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    There are some reports that some chemical substances could change sexual orientation in some animals.
    ScienceShot: Pollutant Changes Sexual Preference | Science | AAAS
    Something in the Water Is Feminizing Male Fish. Are We Next? (popsci.com)
    Could some people become victims of such pollutants? If many of them, could there be some intentional plot behind it?
    The percentage of millennials who identify as LGBT expanded from 7.3% to 8.1% from 2016 to 2017, and is up from 5.8% in 2012. By contrast, the LGBT percentage in Generation X (those born from 1965 to 1979) was up only .2% from 2016 to 2017.
    In U.S., Estimate of LGBT Population Rises to 4.5% (gallup.com)

    Contraceptive pills and cleaning products that are flushed down the toilet are turning one in five male river fish transgender
    Chemicals flushed down drains are turning fish transgender | Daily Mail Online

    Very strange and suspicious household products indeed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    There are some reports that some chemical substances could change sexual orientation in some animals.
    ScienceShot: Pollutant Changes Sexual Preference | Science | AAAS
    Something in the Water Is Feminizing Male Fish. Are We Next? (popsci.com)
    Could some people become victims of such pollutants? If many of them, could there be some intentional plot behind it?
    The percentage of millennials who identify as LGBT expanded from 7.3% to 8.1% from 2016 to 2017, and is up from 5.8% in 2012. By contrast, the LGBT percentage in Generation X (those born from 1965 to 1979) was up only .2% from 2016 to 2017.
    In U.S., Estimate of LGBT Population Rises to 4.5% (gallup.com)

    Contraceptive pills and cleaning products that are flushed down the toilet are turning one in five male river fish transgender
    Chemicals flushed down drains are turning fish transgender | Daily Mail Online

    Very strange and suspicious household products indeed.
    "Gender-bending" substances, more properly endocrine disruptors or oestrogen mimics, have been known about for decades and some are now fairly strictly controlled. We used to use a small amount of nonylphenol ethoxylate in some engine lubricants, but had to stop as it got banned due to its previous use in water-based detergents which indeed did get flushed down drains, (unlike industrial engine lubricants). Phthalates are now also implicated and are being phased out.

    So far as I know there is no evidence that these substances lead to homosexual orientation, though I suppose that can't be ruled out. What is for sure is that it is becoming more socially acceptable to admit to homosexual impulses. So simply comparing rates of LGBT identification over time proves nothing whatsoever about the role, if any, of environmental chemicals.


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    What is for sure is that it is becoming more socially acceptable to admit to homosexual impulses.
    Are you ready to believe that 8.1% of population are inborn homosexuals/bisexuals and they just were hiding during the last decades and centuries? That would be astonishing. Also I'm not sure that parental/family/old friends acceptance of open LGBT impulses is changing as fast as an official acceptance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
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    What is for sure is that it is becoming more socially acceptable to admit to homosexual impulses.
    Are you ready to believe that 8.1% of population are inborn homosexuals/bisexuals and they just were hiding during the last decades and centuries? That would be astonishing. Also I'm not sure that parental/family/old friends acceptance of open LGBT impulses is changing as fast as an official acceptance.
    Well then you're out of touch. I can tell you from personal experience of the attitudes at my son's school, that the new generation is far more accepting of LGBT than the previous one. For them it simply is not an issue - though naturally they are quite firm about their own personal orientations.
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    There are different surveys which claim different results.
    Based on the 2013 NHIS data [collected in 2013 from 34,557 adults aged 18 and over], 96.6% of adults identified as straight, 1.6% identified as gay or lesbian, and 0.7% identified as bisexual. The remaining 1.1% of adults identified as “something else[]" [0.2%,] stated “I don’t know the answer[]" [0.4%] or refused to provide an answer [0.6%].
    What percentage of the U.S. population is gay, lesbian or bisexual? - The Washington Post

    But if we assume the correct number of non-straight people is 8-10% as some surveys claim, isn't it suspiciously high number? What is prevalence of non-straight species among different mammals?
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    I would suggest looking at bonobos for you last questions
    . they are some of the closest primates to humans and highly sexually fluid.

