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    I noticed this on another forum and thought it was an interesting topic.

    SCIENTISTS have created eerie zombie dogs, reanimating the canines after several hours of clinical death in attempts to develop suspended animation for humans.
    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...-13762,00.html

    I doubt the dog in the picture has anything to do with the study. As someone else pointed out it appears to be an Alaskan sled dog.


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    What kind of Salt solution is that for revival? Do you think its really possible to apply this technique to humans? I've realized anything that has to do with cloning or cellular manipulation requires temperatures always around freezing point also. Ethics of this seem to be if its ok to bring a living thing back to life, since there is a lost brain activity


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    I dont think that this would be right i mean who are we to be playing god deciding who will live and die its not nataurall (obviously) and its realy going back to Francinstine and him creating his monster.
    Its not whats on the out side that we observe closer
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    Would you say that if it was your wife who had just died?
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    The biggest question I have is how the hell do you test a dog for brain damage to any degree that would have meaning for a human?

    I think such research would be more likely to push back the clinical definition of death. The dogs apparently were not clinically dead before the bodies were chilled. No, I'm wrong; they were exsanguinated, and within 2 minutes of cardiac arrest the chilled solution was introduced. Anyhow, these must have been healthy dogs.

    It is interesting to note that his daughter was probably no older than her early 20's, and was more likely much younger, when she died.

    Other links:
    Abstracts of the studies:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...22%5BAuthor%5D

    Less inflammatory news account:
    http://www.mindfully.org/Health/2005...far29jun05.htm

    Institute stament
    http://www.safar.pitt.edu/content/ne.../statement.htm

    Obituary
    http://www.early-defib.org/news.asp?news_id=97
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    Quote Originally Posted by kestasjk
    Would you say that if it was your wife who had just died?
    Yes i would because i think it would be un-natuaral to live by some machine bringing you back to life and you would get people that end acting as if they are god and trying to cheat death with a machine like that and i personaly would not like to have it done to me i mean you go through one death why go through another that could be worse?... but that is just my opinion.
    Its not whats on the out side that we observe closer
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssj4dave
    Quote Originally Posted by kestasjk
    Would you say that if it was your wife who had just died?
    Yes i would because i think it would be un-natuaral to live by some machine bringing you back to life and you would get people that end acting as if they are god and trying to cheat death with a machine like that and i personaly would not like to have it done to me i mean you go through one death why go through another that could be worse?... but that is just my opinion.
    Bullshit. If it was your loved one you would revive them, just like they do all the time in hospitals around the world. They wouldn't even ask you if you wanted to or not they would just do it, it goes without saying. If you don't think you would want them to then you just can't imagine the feeling of loss.

    Do you consider CPR and <whatever acronym is used for that thing where they get your heart going again with an electric shock> evil too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by j
    The biggest question I have is how the hell do you test a dog for brain damage to any degree that would have meaning for a human?
    With a CAT scan I imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kestasjk
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    The biggest question I have is how the hell do you test a dog for brain damage to any degree that would have meaning for a human?
    With a CAT scan I imagine.
    I am rather at a loss as to how to even approach that reply.

    Well, I really don't know much about CT scans. Can you tell me how they measure elements of personality such as a sense of humor or taste in music? Because I wouldn't want my dog back from the grave [never mind my spouse] with a different personality.

    Perhaps you have been spared the pain of a loved one suffering from Alzheimer's, or a severe head injury, or even a stroke. I, however, am not so sanguine about the effects of even subtle neurological damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssj4dave
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    Would you say that if it was your wife who had just died?
    Yes i would because i think it would be un-natuaral to live by some machine bringing you back to life ...
    'Machines' restore, prolong, and enhance life to a large degree now; most people think its a good thing. I share your suspicions about the arrogance of science, but I saw some-one brought back from the edge of death recently. In general, I think it's a good thing.

    You should check out the links; this isn't really about Franken-dogs. It is about an emergency treatment for severe trauma that results in fatal blood loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssj4dave
    Quote Originally Posted by kestasjk
    Would you say that if it was your wife who had just died?
    Yes i would because i think it would be un-natuaral to live by some machine bringing you back to life and you would get people that end acting as if they are god and trying to cheat death with a machine like that and i personaly would not like to have it done to me i mean you go through one death why go through another that could be worse?... but that is just my opinion.
    Define "un-natural".

    Define the qualities that would lead to acting like "god".
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