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    So i have a few question on my head from a loong time i couldnt find and answers on it and its about thoughts !!!So i heard that human have 50000 average thoughts a day from wake up until sleep so i did some research on the internet and some say thoughts are energy and some same its chemicals and some say its matter so i am really confused about this matter and i need help in finding answers for it here i will post some of the questions here .1: what are thoughts made of ?2: is it an energy as they say in spiritual science and chakra systems ?3:where does it come from and how does it form in the brain ?4: does it get stored in the brain or does it get released?5: if it get released from the body then how ?6: there is homoestasis in everything in biology then how does this apply to thoughts ?This subject is new to me and i couldnt get final answers from spiritual science and philosophies so i hope i can find it in scientific point of view ?


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    Depends on how you look at it.
    It's electro-chemical, but the thought itself is also a process and a pattern.
    You won't get (actual) answers from "spiritual science" since it's not a science. Nor do "chakra systems" have any validity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reno88 View Post
    .1: what are thoughts made of ?
    In simple terms (which is as far as I understand it) they are electrical and chemical signals passing between neurons, a type of cell, that make up our brain. These neurons are interconnected in dense, complex networks.
    2. It involves the expenditure of chemical energy, but has nothing to do with chakras. or the like.
    3. I'm not sure if you are asking where the energy comes from, or where the thoughts come from. If the former, the brain is supplied by the circulation of blood.
    4. You are thinking in terms of "spiritual energy" which is meaningless.
    5. As above
    6. It doesn't apply to thoughts, but to the brain tissue that the thoughts are formed in.

    Is that of any use to you?
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    Those are some really big questions which require more time than I have to attempt an answer but here is a site that may provide some answers to your questions but it does require that you understand your thoughts arise from brain biology rather than spirituality: Le cerveau tous les niveaux
    "And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh" Nietzsche.
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    Thanks all for your replies so i only wants to know if thoughts are not energy themselves or do they uses bodies energy to create in the mind and if its a form of energy then does it get released from the body by heat or does it get build up everyday in the mind and body cells until death coz i always hear never think too much and quiet the mind to achieve health coz thinking too much is bad for the health and causes stress and diseases so i thought maybe its a building of stress and thought energy in the mind everyday without release so maybe thats why otherwise does thoughts keep building in the mind and body everyday without any release ?thats what i really want to know .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reno88 View Post
    Thanks all for your replies so i only wants to know if thoughts are not energy themselves or do they uses bodies energy to create in the mind and if its a form of energy then does it get released from the body by heat or does it get build up everyday in the mind and body cells until death coz i always hear never think too much and quiet the mind to achieve health coz thinking too much is bad for the health and causes stress and diseases so i thought maybe its a building of stress and thought energy in the mind everyday without release so maybe thats why otherwise does thoughts keep building in the mind and body everyday without any release ?thats what i really want to know .
    Why would you think that thinking too much is bad for the health? There is no such thing as 'thought energy' - your brain is supplied energy in the form of glucose from the blood stream. And thoughts dont need a release - you seem to think that they are some sort of physical things that are created by the mind and then build up but thoughts dont physically exist.
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    Ok thanks guys so what about the science behind memories does anyone have knowledge about them ?Thanks.
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    So thoughts arent energy and neither a matter so in the end what is it ?
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    A thought is more like a pattern than an object.
    Anyhow I happened to watch a Ted Talk program by Jeff Hawkins a while ago that might be of interest to you.
    http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_hawkin...ange_computing
    It runs about 20 minutes.
    It was recorded back in 2003.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reno88 View Post
    Ok thanks guys so what about the science behind memories does anyone have knowledge about them ?Thanks.
    Its a huge subject - what sort of thing do you want to know about memories? How they are laid down, how they are retrieved, the different sorts of memory? If you have a play around with the link in post #4 it really will give you some good information and perhaps some ideas to formulate specific questions.
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    Well i want to know also are memories a form of energy or a matter and how such a huge amount of memories gots stored in the mind and brain everyday and build up throughout ones life without a balance of release ?Thanks and excuse my limited knowledge .
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    Well i want to know also are memories a form of energy or a matter and how such a huge amount of memories gots stored in the mind and brain everyday and build up throughout ones life without a balance of release ?Thanks and excuse my limited knowledge .
    Go with dan hunter's idea of thoughts being patterns rather than substances.

    If you think in terms of fractal patterns, it doesn't matter how deeply you go into them, there's always more "room" for more detailed delineation and linkages and paths from one part to another.