    I also agree with mathman in regards to your disbelief that humans could have a 10-15% homosexual rate. The high prudery and outright violence and hate towards the lgbtqia+ community in just the past 100 years should make it very clear why we would hide who we are from heteronormative society in which LAWS made our very existence illegal and ground for institutionalization, chemical castration, and death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    There are different surveys which claim different results.
    What percentage of the U.S. population is gay, lesbian or bisexual? - The Washington Post

    But if we assume the correct number of non-straight people is 8-10% as some surveys claim, isn't it suspiciously high number? What is prevalence of non-straight species among different mammals?
    Surveys under suspicion is nothing new, proceed with caution. What most everybody is missing is that the 10% is made up of people. I’m of the 90% and realize I seem to have more rights than that 10%. Once I recognized that it’s all about fairness and equality then I didn’t have to fret about the sex habits of the animal kingdom.

    Nature is funny that way in that I think having differences is important for species survival. However it also means people who hate differences amongst our species are also part of the fabric. In the end neither of them may matter or one or both will. You can legislate it to death but these elements will always be there to some degree IMHO.

    Watch children, they don’t care about differences and I wish that carried over to adulthood. It tells me that perhaps we’re not born with the hate for those who are different but it’s a societal issue. Then religion (God?) calls sex between two gay individuals an abomination. I’ll leave it at that.
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    Much work has been done to establish the cause(s) of homosexual tendencies.

    Many believe it results, in most cases, from the impact of prenatal hormones during fetal development. Genetic factors may also play a primary role. Some other factors have been suggested, but the prenatal cause appears to be the major driver of sexual orientation.

    "Prenatal hormones and sexual orientation"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenat...al_orientation
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    If homosexuality is only a recent thing, why the biblical and other historic prohibitions?

    More a question of what was so important about stopping homosexuality. It is clearly not a matter of inability to have children - lots of people attracted to the same sex are capable of having hetero sex; a whole range of triggers exist for arousal that are both innate and learned. Which I suspect is a consequence of a strong sex drive that is not clearly targeted - because there are no clear indicators of fertile period to target. But it may well be that allowing the free choice will see less committing to relationships that will be "productive" - which may not be such a bad thing now, when population is very high and reduced birthrates look desirable.

    I wonder if it is more about social systems arising that want high birth rates and require clear lines of paternity for social status and inheritance reasons and homosexuality is a kind of collateral target when it is procreation outside of marriage that really matters. Was it seen as reducing their desire for "productive" sex with their proper spouse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Fabos View Post
    If homosexuality is only a recent thing, why the biblical and other historic prohibitions?

    More a question of what was so important about stopping homosexuality. It is clearly not a matter of inability to have children - lots of people attracted to the same sex are capable of having hetero sex; a whole range of triggers exist for arousal that are both innate and learned. Which I suspect is a consequence of a strong sex drive that is not clearly targeted - because there are no clear indicators of fertile period to target. But it may well be that allowing the free choice will see less committing to relationships that will be "productive" - which may not be such a bad thing now, when population is very high and reduced birthrates look desirable.

    I wonder if it is more about social systems arising that want high birth rates and require clear lines of paternity for social status and inheritance reasons and homosexuality is a kind of collateral target when it is procreation outside of marriage that really matters. Was it seen as reducing their desire for "productive" sex with their proper spouse?
    I suspect the explanation is far simpler. For many (most?) people with a firm sexual orientation, the idea of sexual congress with the sex they are not attracted to seems rather repulsive. I myself find the notion of sex between two men personally distasteful. That's just because I'm a man attracted to women. Given that homosexual attraction is in a minority, it is not very surprising that in some societies, those with this minority trait would have been seen as suspect.

    Those that are "different" often become the object of disapproval, whether it be skin colour, politics, religion, sexual orientation, or anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post

    Those that are "different" often become the object of disapproval, whether it be skin colour, politics, religion, sexual orientation, or anything else.
    They also serve a very useful function of ready made scapegoats when some chancer wants to draw a crowd./weeps
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    I think there's one aspect of homosexuality that may redefine gay. That's the genuine love someone has for another person regardless of gender. Not talking love between family members, teammates, associates etc but honest to goodness true emotionally charged, hormonally induced, etc love. Quite possible that acts of sex between same gender individuals is secondary to pure love... JMO. Perhaps it cements the feelings...idk. I have not experienced it but doesn't mean someone else hasn't. So does one acquire this kind of love? Probably almost certainly, again JMO.

