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    Hello there this my new thread so hold on to your hats so are bodies are always adapting aren't they so I think bacteria and viruses have some intelligence after all they are living things and are bodies are strong so they must Attack socially and be pretty intelligent just not on our scale sure their bodies are simple and they don't have brains but they must think with something I believe more studies should be done on this matter but what do you think?


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    but what do you think?
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    Is English your native language ? If so, do you suffer from dyslexia, or similar problem? Your grammar and spelling make your writing difficult to understand. It does not require intelligence to adapt. Indeed, intelligence does not foster adaptation. Your idea, as far as I am able to understand it, is imaginative, but quite wrong.
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    Well, I am under the understanding that you are asking about the level of intelligence a microorganism possesses, and whether they can achieve higher thinking. The short answer would be "no". But then again, I cannot say that I am totally educated in this topic, so I'll simply tell you my reasoning.

    Microorganisms can be several things: cells (either prokaryotic or eukaryotic), bacteria, viruses, fungi, and others. In order to achieve higher thinking and cognition, you must be able to process quite a bit of information obtained through the outside world, and be able to form connections. With humans, we can do that, because of the neurons in our brains that connect with each other and fire messages back and forth, and can easily store information. However, with organisms that do not necessarily have organs, or rather, organelles, that can process such information, I would think that they cannot do this.
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    Hmm.. Compare it by throwing marbles on the floor, they will be rolling and bouncing around, not because they are smart, but physics guides them there. Bacteria, and our white blood cells are little more complicated than that, but its a better visualisation than calling it intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Hello there this my new thread so hold on to your hats so are bodies are always adapting aren't they so I think bacteria and viruses have some intelligence after all they are living things and are bodies are strong so they must Attack socially and be pretty intelligent just not on our scale sure their bodies are simple and they don't have brains but they must think with something I believe more studies should be done on this matter but what do you think?
    Did you not mention (elsewhere) that "there's evidence on Wikipedia of micro intelligence"?
    Maybe if you could provide a link we could check?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    Bacteria, and our white blood cells are little more complicated than that, but its a better visualisation than calling it intelligence.

    Are you referring to taxes?
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    I think the only significant intelligence displayed by microorganisms is when they group and become colonial.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    I think the only significant intelligence displayed by microorganisms is when they group and become colonial.
    Do micro-organisms 'consciously' group up, or do they simply populate areas most suitable for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    I think the only significant intelligence displayed by microorganisms is when they group and become colonial.

    *Mental picture of bacteria in pith helmets nicking other peoples countries*
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Mental picture of bacteria in pith helmets nicking other peoples countries*
    Now you are just taking the pith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
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    I think the only significant intelligence displayed by microorganisms is when they group and become colonial.
    Do micro-organisms 'consciously' group up, or do they simply populate areas most suitable for them?
    Consciousness is a somewhat loaded term.

    They do far more than just populate area most suitable; some are able to communicate across the colony and change their chemical and growth characteristics for defense from an biotic or abiotic threats, or synchronize their reproduction. They have emergent properties that can probably be defined as a form of intelligence.
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    About as close to "intelligence" in bacteria as you will get is the running of their DNA "software". The "software" that survives the most gets to reproduce the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Consciousness is a somewhat loaded term.
    I wasn't intentionally loading it - but I see what you mean.

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    They do far more than just populate area most suitable; some are able to communicate across the colony and change their chemical and growth characteristics for defense from an biotic or abiotic threats, or synchronize their reproduction. They have emergent properties that can probably be defined as a form of intelligence.
    I think if we allow ourselves to call that kind of behaviour 'intelligence', then we would have to also conclude that plants were intelligent: trees communicate threats to other trees; trees pump toxins into their leaves in response to communicated threats; flowers turn to face the sun; etc.