    It's a good analogy but it's not perfect. It's just a different way of approaching thinking about the problem, certainly a whole lot better than thinking of more and more, smaller and smaller filing cabinets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reno88 View Post
    Well i want to know also are memories a form of energy or a matter and how such a huge amount of memories gots stored in the mind and brain everyday and build up throughout ones life without a balance of release ?Thanks and excuse my limited knowledge .
    No need to apologise for limited knowledge - we all have to start somewhere. Its just hard to know where to start without knowing what your baseline understanding is. You need to stop thinking about the brain in physical terms - although the brain stores memories its not in the same way that a computer stores memories. Memories exist in the connections made by various neurons and as such they dont really exist until you actually have one.

    As a simple example - say you are cooking breakfast...say bacon and you hear a loud bang that makes you jump and you get a shot of adrenalin through your stomach and your heart races. Certain neurons will be activated that will take a snapshot of the sensations going on inside and outside of your body at that point and will form a kind of circuit that incorporates all those things. The next time you cook bacon it will activate that particular circuit (and many others) and the memory of that bang may pop up in your thoughts. If the bang was loud enough and scary enough the smell of bacon may even be enough to cause a shot of adrenalin and make your heart race.

    Your brain is aware of all sensations all the time ie sights and sounds and sensory stimulation - the sensations that are kept as memories are either the ones that you specifically focus on or the ones that activate your nervous system the most.

    Its probably easier to think of them as specific circuits of neuronal connections but thats most definitely not the whole story - its just a very simplified version to help you get a grasp.
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    Thanx so memories doesnt get build up over the days and years without a form of release , right?because i believe in homeostasis in everything but i am not sure how this works on thoughts ans memories .And i was just worried and concerned if it will build up and cause diseases in mind and body so i only wanted to know on its release method or what can i do to release this excess build up of thoughts and memories from my body .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reno88 View Post
    Thanx so memories doesnt get build up over the days and years without a form of release , right?because i believe in homeostasis in everything but i am not sure how this works on thoughts ans memories .And i was just worried and concerned if it will build up and cause diseases in mind and body so i only wanted to know on its release method or what can i do to release this excess build up of thoughts and memories from my body .
    You are worrying about nothing. The brain uses energy up as it functions, in the same way the processor of your computer uses energy as it performs binary operations. That is why your brain needs such a good blood supply.

    As for memories, people live to the age where they start forgetting faster than they remember, without ill effects, so it is plain that the human brain has ways of dealing with the data storage. (Apart from anything else, we forget a hell of a lot, don't we?) I have read, though I know practically nothing about this, that some scientists think dreaming (whether it is recalled or not) may represent some sort of data processing, filing and discarding in the brain.

    What is for sure, though, is it is a waste of time to worry about any of this as it applies to you. It takes care of itself quite naturally. There is a lot of woo out there, by people who want to create anxieties, in order to make money by assuaging them. Adopt a sceptical cast of mind, like any scientist, and you will not fall prey to this crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reno88 View Post
    Thanx so memories doesnt get build up over the days and years without a form of release , right?because i believe in homeostasis in everything but i am not sure how this works on thoughts ans memories .And i was just worried and concerned if it will build up and cause diseases in mind and body so i only wanted to know on its release method or what can i do to release this excess build up of thoughts and memories from my body .
    You have to get rid of this idea of 'excess build up of thoughts and memories' - its just not happening. You can stuff as much in your brain as you like - it doesnt need a release mechanism and the more you think the better you get at it.

    I can tell you that excess worry does cause illness though - and the way to stop worrying about things is to learn about them - so chill and learn about your brain, your body will thank you for it
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    Thinking 'too much' isn't going to make your brain explode from increased pressure as a result of increased volume of the brain. Memories are currently understood, as the functional connections between neurons (as they are not physically connected, and are divided at the synapse). The brain already has an inbuilt ability and process, that gets rid of excess connections, this is called synaptic pruning.
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    I'm just wondering what you mean by a "build up" of thoughts. Do you mean having too many worries, or trying to absorb too much new information in school? Or are you referring to racing thoughts - thoughts that are moving and changing too fast? Sometimes what's called racing thoughts can be signs of things like bi-polar, although it can also be the result of stress and the hormones associated with it.

    But under normal circumstances, the brain does a pretty good job at screening out excess information and stimuli from the environment, allowing you to focus and think about what you want to, while still alerting you to something unusual or dangerous (like the smell of smoke, because you left something in on the stove while you were posting on the Science Forum, not that anything like has ever happened to me.
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