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    Hi, I'm a newbie here, so I apologize if I cross any boundaries.

    I'm a writer over at unknownlist.com, and I'm trying to get into more science topics, like the one below. The website itself doesn't focus on science, but ya, as I said, just trying to get into more science stuff. If you guys would rather I copy/paste the whole article in the forum, please, let me know.

    unknownlist.com/2014/09/fujifilm-is-making-the-next-gen-ebola-cure

    Any feedback is appreciated. I'm really trying to hit the mark with science freaks, so if this article triggered the release of dopamine in your brain, I'd love to hear about why or why not.

    I used to do stuff like this (below), but, eh, there's like not thought in such subjects.

    unknownlist.com/2014/08/there-are-ass-pageants


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    Intriguing.
    What's even more more intriguing is that "No tests of [the drug] have been done on Ebola-infected lab animals or humans".
    So that's, like, a pretty sure thing, isn't it?


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    Hahah. Good insight, but you missed one thing...

    The drug was originally developed to combat the flu. The article you linked goes on to say,

    "Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said Ebola and influenza viruses are the same general type, and a similar response can theoretically be expected from Ebola."


    I'm not sure what kind of trials are required before a drug gets approved for use, but if I was a dying ebola patient, I'd probably go for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fdmendez View Post
    Hahah. Good insight, but you missed one thing...
    Nope, I didn't miss that.
    While it may work, and were I to be dying of ebola I'd very probably give it a go, I do - most definitely - object to the use of the term "Ebola cure" used in the vast majority of reports.
    (And, in fact, out of the half-dozen or so that I looked at only that particular one even bothered to mention that it's almost entirely speculative).
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    I should've brought up the speculative aspect in my writing. That's a good analytical point, and actually some really great commentary that moves the conversation in an interesting direction. But what boggles my mind is, would they really just make such a speculative claim without ANY kind of non-theoretical lead? It seems crazy that a whole NATION (Japan), which is supposed to be a scientific and analytical nation, is announcing that it's about to make a treatment for Ebola. What would be the benefit from that? It's a huge risk that could turn Japan into a joke (kind of, I guess, if anyone is paying attention to this developing story).
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    Quote Originally Posted by fdmendez View Post
    But what boggles my mind is, would they really just make such a speculative claim without ANY kind of non-theoretical lead? It seems crazy that a whole NATION (Japan), which is supposed to be a scientific and analytical nation, is announcing that it's about to make a treatment for Ebola. What would be the benefit from that? It's a huge risk that could turn Japan into a joke (kind of, I guess, if anyone is paying attention to this developing story).
    What you can't tell from any of the articles is how certain are Fujifilm?
    How "hard" are the negotiations with the World Health Organisation? (I.e. is it "We've got something that MAY help if there's no other option" or is "We're shipping 10,000 cases of this drug already"?).
    How much is it being played up in Japan? In the WHO or Fujifilm?

    It all could be a case of someone from Fujifilm saying "there's a possibility that the drug could work and that it's available IF ever required, and, by the way, we're still working on it".
    And then a reporter (not a species known for either strict facts or low-key announcements) decides that, it's a slow day today, we need a big story...
    And others get in on the act (it's a known fact that some news agencies report things almost verbatim that they've garnered from other agencies without checking at all on the origin/ veracity).
    How many copy-cats are needed to make sure the whole gets blown entirely out of proportion?
    If it turns out to be true they got a scoop.
    If it turns out to be wrong... ooh they print a retraction/ apology somewhere at the bottom of page 7 (or just forget about it altogether). It's not like anyone could sue them.
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    Good insight to chew over. Thanks.
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    I hope you get the main point Dywyddr has made: you need to increase your critical thinking by at least an order of magnitude if you wish to write quality articles on science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    I hope you get the main point Dywyddr has made: you need to increase your critical thinking by at least an order of magnitude if you wish to write quality articles on science.
    Ya, this totally makes sense. I like how you put it "by at least an order of magnitude".
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