    So is it love between two people or love of sex between same gender couples that labels one gay? Watched my niece marry another woman and the one thing that struck me most was the feeling I had that these two truly loved one another, not an observation I've ever had before or since.

    Now all these new alternative lifestyle labels makes it seem a little confusing, for me anyways. Some scenarios may no longer fit the gay definition. For example: a biological male who declares him/herself a woman(no surgery), has normal male/female sex relations with a biological woman with both experiencing true love for one another...is this gay? I'm just downplaying the actual sex act with that, trying to make it less important than true love between people. My two cents.
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    Are there some proves or arguments that there is no covert plot to increase amount of homosexuals using some chemical substances as well as physical or biological manipulations? This is all I'm concerned about.
    I also agree with mathman in regards to your disbelief that humans could have a 10-15% homosexual rate. The high prudery and outright violence and hate towards the lgbtqia+ community in just the past 100 years should make it very clear why we would hide who we are from heteronormative society

    I thought there were no severe official punishment for this in the last few senturies in majority of European countries. What prevented LGBT to form squads and stay together to protect from occusional violence. Strange but no writers or researchers in the past centuries even suspected there are so many gays in society. It would be difficult to hide so deeply...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    Are there some proves or arguments that there is no covert plot to increase amount of homosexuals using some chemical substances as well as physical or biological manipulations? This is all I'm concerned about.
    I also agree with mathman in regards to your disbelief that humans could have a 10-15% homosexual rate. The high prudery and outright violence and hate towards the lgbtqia+ community in just the past 100 years should make it very clear why we would hide who we are from heteronormative society

    I thought there were no severe official punishment for this in the last few senturies in majority of European countries. What prevented LGBT to form squads and stay together to protect from occusional violence. Strange but no writers or researchers in the past centuries even suspected there are so many gays in society. It would be difficult to hide so deeply...
    Are you perhaps suggesting LBGTs should gather in ghettos to protect themselves or feel comfortable?
    Forming self defence squads would invite counter violence and it is the duty of society at large to protect its members from unjustified attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    Are there some proves or arguments that there is no covert plot to increase amount of homosexuals using some chemical substances as well as physical or biological manipulations? This is all I'm concerned about.
    I also agree with mathman in regards to your disbelief that humans could have a 10-15% homosexual rate. The high prudery and outright violence and hate towards the lgbtqia+ community in just the past 100 years should make it very clear why we would hide who we are from heteronormative society

    I thought there were no severe official punishment for this in the last few senturies in majority of European countries. What prevented LGBT to form squads and stay together to protect from occusional violence. Strange but no writers or researchers in the past centuries even suspected there are so many gays in society. It would be difficult to hide so deeply...
    Proving the absence of a conspiracy theory is nearly always impossible, however daft the conspiracy theory may be. However it generally pays to apply Ockham's Razor when seeking explanations.

    History is absolutely full of homosexuality by the way, from Oscar Wilde back to Edward II, Richard Coeur de Lion (probably) and the ancient Greeks, so there is abundant evidence there is nothing new about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
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    If homosexuality is only a recent thing, why the biblical and other historic prohibitions?

    More a question of what was so important about stopping homosexuality. It is clearly not a matter of inability to have children - lots of people attracted to the same sex are capable of having hetero sex; a whole range of triggers exist for arousal that are both innate and learned. Which I suspect is a consequence of a strong sex drive that is not clearly targeted - because there are no clear indicators of fertile period to target. But it may well be that allowing the free choice will see less committing to relationships that will be "productive" - which may not be such a bad thing now, when population is very high and reduced birthrates look desirable.

