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    I've been reading recently about how real virtual reality can get and I was wondering imagine virtual reality flotation tanks that you could pre program and live the life you wanted to live and be the person you wanted to be. I have heard that this can and even will happen Could you pre-program and choose things like sexuality, appearance, etc ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by newuser View Post
    I've been reading recently about how real virtual reality can get and I was wondering imagine virtual reality flotation tanks that you could pre program and live the life you wanted to live and be the person you wanted to be. I have heard that this can and even will happen Could you pre-program and choose things like sexuality, appearance, etc ?
    What makes you think this is biology? Perhaps it belongs with computing.

    Anyway, it sounds like nonsense to me, I must say. And I certainly hope it is.


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    Actually, it does have some biological aspects. I sometimes question how good virtual reality really is or could be. It seems to work, but one could argue that it works as long as our brains are programed and constantly reinforced by actual reality. Virtual reality plays off certain cues or key elements that are similar to actual reality, but no brain has ever been exposed to just virtual reality for any long period of time. There might be more missing than we think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DianeG View Post
    Actually, it does have some biological aspects. I sometimes question how good virtual reality really is or could be. It seems to work, but one could argue that it works as long as our brains are programed and constantly reinforced by actual reality. Virtual reality plays off certain cues or key elements that are similar to actual reality, but no brain has ever been exposed to just virtual reality for any long period of time. There might be more missing than we think.
    Well yes, I suppose so, but isn't that a bit tautologous? I mean, when we say "reality" we mean the real world, don't we? So doesn't the term "virtual reality" imply a imaginary copy of the real world - or aspects of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by newuser View Post
    I've been reading recently about how real virtual reality can get and I was wondering imagine virtual reality flotation tanks that you could pre program and live the life you wanted to live and be the person you wanted to be. I have heard that this can and even will happen Could you pre-program and choose things like sexuality, appearance, etc ?

    You'd still need to eat, exercise, see dentists and doctors, go to the bathroom and many other things that in virtual reality you could never do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DianeG View Post
    Actually, it does have some biological aspects. I sometimes question how good virtual reality really is or could be. It seems to work, but one could argue that it works as long as our brains are programed and constantly reinforced by actual reality. Virtual reality plays off certain cues or key elements that are similar to actual reality, but no brain has ever been exposed to just virtual reality for any long period of time. There might be more missing than we think.
    Well could you change specific things about yourself. And do we have any idea of what would happen if a brain was in VR for a long amount of time ??
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    You should see that movie from Bruce Willis "Surrogates". Itīs about what you are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M_Gabriela View Post
    You should see that movie from Bruce Willis "Surrogates". Itīs about what you are talking about.
    Well... My idea was different I mean like a flotation tank and your body being asleep but you wake up and live in the VR
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    Appearance is not determined by the brain, so you could change how you appeared in the virtual reality, but you can't change sexuality or temperament, as these are largely biologically influenced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newuser View Post
    Well... My idea was different I mean like a flotation tank and your body being asleep but you wake up and live in the VR
    yes like curiosity said appearance and alsexuality can be changed since the brain would accept it as long as it believes it to be TRUE.
    Also your idea of living in a flotation tank has been illustrated in movies and mangas a lot, though it has not been practiced it is possible.
    But sustaining life this way will come with heavy side effects that are obvious. VR is still in development stages so what U say might be the way of living in a possible future. Lot of progress in this field is required.
    I personally feel you can still live the life U want to in the real world. try to balance both worlds so U don't miss out yourself
    Please correct me if i misunderstood anything U said or if i was mistaken about something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aakurii View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by newuser View Post
    Well... My idea was different I mean like a flotation tank and your body being asleep but you wake up and live in the VR
    yes like curiosity said appearance and alsexuality can be changed since the brain would accept it as long as it believes it to be TRUE.
    Also your idea of living in a flotation tank has been illustrated in movies and mangas a lot, though it has not been practiced it is possible.
    But sustaining life this way will come with heavy side effects that are obvious. VR is still in development stages so what U say might be the way of living in a possible future. Lot of progress in this field is required.
    I personally feel you can still live the life U want to in the real world. try to balance both worlds so U don't miss out yourself
    Please correct me if i misunderstood anything U said or if i was mistaken about something.
    Your body is a vessel, and you can exchange this body with another one just like that, problem is that your brain needs similar stimuli, because otherwise it will degrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post

