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    I just killed a spider... and the curiosity drove me so crazy that I had to come online, find a science forum, and ask people who might know.

    After I killed this spider, (I crushed it in a Kleenex, and I definitely felt it pop) its legs kept twitching, they've been going for probably 5 minutes now, slowing down very gradually. Why in the world do they keep doing this, if I just crushed it?

    Also, the spiders legs seem to be just long flexible lines, I don't see any joints, and they seem to just bend in whichever way they please. Do spiders legs have joints? Or are they just like... hollow tubes that bend whichever way the spider wants?


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    They have joints that are restricted and use a form of hydraulics instead of muscles in their legs.

    I cant see how anybody can be so ignorant as to be afraid of a fly assassinating arachnid. Although If its still moving for five minute, the chances are you didnt kill it and It must be one hell of a mother fucker to pop, so you must be a jungle bunny or something.


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    I really don't think it was necessary to personally attack me and call me ignorant. Maybe to the flies, I'm an arachnid assassinating human, and I'm their hero. Thanks for the answer about the legs, jerk.
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    You are welcome .

    I dont know how you are going to get through life though being a pussy.

    Do you know scientists have mimicked the semaphore spider, and have had primitive communication with it.?
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    Ghost, why are you being an ass for no good reason? Nowhere in the OP was anything even mentioned about being afraid of spiders in the first place. I know you have no compunctions about being mean to people, but at least restrict yourself to people who deserve it.

    Spiders do have joints, but if its legs were so thin that they didn't look like they obviously had joints, you may have killed a daddy-long-legs instead, which is an insect that looks a lot like a spider. It's legs are jointed too, they're just very very thin. How many legs did the thing you killed have?
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    What ever!

    I just think some people should educate themselves in the nature of spiders before they ignorantly pull their skirt up like an old woman and trample on them. We actually owe to these creatures and learning from them may even one day lead us to great discoveries.
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    Let's be realistic. If it was a rare and endangered species of spider that was trampled, I might agree. But most spiders (along with most insects) are doing pretty well for themselves, and can stand the loss to their numbers by being squished when a person happens to find one in their house. And I think this person deserves at least some credit for trying to change his status as an "ignorant" trampler of arachnids. Clearly he/she's not among the vast number of people who don't give a crap about spiders period.
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    I'm glad I'm not the only one who considers him a jerk.

    I'm not afraid of spiders, but when I find bugs in my room (especially on my bed), I kill them. Its not because I'm afraid it will bite me and poison me while I sleep, its only because if there's one less spider in my room, there's one less chance for them to reproduce and make MORE spiders in my room. If he was promising he was on his way out and would never come back, fine, but thats not how it is. Quit flexing your internet muscles because we'll never meet.

    It didn't look like normal daddy long legs, and I'm fairly sure it had 8 legs, but I didn't count. Thanks paralith for educating me, and defending me.
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    Hmm... maybe GhostofMaxwell reacts so strongly because he cannot understand why a (presumably) intelligent human being would find enjoyment in mutilating and killing harmless spiders (and then being anxious to brag about how they watched them die). I have to admit I did the same thing as a 3 year old, but eventually grew out of that stage.

    GhostofMaxwell, haven't you realized that most people have no respect for life unless in comes in human form?
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    Yeah I sense a great deal of pride and pleasure in his conquest.
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    The dude killed a spider in his house. Like most everyone else would do. I've even done it myself. Shocker! There's enough spiders around that they don't need to take up residence in mine - I think the ecosystem can afford the loss. Go plant a tree or something if you want to make up for our murderous earth-raping rampage.
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    I understand you, Neutrino, but one question I do have (and this is off-topic): Why do people think that the number of individuals determines their right to live? Does that mean if we had 12 billion people living on Earth, your life and mine would be worth only half as much as it is now (with about 6 billions)? Besides, I think the eco-system would have no issue at all with the loss of all of humanity (au contraire). Does that mean we're not worth anything?

    By the way, I killed a mosquito that was bugging me yesterday, although I don't mean to brag about it. :wink:
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    I wasn't bragging about it, I asked a question because I was curious. Get your head out of your ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M
    I understand you, Neutrino, but one question I do have (and this is off-topic): Why do people think that the number of individuals determines their right to live? Does that mean if we had 12 billion people living on Earth, your life and mine would be worth only half as much as it is now (with about 6 billions)? Besides, I think the eco-system would have no issue at all with the loss of all of humanity (au contraire). Does that mean we're not worth anything?

    By the way, I killed a mosquito that was bugging me yesterday, although I don't mean to brag about it. :wink:
    It's a spider, not a person. I don't value their lives very highly I'm sorry to say. I really am not sure they have a "right" to live, either. Think of it this way - I'm not killing a spider so much as guiding their evolution in the direction of "stay the hell out of my house". :P
    It's good for them in the long run!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MainEvent
    Send more troops in god dammit, Ssed nd mmm oooreeee

    lfbddakaaaaalbd E LP



    Those were the last words of the american spider.


