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    Dear colleagues
    Are you interested in the history and philosophy of genetics?If so,I would like to exchange views with you about revisiting some terms and issues in this revolutionary field .The title of my series of comments is...
    Revisiting Genetics:Out of the "books",not just the box.
    I have to mention that I had negative experience in other forum
    As it was not interesting to explain self-explainable issues.It was difficult to proceed.I hope that your forum will be more appropriate for the suggested topic.I asked the admin to move here.Thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shawky View Post
    Dear colleagues
    Are you interested in the history and philosophy of genetics?If so,I would like to exchange views with you about revisiting some terms and issues in this revolutionary field .The title of my series of comments is...
    Revisiting Genetics:Out of the "books",not just the box.
    I have to mention that I had negative experience in other forum
    As it was not interesting to explain self-explainable issues.It was difficult to proceed.I hope that your forum will be more appropriate for the suggested topic.I asked the admin to move here.Thanks.
    Yes, I am always interested in the history and philosophy of science and I know very little about the development of genetics. However I hope you will be explaining the points you make, as your previous postings here did not do this and therefore attracted some negative comment. Over to you.......


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    Thanks for your response.Sure I will try.But is it right to refuse any information without trying to make even simple search?
    In some comments ,the first known records of the terms heredity and genetic were refused.Consulting dictionaries,who h is the most common thing to do,we can find that the first known records were1540 and 1750,respectively.I also think that most comments were too sarcastic to be in a serious discussion,at least from my point of view.Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shawky View Post
    Thanks for your response.Sure I will try.But is it right to refuse any information without trying to make even simple search?
    In some comments ,the first known records of the terms heredity and genetic were refused.Consulting dictionaries,who h is the most common thing to do,we can find that the first known records were1540 and 1750,respectively.
    And yet you failed to provide any links to those dictionaries.
    As was pointed out: the use of those words (actually, so far as I remember it was heredity1) that was disputed) was in a non-biological sense.


    I also think that most comments were too sarcastic to be in a serious discussion,at least from my point of view.Thanks again.
    Sarcasm wasn't involved: it was your unsupported claims being disputed/ queried.

    1 The other one disputed (and lacking any supporting evidence whatsoever from you) was the claim that the adverb "genetically" predates the word "genetic".
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    Heredity: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heredity
    "First known use 1540"

    Genetic: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genetic
    "First known use 1750"
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    heredity
    1530s, "inheritance, succession," from Middle French hérédité, from Old French eredite "inheritance, legacy" (12c.), from Latin hereditatem (nominative hereditas) "heirship, inheritance, an inheritance, condition of being an heir," from heres (genitive heredis) "heir, heiress," from PIE root *ghe- "to be empty, left behind" (source also of Greek khera "widow"). Legal sense of "inheritable quality or character" first recorded 1784; the modern biological sense "transmission of qualities from parents to offspring" seems to be found first in 1863, introduced by Herbert Spencer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shawky View Post
    Thanks for your response.Sure I will try.But is it right to refuse any information without trying to make even simple search?
    In some comments ,the first known records of the terms heredity and genetic were refused.Consulting dictionaries,who h is the most common thing to do,we can find that the first known records were1540 and 1750,respectively.I also think that most comments were too sarcastic to be in a serious discussion,at least from my point of view.Thanks again.
    This is a strange response from you. If you want a discussion, you have to give the rest of us something to discuss, obviously. It is not up to us readers to go off and make searches in order to work out what you want to convey to us. People are busy and they won't do that. Instead they will get annoyed by someone jerking them around.

    What it is you want to tell us, or ask us, about the history and philosophy of genetics? You say you would like to revisit some terms. OK, but why, and what does this have to do with the history or philosophy of genetics? I would not have expected a discussion about the history and philosophy to start with reviewing terms, so I am intrigued. What is the reason?
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    Ahmed...you made a mistake. As a word (adverb), genetically cannot predate the word genetic. This was your claim in the earlier thread, as Dywyddyr has pointed out in Post #4. Not sure if you realize that. Simplest thing for you to do is admit that you made an error. How hard is it? If you hope to (re?)gain a measure of respect then I suggest you do it sooner than later. Otherwise we, and possibly your colleagues already have, start to wonder whether or not you're some kind of incredulous imprudent cantankerous old fool who isn't worth the time and effort to argue with.
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    No one invents dates,I read it in a search .believe that or not.But it was a mistake to be in a virtually open and actually closed forum.No more replies,I am busy waching"My name is Khan"'Enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shawky View Post
    No one invents dates,I read it in a search .believe that or not.But it was a mistake to be in a virtually open and actually closed forum.No more replies,I am busy waching"My name is Khan"'Enough.
    Suit yourself. If you offer nothing to discuss when you start a thread, you will get a wide range of responses, some of which may be flippant. You seem to have no idea of how to discuss anything. Yet you claim to be a professor. I am afraid I don't believe you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shawky View Post
    No one invents dates,I read it in a search .believe that or not.But it was a mistake to be in a virtually open and actually closed forum.No more replies,I am busy waching"My name is Khan"'Enough.
    what search did you find that date with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shawky View Post
    No one invents dates,I read it in a search .believe that or not.But it was a mistake to be in a virtually open and actually closed forum.No more replies,I am busy waching"My name is Khan"'Enough.
    You don't have to search dates to know that genetic preceded genetically.

    Poor Ahmed, a victim of his own intelligence.
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