    I wonder if it is more about social systems arising that want high birth rates and require clear lines of paternity for social status and inheritance reasons and homosexuality is a kind of collateral target when it is procreation outside of marriage that really matters. Was it seen as reducing their desire for "productive" sex with their proper spouse?
    I suspect the explanation is far simpler. For many (most?) people with a firm sexual orientation, the idea of sexual congress with the sex they are not attracted to seems rather repulsive. I myself find the notion of sex between two men personally distasteful. That's just because I'm a man attracted to women. Given that homosexual attraction is in a minority, it is not very surprising that in some societies, those with this minority trait would have been seen as suspect.

    Those that are "different" often become the object of disapproval, whether it be skin colour, politics, religion, sexual orientation, or anything else.
    I don't agree. Whilst there may always be some element of that I think we are seeing new generations for whom displays of affection between same sex couples appears normal - most don't find it repulsive even if it isn't their thing.

    I used to find the French men cheek "kissing" other men in greeting (which seems to be less common popular now) disturbing to my (learned) Australian sensibilities. I would have found visiting countries like India where it is common for men to hold hands with male friends disturbing. I don't think I would find those confronting now - having had a couple of decade where seeing such things are not outside my experience.

    I think for a lot of people the revulsion is learned, not innate and repeated exposure overcomes that reaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Fabos View Post
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    If homosexuality is only a recent thing, why the biblical and other historic prohibitions?

    More a question of what was so important about stopping homosexuality. It is clearly not a matter of inability to have children - lots of people attracted to the same sex are capable of having hetero sex; a whole range of triggers exist for arousal that are both innate and learned. Which I suspect is a consequence of a strong sex drive that is not clearly targeted - because there are no clear indicators of fertile period to target. But it may well be that allowing the free choice will see less committing to relationships that will be "productive" - which may not be such a bad thing now, when population is very high and reduced birthrates look desirable.

    I wonder if it is more about social systems arising that want high birth rates and require clear lines of paternity for social status and inheritance reasons and homosexuality is a kind of collateral target when it is procreation outside of marriage that really matters. Was it seen as reducing their desire for "productive" sex with their proper spouse?
    I suspect the explanation is far simpler. For many (most?) people with a firm sexual orientation, the idea of sexual congress with the sex they are not attracted to seems rather repulsive. I myself find the notion of sex between two men personally distasteful. That's just because I'm a man attracted to women. Given that homosexual attraction is in a minority, it is not very surprising that in some societies, those with this minority trait would have been seen as suspect.

    Those that are "different" often become the object of disapproval, whether it be skin colour, politics, religion, sexual orientation, or anything else.
    I don't agree. Whilst there may always be some element of that I think we are seeing new generations for whom displays of affection between same sex couples appears normal - most don't find it repulsive even if it isn't their thing.

    I used to find the French men cheek "kissing" other men in greeting (which seems to be less common popular now) disturbing to my (learned) Australian sensibilities. I would have found visiting countries like India where it is common for men to hold hands with male friends disturbing. I don't think I would find those confronting now - having had a couple of decade where seeing such things are not outside my experience.

    I think for a lot of people the revulsion is learned, not innate and repeated exposure overcomes that reaction.
    I have got used to both men holding hands (when I was in the Middle East for some years) and to men greeting one another - including me - with a kiss (having married into a French family). But the whole point is that neither gesture is sexual.
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    I have got used to both men holding hands (when I was in the Middle East for some years) and to men greeting one another - including me - with a kiss (having married into a French family). But the whole point is that neither gesture is sexual.
    Like anything else it’s a minority of folks who can ruin it for others and establish stereotypes.

    Twice I’ve been hit upon by a male for dating purposes and I politely told the guys to buzz off but it had me wondering what made me attractive to them.

    At local gym I had a man compliment my naked rear end plus another individual who wanted to observe my privates when I was attempting to do business at the urinal. Another asked me for sex while I was in hot tub. Perhaps we associate being gay with perversion. Must be some kind of connection between both I figure, as with all preferences, but I’m no expert. Again made me wonder what message my body is sending to warrant this kind of attention. At least I didn’t haul off and punch my admirer, just told them to mind their own business.