    Your body is a vessel, and you can exchange this body with another one just like that, problem is that your brain needs similar stimuli, because otherwise it will degrade.
    im sorry but I don't understand why you quoted me, nor do I understand what u ment by the brain needing stimuli. Stimuli for what? I hope you know we are talking about VR and a virtual body.
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    Yeh, I assumed for sake of hypotheticals, that the electrical signals being sent by the VR would match normal sensory neurons. Of course, to get that, I think you'd have to know the exact firing pattern of a person's sensory neurons in response to environmental stimuli, to be able to replicate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aakurii View Post
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    Well... My idea was different I mean like a flotation tank and your body being asleep but you wake up and live in the VR
    yes like curiosity said appearance and alsexuality can be changed since the brain would accept it as long as it believes it to be TRUE.
    Also your idea of living in a flotation tank has been illustrated in movies and mangas a lot, though it has not been practiced it is possible.
    But sustaining life this way will come with heavy side effects that are obvious. VR is still in development stages so what U say might be the way of living in a possible future. Lot of progress in this field is required.
    I personally feel you can still live the life U want to in the real world. try to balance both worlds so U don't miss out yourself
    Please correct me if i misunderstood anything U said or if i was mistaken about something.
    So sexuality could be changed ? I just simply wanted to know what could be possible in VR
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    No no, I said it couldn't be changed by living in a VR, as sexuality is largely biologically determined.
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    Yeah curiosity is right sorry if you misunderstood me. Gender can be changed in the virtual world but when you come back to reality nothing changes. Coz virtual is virtual and reality is reality if you want to change genders in the real world there appears to be a special surgeory that enables you to do so.but I think it would be rather inconvenient and would also cost too much. The side effects and after effects would strangely affect your life though :\ :P
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    If you die in virtual reality are you really dead or only virtually dead?
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    Think of virtual reality as just like a game would you really die if you die in a game?
    Maybe if you are a anime character from SAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by aakurii View Post
    Yeah curiosity is right sorry if you misunderstood me. Gender can be changed in the virtual world but when you come back to reality nothing changes. Coz virtual is virtual and reality is reality if you want to change genders in the real world there appears to be a special surgeory that enables you to do so.but I think it would be rather inconvenient and would also cost too much. The side effects and after effects would strangely affect your life though :\ :P
    Yeah what I mean is say if you changed your sexuality and or gender in the virtual reality. In VR would you be that sexuality or gender that you aren't in real life
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    VR in earlier times was known as TV. It amounts to the same thing. Why spend your life indoors passively dreaming when you could be out doing something...anything!

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    I hate to say this, and I don't want him to be banned or removed or anything. But his making too many threads about this. This is not really science..There is other subforums to discuss this.


