I liked this idea the best :-D :-D :-D
July 2nd, 2008, 03:40 AM
are you able to perform under pressure?if yes.then you are a genius.well it depends upon how you define the term 'genius'. the background against which one is working also needs to be taken into account.
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