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  1. #1 Chicken or Egg? 
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    What was there first...chicken or egg?

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    I'm sure this was discussed elsewhere...

    Evolution: egg
    Creation: chicken

    biology wise, the egg came about first. The chicken is a much later species developed WELL AFTER the egg.

    But assuming it was the chicken egg you spoke of, even then, at what point did it become a "chicken" species wise? then you have your answer. However, species wise, the chicken came from an egg.


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    i think the big bang came first
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    Quote Originally Posted by SealOtter
    i think the big bang came first
    touche.
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    But how can this be clear? I mean, there might have been an egg, but not a ckicken egg, but an egg of a preceding species...and then there could be an animal, which laid an egg, but this animal is not yet defined as chicken.

    So...might it have been BOTH?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mastermind
    But how can this be clear? I mean, there might have been an egg, but not a ckicken egg, but an egg of a preceding species...and then there could be an animal, which laid an egg, but this animal is not yet defined as chicken.

    So...might it have been BOTH?
    basically, if you trail back before the egg to a species which first started laying egg-like things, then you have to keep going back until you hit single-celled organisms. so...yeah. it just degrades to "the big bang" and then "I dunno"
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    I think chicken came first... :-D
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    i sitll say the egg since we got eggcells aswell
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    No need to generalize the egg to the first egg from an egg-laying species to say the egg came first.
    The egg from which the first chicken came from was laid by a not-quite-chicken.

    The egg came first.

    The genetic change which culminated in the distinct morphological traits of a chicken occur during reproduction. Evolution does not occur during an animal's lifetime.

    The egg came first.
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    I thought chickens were bred originally from turkeys for farming, presuming thats the case, the egg came first.
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    I think I agree with the egg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mastermind
    I think I agree with the egg.
    Just exactly which one of our distinguished forum members are you calling an egg?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by mastermind
    I think I agree with the egg.
    Just exactly which one of our distinguished forum members are you calling an egg?
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    Taken as a sincere compliment (as opposed to an ad-hom)
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    aw, pity, it was a simple jesting ad-hom. :/ (just a jest o.o; ) Then again, it sort of doubles. I don't know what it is anymore. Nevermind >.>
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    I'll answer how I did in the other thread - it depends completely on how you define your terms.

    If you define "chicken egg" as "that which is laid by a chicken" then the chicken came first; without a chicken, there can be no chicken eggs.

    if you define "chicken egg" as "that which hatches into a chicken" then the egg came first; there can be no chickens without a chicken egg to hatch into one.

    That's the answer!
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    Well I think it was the egg, each generation produces minor deviations in reproduction - as we all know from the theory of evolution, from this therefore it seem reasonable to assume there was a 'pre-chicken' that laid an egg sufficiently different from it's parent to be labelled a chicken, the first chicken!

    The alternative is of the pre-chicken turning into a chicken after it was an egg, which I think is unlikely - or is it [strains of the twiglet zone playing in the background...]
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    As was already said - any egg containing a chicken would be a 'chicken egg'. So a turtle (by some very strange squence of events) could lay a chicken egg (although, clearly, that is not how it actually happened).

    In conlcusion, the egg came first and out hatched a chicken!
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    Hmm.. everyone seems to agree that it was the egg...
    I think it was a blob of cells that evolved into a chicken, that then breathed, walked, ate and laid eggs.
    But then again, i could be entirely wrong...
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    the chicken came first because what we know as a chicken wouldn't have been at one time, and the process of hatching and other preassures would shape it into the chicken
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    It always was a crap question, something for philosophers to argue about in their rocking chairs..... I think it depends on the time of year, At christmas is would be the chicken, at easter it would clearly be the egg, so you might as well say 'which came first, 'night or day' No religious answers pleeeeze!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    so you might as well say 'which came first, 'night or day'.
    Exactly.
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    both are broad generalizations, and basically impossible to answer without more specific data.
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