    There is another subforum for ideas and personal theories I believe.. So please..
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
    If you die in virtual reality are you really dead or only virtually dead?
    You are not dead at all; it's just 'game over'. However, if you live in virtual reality you are not really alive - only virtually alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
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    Actually, it does have some biological aspects. I sometimes question how good virtual reality really is or could be. It seems to work, but one could argue that it works as long as our brains are programed and constantly reinforced by actual reality. Virtual reality plays off certain cues or key elements that are similar to actual reality, but no brain has ever been exposed to just virtual reality for any long period of time. There might be more missing than we think.
    Well yes, I suppose so, but isn't that a bit tautologous? I mean, when we say "reality" we mean the real world, don't we? So doesn't the term "virtual reality" imply a imaginary copy of the real world - or aspects of it?
    I don't think it is tautologous. It isn't the "realness" I'm referring to, as much as whether virtual reality is deficient in the type or amount of stimuli it actually includes, but our brains don't notice it. We fill in the gaps using information that is already in our memory to create a world that "close enough" to reality. But if we did not have this rich, prior experience as well as constant reinforcement, our virtual reality experience might be much more impoverished. With virtual reality alone, we might not be able to develop certain skills or reactions or perceptive abilities that are dependent on integrated experience of thousands of different elements - light, movement, gravity, friction, resistance, temperature, texture, air currents, humidity, pressure, vibrations, density, noise, - a huge number of relevant details, as well as an even larger number of irrelevant and random distractions that are probably not included in a virtual reality experience, but exist in reality. A brain that was exposed only to virtual reality or primarily to virtual reality might have trouble screening out or ignoring irrelevant stimuli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DianeG View Post
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    Actually, it does have some biological aspects. I sometimes question how good virtual reality really is or could be. It seems to work, but one could argue that it works as long as our brains are programed and constantly reinforced by actual reality. Virtual reality plays off certain cues or key elements that are similar to actual reality, but no brain has ever been exposed to just virtual reality for any long period of time. There might be more missing than we think.
    Well yes, I suppose so, but isn't that a bit tautologous? I mean, when we say "reality" we mean the real world, don't we? So doesn't the term "virtual reality" imply a imaginary copy of the real world - or aspects of it?
    I don't think it is tautologous. It isn't the "realness" I'm referring to, as much as whether virtual reality is deficient in the type or amount of stimuli it actually includes, but our brains don't notice it. We fill in the gaps using information that is already in our memory to create a world that "close enough" to reality. But if we did not have this rich, prior experience as well as constant reinforcement, our virtual reality experience might be much more impoverished. With virtual reality alone, we might not be able to develop certain skills or reactions or perceptive abilities that are dependent on integrated experience of thousands of different elements - light, movement, gravity, friction, resistance, temperature, texture, air currents, humidity, pressure, vibrations, density, noise, - a huge number of relevant details, as well as an even larger number of irrelevant and random distractions that are probably not included in a virtual reality experience, but exist in reality. A brain that was exposed only to virtual reality or primarily to virtual reality might have trouble screening out or ignoring irrelevant stimuli.
    Ah, I see what you mean - and good point. You mean that perhaps so-called "virtual reality" actually makes use of the stored processing of physical reality that we already have in our brains? In effect, you seem to be suggesting that virtual reality may rely on a "suspension of disbelief" similar to that which is familiar to us all from reading books or watching a play or a film. We know it's not real but choose to dismiss - at one level - the signals that tell us this, in order to submit to the experience. Furthermore we unconsciously supplement the information from the medium with other bits and pieces that make it more real. For example with books, we make mental images as we read.

    Is that right? If so I think I would agree.
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    This thing about flotation tanks reminds me of an old movie called Altered States. Anyone remember that?


    In this 1980 sci-fi horror film, William Hurt plays Eddie Jessup, a scientist obsessed with discovering mankind's true role in the universe. To this end, he submits himself to a series of mind-expanding experiments. By enclosing himself in a sensory-deprivation chamber and taking hallucinogenic drugs, Jessup hopes to explore different levels of human consciousness, but instead is devolved into an apelike monster. Director Ken Russell helmed Altered States from a script by Paddy Chayefsky, who adapted his own novel of the same name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post

    Ah, I see what you mean - and good point. You mean that perhaps so-called "virtual reality" actually makes use of the stored processing of physical reality that we already have in our brains? In effect, you seem to be suggesting that virtual reality may rely on a "suspension of disbelief" similar to that which is familiar to us all from reading books or watching a play or a film. We know it's not real but choose to dismiss - at one level - the signals that tell us this, in order to submit to the experience. Furthermore we unconsciously supplement the information from the medium with other bits and pieces that make it more real. For example with books, we make mental images as we read.

    Is that right? If so I think I would agree.
    Yes, exactly. Virtual reality may seem more real than novels or films because of its interactiveness, but it may be lacking more than we think, and our brains fill in some many of the gaps with information from prior experience, and as you also point out, suspend disbelief. But I'm not saying it may never become indistinguishable from reality. Maybe the Star Trek Holodeck isn't out of the question.
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