    I don’t know how much that differs from a male wolf whistling towards a woman or vice versa. Some actions are inappropriate to some and not to others. I understand the desire to be with someone you’re attracted to, got to start somewhere I suppose.
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    I have got used to both men holding hands (when I was in the Middle East for some years) and to men greeting one another - including me - with a kiss (having married into a French family). But the whole point is that neither gesture is sexual.
    Like anything else it’s a minority of folks who can ruin it for others and establish stereotypes.

    Twice I’ve been hit upon by a male for dating purposes and I politely told the guys to buzz off but it had me wondering what made me attractive to them.

    At local gym I had a man compliment my naked rear end plus another individual who wanted to observe my privates when I was attempting to do business at the urinal. Another asked me for sex while I was in hot tub. Perhaps we associate being gay with perversion. Must be some kind of connection between both I figure, as with all preferences, but I’m no expert. Again made me wonder what message my body is sending to warrant this kind of attention. At least I didn’t haul off and punch my admirer, just told them to mind their own business.

    I don’t know how much that differs from a male wolf whistling towards a woman or vice versa. Some actions are inappropriate to some and not to others. I understand the desire to be with someone you’re attracted to, got to start somewhere I suppose.
    Being propositioned is quite common
    I have been propositioned whilst hitch hiking but my ex girlfriend was left in a field in the middle of the night for refusing the man's advances (going against my advice to her not to say no in those circumstances)

    I also tried to similsrly reason with one of my propositioners in a car and was met with a blank expression

    The first time it happened when I was 18 I just got out of the car.

    At first I couldn't understand how it was possible that a man was interested in that but eventually I came to trust my initial instincts(if that is how it feels that is probably what is happening)

    When I went to the USA the only job I could get was delivering gay magazines to shops around the town ,(it was San Francisco) but it became too uncomfortable after a few days!!
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    Somewhere along the line did I acquire an aversion to male/male relationships? I don't remember learning or being told it. I try and keep it to myself. My response was never "Sorry, I'm not gay", more like "you're wasting your time". Makes me wonder if even the most tolerating of men/women have the aversion, just don't display it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Somewhere along the line did I acquire an aversion to male/male relationships? I don't remember learning or being told it. I try and keep it to myself. My response was never "Sorry, I'm not gay", more like "you're wasting your time". Makes me wonder if even the most tolerating of men/women have the aversion, just don't display it.
    Is it not just like adherence to any social norms ,only much more direct and physical?

    Don't we all look out for people who resemble ourselves and draw comfort and reassurance from that?

    We thus define the "other" who is an implicit threat to our "virtual tribe"
    I remember the shock when I informed my mother that we were middle class and for her to reply that we were working class...

    If homosexuality was the norm we would all get with the game pretty quickly apart from the hard headed recalcitrants.
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    Does religion still cling to the notion of same sex abomination? They still execute people in some countries for being gay if I remember correctly. Not religious so I don’t keep up with that. A friend of mine joined a church way back and before you know it he was preaching the abomination message. He ended up having 3 kids, two of which are gay and estranged from him. I rarely see the guy anymore so don’t know if he’s had a change of heart. If you can’t love your kid because they’re gay then you’ve got bigger problems. If your country or religion can’t either then what?

    No group of people is immune from public opinion. Always going to be disagreements. Homosexuality not really part of my life for the most part so I’m not focused on it. Just trying to put comments in this thread is difficult and I hope I’m choosing the right words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    If you can’t love your kid because they’re gay then you’ve got bigger problems. If your country or religion can’t either then what?
    Do parents always love their children?

    Sometimes it seems like it is through gritted teeth and it may be mediated through a desire that they should see themselves in their offspring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
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    If you can’t love your kid because they’re gay then you’ve got bigger problems. If your country or religion can’t either then what?
    Do parents always love their children?

    Sometimes it seems like it is through gritted teeth and it may be mediated through a desire that they should see themselves in their offspring.
    Not a fan of JC but could you cast the first rock if it was your kid being stoned by your country and religion? Probably one or two crazies maybe and a real test of loyalties I imagine.

    When my niece married a woman, her father went into some kind of guilt trip and began fasting. Had to seek professional help and it worked, he’s ok with it now. There’s even a couple grandkids for him now. Don’t think he didn’t love his daughter, he just blamed himself for her preference…JMO.