    Yes, micro-organisms respond to stimuli, but I do not think that responding should be considered 'intelligence'.
    My position is that if there is no brain/nervous system, then how can there be intelligence?
    Without a nervous system/brain: how is 'micro-organisms synchronising their reproduction' any different from 'plants flowering at the same time'?
    It seems to me that their behaviour is no more intelligent than sodium's reaction to water.

    (I am not quite sober - so I hope that makes sense.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
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    Consciousness is a somewhat loaded term.
    I wasn't intentionally loading it - but I see what you mean.

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    They do far more than just populate area most suitable; some are able to communicate across the colony and change their chemical and growth characteristics for defense from an biotic or abiotic threats, or synchronize their reproduction. They have emergent properties that can probably be defined as a form of intelligence.
    I think if we allow ourselves to call that kind of behaviour 'intelligence', then we would have to also conclude that plants were intelligent: trees communicate threats to other trees; trees pump toxins into their leaves in response to communicated threats; flowers turn to face the sun; etc.
    Indeed plants are intelligent.

    My position is that if there is no brain/nervous system, then how can there be intelligence?
    Why does the mechanism of detection and transmission of information, organization modulation, and signaled response matter....at all? Responses to stimuli and ability to communicate with other organisms (or cells, or electronic logic gates (our computers)) towards a specific type or response, seems far more reasonable criteria than some partisan view that puts our particular mechanisms to those same actions as a unique and firm criteria.

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    I also think we'll eventually recognize our own bias and recognize and seriously consider other forms of intelligence across a spectrum, just as we have on numerous other topics such as tool use, bird counting/arithmetic and other topics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Indeed plants are intelligent.

    Why does the mechanism of detection and transmission of information, organization modulation, and signaled response matter....at all? Responses to stimuli and ability to communicate with other organisms (or cells, or electronic logic gates (our computers)) towards a specific type or response, seems far more reasonable criteria than some partisan view that puts our particular mechanisms to those same actions as a unique and firm criteria.
    Well, with such low standards for intelligence, there is little that is not intelligent - including sodium/water (and even politicians).

    But when virtually everything is considered as intelligent, then the word 'intelligent' means almost nothing.

    And if chemicals are considered to be intelligent, then what isn't intelligent?
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    I agree, we should limit intelligence to everything we can not yet create. A computer isn't intelligent. A goldfish however is.. A cockroach is intelligent. Bacteria, fungi, and plants however do not classify my scale as intelligence. Because they use way simpler methods to transfer signals.

    Good scale, everything higher than an ant, is intelligent.. So most politicians won't fit the scale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    And if chemicals are considered to be intelligent, then what isn't intelligent?
    Not sure why you are ignoring the criteria I specified.

    But to the point...all we are is electrical/chemical reactions--it's not the mechanisms that matter, it's the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Not sure why you are ignoring the criteria I specified.
    So, are you saying that reacting to stimuli and communication are required for something to be intelligent?

    I think your requirements for intelligence are so low, that very little couldn't be viewed as intelligent - and I think that is a problem.
    You end up with a definition of 'intelligence' that applies equally to 'being alive' - but being alive is not the same as have intelligence.

    By your definition, every living thing is intelligent - from plants to microbes to fungi - and that definition differs from any accepted definition of 'intelligence'.
    So what we have left if a definition of intelligence which is not only your own personal definition (i.e. made up by you) but also doesn't exclude anything that is living (or even partially living).
    (Personally, I think that if you are having to redefine a word to support your claim, then your claim is probably flawed.)
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    What about colonial "intelligence"? Ant colonies certainly exhibit behavioral traits associated with intelligence. Perhaps there is some confusion between intelligence and consciousness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinM View Post
    What about colonial "intelligence"? Ant colonies certainly exhibit behavioral traits associated with intelligence. Perhaps there is some confusion between intelligence and consciousness?
    I think you are right.