    RIP just another statistic.
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    I don't think humans have any more right to live than the spider, but its not like a shark thinks twice before ripping a human's arm off. Things kill other things, its the way the world works, I'm not the first person to kill a spider, I won't be the last.

    And I don't know what jungle bunny means, so fuck you just in case.
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    ok MainEvent, cool it. I defended you because you'd done nothing wrong, and now you're acting an awful lot like Ghost did to you.

    1. MainEvent wasn't bragging about killing the spider. He was surprised that it continued to move for so long after he was sure it must be dead. Someone who hasn't often watched animals die probably doesn't realize a lot of twitching and wriggling can occur as the still dying neurons randomly fire, even if the brain is already dead.

    2. Neutrino, I appreciate your reply about human numbers and their worth, but the fact of the matter is that human-to-human value is a different issue than human-to-animal value. The rules are different. Strictly speaking it's not "fair" to non-human species, but that's reality. If you accept that a human's life is more important than an animal's life, that if a human and a dog were drowning you'd save the human first, then you have to accept the human-animal hierarchy. It's not that non-human life isn't important or valuable - it's just not as important or valuable as human life. Long story short, it's not worth getting in a moral conundrum over killing an individual of a highly numerous, often irritating, and hardly conscious animal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrino
    Quote Originally Posted by M
    I understand you, Neutrino, but one question I do have (and this is off-topic): Why do people think that the number of individuals determines their right to live? Does that mean if we had 12 billion people living on Earth, your life and mine would be worth only half as much as it is now (with about 6 billions)? Besides, I think the eco-system would have no issue at all with the loss of all of humanity (au contraire). Does that mean we're not worth anything?

    By the way, I killed a mosquito that was bugging me yesterday, although I don't mean to brag about it. :wink:
    It's a spider, not a person. I don't value their lives very highly I'm sorry to say. I really am not sure they have a "right" to live, either. Think of it this way - I'm not killing a spider so much as guiding their evolution in the direction of "stay the hell out of my house". :P
    It's good for them in the long run!
    Ha ha ha! By the way, as far as I know, spiders open their legs with the hydrolic system and close them with muscles. Their legs curl up because the hydrolic system fails when they die and the muscles contract. In South Africa what we call a daddy long-legs is actually a spider, but they can't bite you because their jaws are too small. I hate/fear spiders and kill them without mercy. I know my fear is irrational, but its still there and find it less bad than actually breeding animals to be killed for food. I'm not a vegetarian either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MainEvent

    And I don't know what jungle bunny means, so fuck you just in case.
    The jungle is a place where I feel real parasites on my life should go back to.

    Its nothing to do with race youn understand, its to do with evolution. If they dont want to get out of my country I will mercilessly kill them.

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    who cares, its just another spider-killer.
    myself, i think spiders are interesting creatures, and they keep the
    ratio of annoying insects low. theres hardly any flies here where i live.

    i just wish there was a spider in my old house, it was literally swarming with flies of various shapes and sizes. i remember spending time at the window with a scissor, trying to cut the flies in half, then watch them wander around in circles with their back body missing.
    at one time i messed around with a needle, and i hit one fly on the head
    with it. it went braindead.
    it was alive, but it had become completely thoughtless. if i pushed it, it walked in the direction i pushed. i tried to pinprick as many flies i could, to create a braindead army of flies, although they died off very quickly, because they starved themselves to death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dejawolf
    who cares, its just another spider-killer.
    myself, i think spiders are interesting creatures, and they keep the
    ratio of annoying insects low. theres hardly any flies here where i live.

    i just wish there was a spider in my old house, it was literally swarming with flies of various shapes and sizes. i remember spending time at the window with a scissor, trying to cut the flies in half, then watch them wander around in circles with their back body missing.
    at one time i messed around with a needle, and i hit one fly on the head
    with it. it went braindead.
    it was alive, but it had become completely thoughtless. if i pushed it, it walked in the direction i pushed. i tried to pinprick as many flies i could, to create a braindead army of flies, although they died off very quickly, because they starved themselves to death.
    Now this guy is much more brutal than I am.

    Although, he gets much cooler results than I do.
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    On the topic of spiders, sometimes I walk into my bathroom to find a GIANT spider in the sink. Now this happens every few months, and it seems to always be in the sink. Then after a few days, they vanish off somewhere (though it is slightly likely that my parents remove it, though not greatly). Now, is there a chance that the spider is coming up from the drain? As is that possible? (considering the sink hole is a lot smaller than the spider. But the spiders are quite thin, so I guess they could be flexible?). Or do they come from somewhere else? Also, is there a way to stop them from arriving?

    Also, in regards to the original question. A few years ago, I was on holiday in Thailand. There was a small lizard, and a boy picked it up. All of a sudden the lizard jumped and left in the boys hand was the tail of the Lizard (as they use it to defend). Now for the next minute or so the tail was still moving. So could it just be down to muscle spasms of the dead bug?
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