    Something not many think of, the collateral* psychological damage to those parents who have to suddenly accept what to them was once unthinkable or an abomination of some sort. Who gets blamed for that?

    * not sure if right word. Was thinking that the gay child might also experience psychological trauma just trying to live in that house
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    I would suggest looking at bonobos for you last questions
    . they are some of the closest primates to humans and highly sexually fluid.
    In my understanding many kinds of animals have sexual rituals which are designed as a social stress relief. They immitate intercourse to make frendship withing a pack stronger. But this is not a life long preferences like a true homosexuality assumes. Just an immitation and situative behavor.
    The subordinate female individuals lick the clitoris of a higher-ranked female as a clear sign of submission and obedience.
    TIL that the female spotted hyena has the largest clitoris of all the mammals, which is referred to as a 'pseudo-penis'. : todayilearned (reddit.com)
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    I would suggest looking at bonobos for you last questions
    . they are some of the closest primates to humans and highly sexually fluid.
    In my understanding many kinds of animals have sexual rituals which are designed as a social stress relief. They immitate intercourse to make frendship withing a pack stronger. But this is not a life long preferences like a true homosexuality assumes. Just an immitation and situative behavor.
    The subordinate female individuals lick the clitoris of a higher-ranked female as a clear sign of submission and obedience.
    TIL that the female spotted hyena has the largest clitoris of all the mammals, which is referred to as a 'pseudo-penis'. : todayilearned (reddit.com)
    What is your "understanding" derived from?
    That is hyenas, not bonobos (or dolphins)

    I find your assertion that gays should "form packs for protection" rather disturbing on several levels, and I notice you are ignoring all the the documented history from the pre-greek times to now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    That is hyenas, not bonobos (or dolphins)
    For now the scientists seem to have only hypothesis about the reasons of their behavour. One of the hypothesis:
    As bonobos occasionally copulate face-to-face, "evolutionary biologist Marlene Zuk has suggested that the position of the clitoris in bonobos and some other primates has evolved to maximize stimulation during sexual intercourse".[80] The position of the clitoris may alternatively permit GG-rubbings, which has been hypothesized to function as a means for female bonobos to evaluate their intrasocial relationships.
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    Its STILL homosexual interactions. That sex is a social standing concept is well known and documented, in human culture and out. That many species interact in a non-heterosexual manner is also well documented. Thus your assertions that humans ARENT prone to same sex relation UNLESS something artificial forces it is rather ridiculous. The claim you are going on that 10% is too high to be natural has no basis in fact.
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    The claim you are going on that 10% is too high to be natural has no basis in fact.
    I don't remember I would make claims of that kind. There is a difference between claims and questions.
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    The underlying implicit statement you make in your first posts is exactly that. That there is not a natural way 10% of the human population is lgbt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    The underlying implicit statement you make in your first posts is exactly that. That there is not a natural way 10% of the human population is lgbt
    Even if 10% are natural, the rest 0.? % of chemical mutants could be a reason for concern.
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    They are a cause for concern of course,(and exchemist has told us those concerns are being addressed ) ,but your suspicions of an intentional plot seem ludicrous .Do you really harbour such suspicions and how did you come up with this wacky idea?

    Is it just that you cannot accept the estimates of homosexuals as a percentage of the population which leads you to adopt this strange conspiracy theory or did someone whisper this to you on the bus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    how did you come up with this wacky idea?
    One of the articles to which I provided the link mentioned that:
    Even scarier, the culprit is still unknown. The prime suspect? Our toilets. Previous research indicates that wastewater treatment plants flush endocrine-disruptive compounds (EDCs), including pharmaceuticals, pesticides and hormones, into rivers.
    I think it's strange that presense of sex-changing chemicals in canalisation is so high that even animals in wildlife mutate actively. Also I have a question: does inborn sexual orientation suppose never change in adult people?
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    The "wacky idea" I queried is where you asked in the OP "If many of them, could there be some intentional plot behind it?"

    Have you any reason to wonder that? Is that being discussed elsewhere or is the idea all yours?
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