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    Redpanda. At no point during this discussion did I change my definition, nor did I say all living things or individuals exhibit intelligence. If an organism can communicate with another of its kind and that results in a changed behavior across a community of organisms, I think we have to regard it as some form of intelligence regardless of how that communication was made.

    If it helps move the discussion we should perhaps think of the trait "intelligence" as an emergent property as the result of these communications between non intelligent organism that result in behaviors as a group. For example: Not by an individual ant--but by the ant colony; not by an individual bacteria, but by a colony; not by an individual human brain cell, but by the brain (all we really are is a highly organised "colony" of cells with shared DNA (and bacterial/mitocondrial RNA--like ants) anyhow).

    How do you define intelligence--other than what's been suggested so far that it must have a nervious system (which is by itself quite common and excludes for arbitrary reasons a LOT of things that clearly mimic intelligence such as computers, slime molds etc)
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    Hey guys just found a news article new reports find that viruses can tell what cells they have infected . They seem to skip over cells they have already infected think you all would be interested in hearing this and no I can't provide a link ( I told you why) . So just google it ok? You'll find it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Discere et Docere View Post
    Well, I am under the understanding that you are asking about the level of intelligence a microorganism possesses, and whether they can achieve higher thinking. The short answer would be "no". But then again, I cannot say that I am totally educated in this topic, so I'll simply tell you my reasoning. <br>
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    Microorganisms can be several things: cells (either prokaryotic or eukaryotic), bacteria, viruses, fungi, and others. In order to achieve higher thinking and cognition, you must be able to process quite a bit of information obtained through the outside world, and be able to form connections. With humans, we can do that, because of the neurons in our brains that connect with each other and fire messages back and forth, and can easily store information. However, with organisms that do not necessarily have organs, or rather, organelles, that can process such information, I would think that they cannot do this.
    That's not entirely true. Single cell organisms demonstrate chemotaxis, in which they move towards higher concentrations of nutrients, and away from lower concentrations. They also move away from higher concentrations of noxious chemicals. Higher concentrations cause the bacteria to move for a longer period of time in one direction, and lower concentrations cause the bacteria to change direction more frequently.This sounds like a simple stimulus response mechanism, but in order to do that they have to have a way of comparing one measurement with the next, that is, they have to store that information, however briefly. If you google chemotaxis, you can find articles explaining the chemical mechanism. My point, though, is that it is a kind of memory process at the most rudimentary level.

    It may not qualify as "intelligence," but then you'd have to define what that word really means on a biological level.
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    Uh guys did you not see my post? I just proved that they do look at my post right above Daine G
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    So just google it ok? You'll find it .
    I tried Google. Nothing. So, unless you post a link, I will assume you made it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    I just proved that they do look at my post right above Daine G
    You proved that viruses are reading your posts!?
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    No what did you type in google anyway I typed virus intelligence and I found it.
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    I will Ask someone how to link an article alright?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    No what did you type in google anyway I typed virus intelligence and I found it.
    I searched for: viruses can tell what cells they have infected

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    I will Ask someone how to link an article alright?
    Just copy and paste the link.

    This one: Viruses use 'hive intelligence' to focus their attack - health - 21 January 2010 - New Scientist ?

    The trouble is that this use of "intelligence" is just a really poor metaphor or maybe a loose meaning of the word. Also note:

    1. This is New Scientist magazine, a pretty shoddy science tabloid

    2. New Scientist is famous for the "quality" of their headlines ("Einstein was Wrong", "Darwin was Wrong", etc)

    3. The word "intelligence" only appears in the headline of the article. Not in the article itself nor in the paper.

    4. The word intelligence is in "scare quotes" meaning that even NS realise it is an embarrassingly inaccurate headline.

    The abstract of the paper says, in part:
    To explain this phenomenon, we found that newly infected cells express two surface proteins that mark cells as infected and, via exploitation of cellular machinery, induce the repulsion of superinfecting virions away toward uninfected cells. Mechanistically, early expression of proteins A33 and A36 was critical for virion repulsion and rapid spread, and cells expressing these proteins repelled exogenous virions rapidly.
    So it is just a simple repulsion mediated by a chemical present on the cells. No intelligence or even "intelligence" required.
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    Well perhaps it's swarm intelligence that passes though the Colony like when they swap genes or make bio films
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    Or maybe it is just biochemistry.
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    Let's comprise it's simple intelligence fueled by biochemistry. How's that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Let's comprise it's simple intelligence fueled by biochemistry. How's that?
    Unless your definition of intelligence includes automatic reactions to external stimuli, then no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Let's comprise it's simple intelligence fueled by biochemistry. How's that?
    No. It's just biochemistry, as Strange said. Intelligence involves the sort of things mentioned here: Intelligence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    There is nothing to suggest viruses, individually or collectively, display such capabilities. They just respond to chemicals found on the surface of cells. That is biochemistry.
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    Well about extremely simple swarm intelligence by bacteria than
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
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    Example?
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    single celled microorganisms, colonies of bacteria/ fungi/ etc do not poses intelligence.

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    Like the decision required to make a biofilm or swapping genes to create superbugs . Ps bio this is a debate can you please give evidence for your side please instead of just stating blaintly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Like the decision required to make a biofilm or swapping genes to create superbugs . Ps bio this is a debate can you please give evidence for your side please instead of just stating blaintly
    why? there's no need. it's a fact
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    Not Evan simple swarm intelligence ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Not Evan simple swarm intelligence ?
    it's just simple biochemistry
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    Ok but they at least of Insticts to infect right there living so they must correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Ok but they at least of Insticts to infect right there living so they must correct?
    no. dude just read around it before you say stuff; it'll make things so much easier
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    So basically they have nothing no intelligence no Insticts no nothing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Like the decision required to make a biofilm or swapping genes to create superbugs
    Decision? They don't think about it and then decide what to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    So basically they have nothing no intelligence no Insticts no nothing?
    No brain.
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    No brain yes but decision meeting configuring a way to attack the body or what chain to join.Also they may not have a brain but jellyfish don't have a brain and they have Insticts
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    With what? I,m just having a friendly debate you . What's the problem!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    No brain yes but decision meeting configuring a way to attack the body or what chain to join.Also they may not have a brain but jellyfish don't have a brain and they have Insticts
    I'm not sure I was talking about the virus...
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    Thank you strange and bio I like you and I see your point on then having very low intelligence and Insticts but no need to rude inside the forum or anywhere
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    OK. I was talking about the virus.

    But, again, unless you think that water running downhill is intelligent, there is no reason to ascribe intelligence to viruses.
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    I think you guys are missing the point here I'm talking about instinctual intelligence now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    I think you guys are missing the point here I'm talking about instinctual intelligence now.
    Define "instinctual intelligence" please.
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    Insticts or intelligence programmed into an organism
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    there's no such thing

    it's biochemistry, it's the viruses reacting on a chemical level. it's not instinct
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Insticts or intelligence programmed into an organism
    Like an visual basic IF statement.

    IF ...... THEN
    '"instinctual intelligence" placed here.
    .......
    EndIF

    The problem then becomes the IF bit. how does the virus sense an IF situation?

    Chemically sensed as in sugars on the cell wall. In the end we would just say that is how the chemistry (biochemistry) of the virus works.
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    Yes but it's iinsticual for them since they have been doing it so long it's like us pulling our hands away from a hot stove the relation is inticual you guys are overthinking it,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Yes but it's iinsticual for them since they have been doing it so long it's like us pulling our hands away from a hot stove the relation is inticual you guys are overthinking it,
    Is it instinct that makes a metronome tick or a candle burn or a snowflake form? These are (roughly) the same level of intelligence.

    Are you sure you are not underthinking it?
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    What I'm saying is that is t've been doing for so long and it's not like the infection is accidental it must be instinct
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    Read post #60.
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    Post number 60 is wrong that biochemical reaction. Happened in evolution now it's been happening for so long that I has become the lifestyle for many bacteria and viruses there for it is Instict for them to do
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    Another closed-minded idiot for the ignore list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Post number 60 is wrong that biochemical reaction. Happened in evolution now it's been happening for so long that I has become the lifestyle for many bacteria and viruses there for it is Instict for them to do
    And you have actual evidence of this?
    Or are we simply expected to take the unsupported word of a 13 year old over that of someone who actually works in the field of biology?
    You are aware that you're posting on science site, as opposed to a "random wild guess site"?
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    It's a living organism yes it Is by chance it ends up in someone's body but everyone knows that a living organism has to have life functions a basic lifestyle it's not a machine it's alive for example a plants Instinct to take energy from the sun. And how is it a wild Guess they evolved a life style at some point . Also strange how am I a close mined idiot I'm trying to open you a new idea to at least think about I thought this sight was a science site for friendly debates about it not a if There's a new idea I'm going to call you an idiot site, jeez
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    It's a living organism yes it Is by chance it ends up in someone's body but everyone knows that a living organism has to have life functions a basic lifestyle it's not a machine it's alive for example a plants Instinct to take energy from the sun.
    In other words: "No, you don't have a shred of evidence".
    Just wild unsupported claims.
    And a basic ignorance of biology.

    And how is it a wild Guess they evolved a life style at some point . Also strange how am I a close mined idiot I'm trying to open you a new idea to at least think about I thought this sight was a science site for friendly debates about it not a if There's a new idea I'm going to call you an idiot site, jeez
    A "new idea" is worthless if it's unsupported by evidence/ facts, and especially so if if it contradicts known facts.
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    Then what would suit your staderds for evidence then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Then what would suit your staderds for evidence then
    How about peer-reviewed papers that support your claims?
    How about known facts that support your claims?
    How about something more than repeated empty claims?
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    I've told why I can't type up papers and how is what I've told you not facts!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    I've told why I can't type up papers
    Not in this thread (i.e. the one I've read) 1.

    and how is what I've told you not facts!?
    Because what you're claiming isn't true.
    If it's not true it's not a fact.

    1 And what upsets me is that this indicates the existence of some other - equally boneheaded - series of posts by you.
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    Is it not a plants nature to take energy from the sun or certain bacteria and viruses nature to infect cells and what's so boneheaded about my other threads!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Is it not a plants nature to take energy from the sun or certain bacteria and viruses nature to infect cells
    That's what plants/ viruses do.
    What's your point?

    and what's so boneheaded about my other threads!?
    If you had an ounce of comprehension you should have realised there was a direct implication I haven't seen them: ergo I'm assuming it's boneheaded since your posts in this thread are such.
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    That's my point is that is what they are born knowing how to do it it's at least similar to a instinct . Oh and about your assuming about my other posts my dad always says assuming makes an ass out of you and me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    That's my point is that is what they are born knowing how to do it it's at least similar to a instinct.
    It's chemical process (as has been explained to you). It's NOT an "instinct".
    They don't "know" it any more than we "know" how to digest food.

    Oh and about your assuming about my other posts my dad always says assuming makes an ass out of you and me
    Yeah... unless the assumption is correct. I just had a look - I was right.
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    Ok mr big shot what do you think their life style is? And what is (since you looked this time) wrong with my other threads
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Ok mr big shot what do you think their life style is?
    What do you mean by "life style"?

    And what is (since you looked this time) wrong with my other threads
    Much the same as this one: rampant ignorance, a blatant refusal to learn and close-mindedness simply because you "thought of something" 1.

    1 That "something" being unsupported.
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    Dywyddyr if your advice isn't constructive, don't give it at all. And i think you should prove your point by using valid arguments, not by calling others boneheads, no matter what they say.

    Burning virus, you are learning, and you are willing to think ahead, which is good. But you don't know all the facts. If 2 people on this forum say you are wrong, and explain you why, please believe them. They are probably right.
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    Dywyddyr if your advice isn't constructive, don't give it at all.
    Yeah, maybe you missed that...

    and i think you should prove your point by using valid arguments, not by calling others boneheads, no matter what they say.
    ...since you apparently missed the fact that I called his posts boneheaded.

    Burning virus, you are learning
    That's not evidenced by his persistence in claiming it's "instinct".
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    Thank you zwolver but dywydder what I meant was the way live get nutrients every organism has to know that , Also what other threads of mine did you not agree with I would be happy to either fix it or explain to you if you tell me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    what I meant was the way live get nutrients every organism has to know that
    Wrong again.
    They don't KNOW, it's a non-conscious (and non-optional) chemical process.
    Humans don't KNOW how to digest food, we don't KNOW how to process photons into visual images in the brain, we don't KNOW to convert food into body mass: yet all of these happen anyway.

    Also what other threads of mine did you not agree with I would be happy to either fix it or explain to you if you tell me.
    I'm not getting involved in any other threads by you because you've already displayed a refusal to face facts, or behave scientifically, in the one I did look at (and this one, of course).
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    So you like correcting people.. You made mistakes as well.

    I am a human, and i know how i digest my food... And i also know how food converts into body mass. I am aware this was not your point though. I know my body does this unconsciously, and is biochemically engineered by millions years of evolution.

    You have been scientifically ignorant at some point, maybe when you were 10, but still.
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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    I know they don't know it they just do that what both reaction and Instinct are you just do it you don't know it what I am saying is whatever you want to call it it comes naturelly and ps you don't have to engage in a conversation with me about my thread just tell me which it was and what was wrong with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    I know they don't know it they just do that what both reaction and Instinct are you just do it
    One final time: instinct is NOT involved.
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    I did not just say anything to you about Intinct to you I said that they just do what they do and. Like zwolver said we are humans we know how to digest our food!
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    No, burning virus, I know it.. my brain does, the information i learned at school told me how my food digests. My stomack, my intestines, don't have a clue how to digest food. They however can digest food because of the proteins they produce, the muscle reflexes they have. But its not a conscious thing..
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    I did not just say anything to you about Intinct
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    I know they don't know it they just do that what both reaction and Instinct are
    Like zwolver said we are humans we know how to digest our food!
    Zwolver didn't say that. And we don't know how to digest our food.
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    Ok you win they don't have Instict alright !? Just tel, me what other thread you looked at and ps it's just a debate you don't have to add me to ignore list I wasn't planing on doing that to you
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    Yup, what microorganisms have is much more primitive. They have chemical receptors that respond to nutrients.
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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    Oh ok I'm REALLY sorry for auguring if you see dywydder around please tell him that I never meant to be annoying just trying to have a friendly debate
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    like i said before burning virus, there's nothing to debate here. your knowledge regarding this matter is so low that it would be pointless for me to explain the exact process. just take our word for it
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    The kid's 13 years old. There's not much in the way of debate.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexG View Post
    The kid's 13 years old. There's not much in the way of debate.
    my 10 year old brother has a better understanding of microbiology and photosynthesis. even if the op is 13, he shouldn't be this stupid
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    Bio I am not stupid I get complements on how smart I am. All the time I just diidn't nor know their terms of intelligence which I know now is none but other than that I know much about the subjects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning virus View Post
    Bio I am not stupid I get complements on how smart I am. All the time I just diidn't nor know their terms of intelligence which I know now is none but other than that I know much about the subjects.
    Re-read what you write and edit it when it doesn't make sense. Then you will learn something.
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    What I'm trying to say is I'm sorry for bieng stupid but if you really knew me you would know I'm not always stupid
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    Bio I am not stupid I get complements on how smart I am.
    What a smart little tyke.
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